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do you know any legit ''bad'' people

Robsweezie

id like to think most of us, including the people in my life, are good people who've made bad choices and have have had bad things happen to them,and arent inherently bad. ive often thought when someone has fuucked up or done something seemingly selfish/ unforgivable, id tell myself that they're not bad, they're just stupid and dont know any better. or they didnt intend to do harm.

do you know anyone you would class as a wholly bad person?

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yerwanthere123 wrote: »

I'd classify my mother as a truly bad person with no hope of redemption. Me and my siblings were subjected to much emotional, physical and psychological abuse on an almost daily basis for many years as children. I've been beaten, had food thrown on me, had tins of cat food emptied on my head, told that she "wishes she'd aborted me when she had the chance", and I've been spat on. She's also continually mocked one of her daughters about her autism diagnosis, another for an epilepsy diagnosis, and she's also poked fun at me for having bad hearing. If you tried to call her out on any of this behaviour, she'd say that it simply never happened. So yeah, there's good and bad in everyone, but some people unfortunately really are just truly bad.

I'm sorry that happened to you and your siblings. I hope life is much better now.

Stonedpilot

Knew a boss at a major bank, was a former manager. Right evil SOB. Was washing money for drug gangs and also on coke to the hilt at weekends. Former colleague told me he was big into going to Cambodia back in the day for the young ladies if you catch my drift. Think he's still there, call centre manager now of the place but evil out.

lying, stealing, cheating, typical banker I guess!.

DeltaWhite

About 15 years there was a big gang of us who hung around together in our area and there was a guy in our group, he was a geeky type of guy who was actually nice enough and fairly quiet. Years later I see in the media he's getting locked up for chopping a guy into pieces and putting the body parts in suitcases and then lobbing said suitcases into a river. Still cannot believe to this day that this chap could do such a thing.

FTA69

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/teens-get-six-years-jail-for-sword-and-hatchet-attack-26064233.html

At age 12 I was robbed at knifepoint by one of these charming individuals and his mates and then frogmarched down an alley near Paul's St whereupon some people managed to disturb them before they battered me. The cops later told my old man that on two other occasions they had taken younger boys and severely beaten them after robbing them.

Utter scum.

pilly

FTA69 wrote:

At age 12 I was robbed at knifepoint by one of these charming individuals and his mates and then frogmarched down an alley near Paul's St whereupon some people managed to disturb them before they battered me. The cops later told my old man that on two other occasions they had taken younger boys and severely beaten them after robbing them.

Jesus, what a horrible experience for you.

witchywoman

in my current employment courtesy of a c e scheme I am in daily contact with 2 people convicted of murder against a woman , several armed robbers , numerous drug dealers several people convicted of assault with a deadly weapon . i work alone in a back office and have to record signatures and etc of the above. I have a personal alarm in the event i am attacked . This work pays me 22 euro a week .

Widdershins

There isn't good in everyone. The bad ones know how to pretend they have a good side.

Sometimes I've glimpsed a badness in people over the years and, put it this way, I wouldn't like to live with them.

tomofson

about six years ago I was hit over the head with a plank of wood by a certain individual who earlier this year got a life sentence for stabbing a seventeen year old to death then dumping his body in a field. I would say he is truly bad not only because of what he done to me but what else I have heard of him doing to others.

Foweva Awone

There is an excellent book called "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson, it's well worth a read. It really illustrates the lack of empathy/emotions that makes psychopaths capable of the evil things that some of them do - and also makes you realise that there are plenty of "normal" psychopaths out there, who may never have done anything "wrong" and never will, and who are in fact very successful in life.

I personally have known plenty of people who are mentally ill who have done very evil acts during episodes of schizophrenia or psychosis or mania/depression etc, and I also alcoholics/addicts who have done awful things while they were in active addiction. When you meet them when they're doing well, many will come across as completely caring and normal and decent people. The behaviours may be evil, but that doesn't always necessary mean the person involved is evil.

I can only count on maybe one hand the number of people I've encountered who I'd consider to be truly poisonous and dangerous to society, and who I don't believe will ever be any different. However in all of these cases, the people were horrendously neglected and abused from a very young age. It might explain why they are how they are now, but it doesn't excuse it. And because of the way they are now, society would be safer with them locked away for life, which is very sad when they didn't choose to be a product of their genes/environment. I do believe some (very few) people are too fucked up to ever get better, though.

Widdershins

Foweva Awone wrote: »

There is an excellent book called "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson, it's well worth a read. It really illustrates the lack of empathy/emotions that makes psychopaths capable of the evil things that some of them do - and also makes you realise that there are plenty of "normal" psychopaths out there, who may never have done anything "wrong" and never will, and who are in fact very successful in life.

I personally have known plenty of people who are mentally ill who have done very evil acts during episodes of schizophrenia or psychosis or mania/depression etc, and I also alcoholics/addicts who have done awful things while they were in active addiction. When you meet them when they're doing well, many will come across as completely caring and normal and decent people. The behaviours may be evil, but that doesn't always necessary mean the person involved is evil.

I can only count on maybe one hand the number of people I've encountered who I'd consider to be truly poisonous and dangerous to society, and who I don't believe will ever be any different. However in all of these cases, the people were horrendously neglected and abused from a very young age. It might explain why they are how they are now, but it doesn't excuse it. And because of the way they are now, society would be safer with them locked away for life, which is very sad when they didn't choose to be a product of their genes/environment. I do believe some (very few) people are too fucked up to ever get better, though.

Do psychopaths feel any emotion as a direct result of their evil behaviours or is it more of a matter of feeling remorseless about doing bad things along the way, to gain what they want? I'm under the impression that there's just nothing there (so to speak) where the compassionate area of the brain is (I think it is sometimes noticeable on brain scans), but do they derive amusement from badness?

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Widdershins wrote: »

Do psychopaths feel any emotion as a direct result of their evil behaviours or is it more of a matter of feeling remorseless about doing bad things along the way, to gain what they want? I'm under the impression that there's just nothing there (so to speak) where the compassionate area of the brain is (I think it is sometimes noticeable on brain scans), but do they derive amusement from badness?

The general consensus among the psychiatric community (for what its worth) is that psychopaths are born. Brain scans will show in some cases underdevelopment of the parts that deal with empathy and compassion. They feel no guilt regarding their behaviour, no remorse for whatever it is they do to others. It's not possible for them to form and maintain a meaningful and deep connection with others but they will have no problem in forming a false and empty relationship which ultimately is for their own needs. They have zero understanding of others but can fake it.

Sociopaths are a little different. Instead of being born they are products of their environment. Huge trauma and abuse is often present in the early years. Real relationships are difficult to form but not impossible. A sociopath may find an attachment with similar minded individuals. They are also less likely to appear "normal". Psychopaths are master manipulators and can fool most of us in to thinking they are a regular Joe. They are often found in high powered positions and appear successful. The poor auld sociopath is more obviously disturbed. With them it's all about impulsive and erratic behaviour. Inability to hold down a job, addiction problems, in and out of jail.

I don't think I've ever encountered either type. Yet.

Colser

Where 2 people come together and carry out horrendous murders such as The Moors Murderers and Fred/Rose do you think that they're both as evil as each other or one leads the other on in the crimes?

Wanderer2010

Surprisingly, there is still a misconception out there that a person "couldn't possibly do something like that, they are so...normal, so....boring". Its a dangerous and patently untrue myth. People are capable of the most hideous and incomprehensibly savage acts towards each other. They don't wear a sign that says "Monster", they are more than likely that worker who sits next to you, smiles a good morning as you pass in the corridor and whom you would never in a million years think is capable of anything worse than swatting a fly.

That's the biggest shock about these serial killers etc- when you strip away the sensationalist evil grins and menacing music popularised by the many crime documentaries out there, their banality is absolutely remarkable.

[Deleted User]

Colser wrote: »

Where 2 people come together and carry out horrendous murders such as The Moors Murderers and Fred/Rose do you think that they're both as evil as each other or one leads the other on in the crimes?

I think with the Moors murders both of their confessions was a bit "he made me/she made me". There are some people who can be very easily manipulated by evil. Do you remember that awful case of the Lost Prophets singer? He was able to abuse a child because of the complicity of her mother.

erica74

My brother is a terrible person. Actually, I don't know if he still is as I don't see him anymore, but I don't know if you can ever be good after being so terrible.
He took away every happy memory I ever had of my childhood because he filled my head with terrible memories and there wasn't enough space in my head for it all.
I don't think he can ever be a good person. Maybe he has tried to be good to ease his conscience. Maybe he hasn't tried to be good because he isn't good.
I am so jealous of people who had a childhood, who had a child's mind, who enjoyed seeing the world as a child.

tomofson

erica74 wrote: »

My brother is a terrible person. Actually, I don't know if he still is as I don't see him anymore, but I don't know if you can ever be good after being so terrible.
He took away every happy memory I ever had of my childhood because he filled my head with terrible memories and there wasn't enough space in my head for it all.
I don't think he can ever be a good person. Maybe he has tried to be good to ease his conscience. Maybe he hasn't tried to be good because he isn't good.
I am so jealous of people who had a childhood, who had a child's mind, who enjoyed seeing the world as a child.

Some children are cruel like that but most grow out of it I would imagine.
I have a cousin who was very evil as a child but now as an adult he is just a normal person.

Robsweezie

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

That's the biggest shock about these serial killers etc- when you strip away the sensationalist evil grins and menacing music popularised by the many crime documentaries out there, their banality is absolutely remarkable.[/QUOTE

yeah, jimmy saville went unchallenged for years and managed to take his true nature to his grave. he spent all those years in entertainment as a hero and an icon. shame nobody ever spoke up when he was doing it.

[Deleted User]

erica74 wrote: »

My brother is a terrible person. Actually, I don't know if he still is as I don't see him anymore, but I don't know if you can ever be good after being so terrible.
He took away every happy memory I ever had of my childhood because he filled my head with terrible memories and there wasn't enough space in my head for it all.
I don't think he can ever be a good person. Maybe he has tried to be good to ease his conscience. Maybe he hasn't tried to be good because he isn't good.
I am so jealous of people who had a childhood, who had a child's mind, who enjoyed seeing the world as a child.

Erica you can now make wonderful memories which won't be tainted by badness. You can enjoy the life you have now. Keep looking forward and mind yourself.

Aineoil

When I was is first year in secondary school (1978/1979) we had a talk about make up, deportment etc from Catherine Nevin nee Scully.

I was young and very naive at the time but she scared the life out of me. She was so aggressive. I can remember that day like it was yesterday.

She was totally all about herself, her clothes, her husband etc. She told us she changed her outfits three times a day.

It was the late 70's and to be honest we didn't care about her outfit changes.

erica74

tomofson wrote: »

Some children are cruel like that but most grow out of it I would imagine.
I have a cousin who was very evil as a child but now as an adult he is just a normal person.

I'm not sure you can grow out of sexually abusing your sister and become a good person, can you? That's what I wonder about a lot. Is he good now because he has convinced himself that it is in his past? Is he normal? Can he be normal?

[Deleted User]

People who were in the IRA

bluewizard

Robsweezie wrote: »

do you know anyone you would class as a wholly bad person?

We don't come out. We roam in shadows. We are more common than you think. Some of us suffer and would love to be normal, but can't be helped.

Lock your doors. We wear suits, we are lovely neighbours waiting to snap. We are everywhere. I might live next door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5HkRhq7SCU

endacl

I knew a man named Leroy Brown. You may have heard of him? Baddest man in the whole damn town, by all accounts. Badder than ol' King Kong and meaner than a junkyard dog, iirc.

BuilderPlumber

Deleted User wrote: »

People who were in the IRA

Same here. I know a few people who were in the IRA and did time for it in Portlaoise prison. Plus drug dealers. Cannot judge how 'bad' they are, they are okay to talk to and act normal. Do not know if they were personally violent or not either.

[Deleted User]

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Same here. I know a few people who were in the IRA and did time for it in Portlaoise prison. Plus drug dealers. Cannot judge how 'bad' they are, they are okay to talk to and act normal. Do not know if they were personally violent or not either.

If they were in the IRA they were bad. No shades of grey there.

Wanderer2010

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If they were in the IRA they were bad. No shades of grey there.

Actually, there are plenty of shades of grey there. People joined the IRA in order to compel the British occupying forces to withdraw from the six counties of Northern Ireland and they did so after suffering decades of brutality, prejudice and discrimination across housing, education and every other section of society from the pompous Protestant majority who ruled at the time.
Were there members who joined solely to inflict violence, murder and mayhem on people? No doubt about it, but that applies to the police, nurses, security sectors etc. There are bad apples in every job in the world. Painting every single member of the IRA as inherently "bad" is plain ignorant. Remember, as well, that there are several splinters of the IRA as well so you cant tar them all with the same brush.
The "Stickies", the "Pinheads" the "Real IRA" and the "Continuity IRA" are 4 very different strands of the organisation.

5rtytry56

One such 'legit' bad person I know would make a great 'Foley' artist. She purposely makes locking / unlocking doors sound extra clunky. (I know the term 'Foley artist' really relates to handling guns in movies)

[Deleted User]

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Actually, there are plenty of shades of grey there. People joined the IRA in order to compel the British occupying forces to withdraw from the six counties of Northern Ireland and they did so after suffering decades of brutality, prejudice and discrimination across housing, education and every other section of society from the pompous Protestant majority who ruled at the time.
Were there members who joined solely to inflict violence, murder and mayhem on people? No doubt about it, but that applies to the police, nurses, security sectors etc. There are bad apples in every job in the world. Painting every single member of the IRA as inherently "bad" is plain ignorant. Remember, as well, that there are several splinters of the IRA as well so you cant tar them all with the same brush.
The "Stickies", the "Pinheads" the "Real IRA" and the "Continuity IRA" are 4 very different strands of the organisation.

Willing to blow people apart and control a civilian population by the credible threat of execution for disagreeing with you?

That's evil. But this thread isn't about the ira so don't derail. Just no that they're bad.

tomwaterford

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Willing to blow people apart and control a civilian population by the credible threat of execution for disagreeing with you?

That's evil. But this thread isn't about the ira so don't derail. Just no that they're bad.

They made some great paintings though....so not all bad?

ohnonotgmail

5rtytry56 wrote: »

One such 'legit' bad person I know would make a great 'Foley' artist. She purposely makes locking / unlocking doors sound extra clunky. (I know the term 'Foley artist' really relates to handling guns in movies)

It doesnt. Foley artists create sound effects for tv and movies.