cherryghost wrote: » But doesnt doubling up bus lanes on the quays just cause a funnel of traffic further up the line (unless car owners suddenly completely ditch their commutes along it because of said changes)?
brokenarms wrote: » It is already though. Not many private cars bother going into collage green even off peak. If they stop the taxi going up, there will be war on the streets with the The taxi drivers unions.
LXFlyer wrote: » That will be public transport only. When the LUAS starts I can see some bus routes having to divert via Townsend St and Westland Row. A contra-flow bus lane on South Leinster St would allow them access Kildare St.
daheff wrote: » Yes it does....but it changes dynamics regardless of what you do to the road allocation on the quays. Maybe Dublin bus should change where it places its stops? As per another poster, all the excess lane capacity will then be used up by more buses....how will an additional lane (full of buses) allow buses to pull in/out anymore than a lane of cars (remembering bus drivers push their way in/out as they please -from what I see) Luas cross city will show how badly this has all been planned. All well and good for those on the luas lines, but not so good for those who commute by bus or car. I'm not so sure I see where the extra bus priority solves the problems you mention?? go take a look at Middle Abbey street pre luas time. It was a bustling street. Lots of footfall. DB had buses there which brought business. Now look at it. Its full of closed buildings. College green is going the same way. This point proves that Dublin road planners are anti-car. The whole rhetoric about adding capacity vs road car users is a mute point when they allow taxis the same privileges as cars.
brokenarms wrote: » How are they going to manage the single lane onto dame st from Trinity? Double bus lanes and so on mean nothing if its going to bottle neck up the line. Even in non rush hour its already a mess with traffic cutting in from the Pierce street bus gate, Hawkins street and Dolier street. Traffic cant get across the road to Westmoorland from the bus gate without being pushing hard into the queing traffic. Stress rising moment!! As taxis block all sides while trying to que skip . DCC could at least put a yellow box junction in front of the gate. Or let cycles use the tram line. Taxis are the big problem here already , but adding a tram is going to be grid lock and a disaster for anyone catching a bus after on or after Dame street or Nassau street ..
But doesnt doubling up bus lanes on the quays just cause a funnel of traffic further up the line (unless car owners suddenly completely ditch their commutes along it because of said changes)?
daheff wrote: » This point proves that Dublin road planners are anti-car. The whole rhetoric about adding capacity vs road car users is a mute point when they allow taxis the same privileges as cars.
Avada wrote: » There are automated systems in existence which can capture the licence plates of vehicles illegally stopped in clearways, etc which could also be brought in to stop the bus parking, taxi issue.
bk wrote: » Many cities around the world have a dedicated city police, separate from the national or federal police. They mostly just give out parking tickets, direct traffic and fine this carry on. I wonder if we could do with such a force in the city center, rather then bother the Gardai with it. I know what people will say, traffic wardens, but at the moment there are just too few and their powers don't seem to extend to directing traffic and penalising taxi's etc. perhaps it should. Other option is a full transport police service. Same powers as Gardai, but dedicated to patrolling public transport, Luas, DART, train stations, tram stops and bus lanes like these. Of course some dedicated red light style automated cameras handing out penalty points would change tunes very quickly too, at least for cars sneaking into bus lanes/gates. But wouldn't help with Taxi's, at least not until they are also banned from bus lanes.
brokenarms wrote: » At present the Garda will not do anything. They already have to much to look out for in fairness. What we need in my opinion is a dedicated crew of special police to work on traffic control in the city centre. With a big thick ticket book in their hands. With powers only to work in traffic. And not just for a honeymoon period . Permanent
devnull wrote: » Don't shoot the messenger! But I totally agree with you that we need to clamp down on these kind of things and people on foot and a dedicated group are exactly what we need but I cannot see us getting this anytime soon sadly, even if the opening of a consultation on rickshaws is a positive step forward.
LollipopJimmy wrote: » Traffic Corps don't spend massive amounts of time in the City. They need guys on foot. Cars in loading bays, taxis just sitting and stopping anywhere. In the City you are never more than a few minutes walk to a taxi rank, maybe inside a specific boundary we need to look at taxis only being able to pick up at ranks or by prior booking. Taxis and rickshaws are an absolute scourge on the city centre at the moment with the driver behavior on display.
NuMarvel wrote: » Traffic lights to allow buses in the left hand lanes get into the right hand lane for turning right onto O'Connell Bridge.
devnull wrote: » I agree that they are over-worked and we need a dedictated transport and traffic police more than anything to resolve these things, however at the same time when I've complained about this to the Garda in the past they say they have that and that is what the Traffic Corps are for and they are.
Ciaran_B wrote: » There seemed to be a traffic island under construction at the cafe before the Arlington Hotel that I got stuck at. Anyone how what that's about.
brokenarms wrote: » At present the Garda will not do anything. They already have to much to look out for in fairness. What we need in my opinion is a dedicated crew of special police to work on traffic control in the city centre. With a big thick ticket book in their hands. With powers only to work in traffic.
devnull wrote: » Similar to what I was saying about taxis, anyone who breaks the rules of the road needs to face stiff punishment, too many people are allowed to get away with offences and just being told not to do it again and whilst that is still the case they will carry on doing it. It's a well known fact that the decision to take a risk is based on the chances of getting caught and how severe the punishment might be if they are caught, right now the benefit of taking the risk is far higher than the chance of getting caught and subsequent punishment so whilst that is still the case it will still happen.
Ciaran_B wrote: » I cycled it this morning and had the opposite experience. I felt a lot safer and it seemed like there was a lot more space. I also noticed cars turning left for Jervis St. weren't cutting into the bus lane immediately after Capel St so there was a bit more time to take the lane. There seemed to be a traffic island under construction at the cafe before the Arlington Hotel that I got stuck at. Anyone how what that's about. Totally agree with the point about private buses. The usual suspects in the usual places this morning - Game of Thrones bus etc.
LollipopJimmy wrote: » I cycled it this evening. In its current state it's lethal. There were also 3 private coaches parked along the stretch, adding to the mayhem. Today was a good test with Cork and Waterford fans heading to croke park and for me it failed, buses and taxis weaving everywhere. This obviously needed to be done but the illegal parking of private buses on this quay needs to be addressed. I also got ran into by a deliveroo **** when I stopped at the red but that's for another day
brokenarms wrote: » How are they going to manage the single lane onto dame st from Trinity? Double bus lanes and so on mean nothing if its going to bottle neck up the line. Even in non rush hour its already a mess with traffic cutting in from the Pierce street bus gate, Hawkins street and Dolier street. Traffic cant get across the road to Westmoorland from the bus gate without being pushing hard into the queing traffic. Stress rising moment!! As taxis block all sides while trying to que skip . DCC could at least put a yellow box junction in front of the gate. Or let cycles use the tram line. Taxis are the big problem here already , but adding a tram is going to be grid lock and a disaster for anyone on the catching a bus after on or after Dame street or Nassau street ..
