jr86 wrote: » To be honest I'm not getting this Kerry overhyped stuff I think it's a bit of wishful thinking to be honest. They're rated about right overall I feel, the second best side in Ireland at the minute all things said
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » It's not that Kerry are "overhyped" as such it's just that in my opinion the narrative about them has changed dramatically since the league. With the retirements in the winter we were told that Kerry were in transition. That continued through out the league when they lost at home to the likes of Mayo and Monaghan, drew away to Cavan and were somewhat lethargic v Roscommon They finished on the same points as Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal. But then they win the league final by a point and the width of a post, against a Dublin team who had an untypical league, and they are suddenly no longer in transition, they have now arrived And that has continued through a pretty uneventful championship. Mayo had a pretty much similar experience to them in Ennis, and with the obvious exception of the two goal concessions the Mayo v Cork game was going the same way as the Munster final mid way through the second half. They hardly set the world on fire v Galway and James O' Donoughe, who everyone assumed was back to his best was withdrawn with one a single point to his name. We really have yet to see how much they have arrived. And to be fair to the likes of Pat Spillane he has stated that there are more questions to be answered by this Kerry team, and that the league final success should not be seen as the definition of where this team are at. Obviously they are still a good team but the SF whichever way it goes will give us a better idea of their quality.
jr86 wrote: » But the only team to beat Kerry since 2012 is dublin. Who each time went on to win an AI. And bar 2015 they were damn close. So to be fair it was significant for Kerry to beat them in the league final this year in croke park. It's only right it changes the narrative somewhat
Blackjack wrote: » Donegal beat them in 2014.
jr86 wrote: » I said each time dublin beat Kerry they won the AI The year Kerry didn't face them - Kerry won the AI
PARlance wrote: » So, who makes way for Lee if its the case? It was discussed a bit on the Kerry thread a few days ago. It's hard to drop anyone on the basis of the last day. I think it'll be at the expenses of Seamie which isn't the worst of moves as Kerry will probably be bringing on Barry for Maher at some stage and he can counter that.
TCDStudent1 wrote: » I'd be shocked if maher starts above Barry.
SomethingElse wrote: » Are the Bring A Friend tickets all sold out on the season ticket? It's saying no tickets available for me
Shurimgreat wrote: » You had me until the last line. Its a pure contradiction. You want him to run out the field to challenge their kickouts? And what if he misses one? Who is left marking Donaghy? You can't just leave him to his own devices, there has to be a big player near him all the time. It only takes a few seconds for him to do damage as we well know. I'd favour Vaughan to mark Donaghy or else SOS full time marking him. I suggested SOS as a makeshift Full Back in an earlier post but no-one was buying it. That said we need a big strong guy in there who won't be shoved out of the way easily and will at least compete and make it awkward on Donaghy.
PARlance wrote: » Thought so myself but they (a suggested team on the Kerry thread) have him starting. It was Maher Moran vs Cork and Moran Barry against yourselves? Either way, I think Seamie would have to be my pick to drop out and it would suit to bring him on alongside whoever it is.
Kerry_2008 wrote: » It would be madness to have Seamus O'Shea marking Donaghy. It doesnt work and its a waste of a player. Its not just jumping with Donaghy you have to contend with its the way backs into you with his ar*e, and moves you out of the way to get the space he needs. All perfected on a basketball court. Its a proper 'back' that needs to mark him that has some awareness of danger and space around him. Also you need someone without an ego that doesn't think he's going to out field Donaghy. You have to break everything. Nine times out of ten he will get the ball, you are better off to be ready to come down with him and try to swallow him up and stop him getting the pass away. That's where the sweeper comes in. There will have to be someone on the ground waiting the minute the Donaghy comes down to block the pass / movement. Because if Donaghy hits the ground on the inside of his man (that jumped with him) on a one on one its all over. But, you cant not jump with him either as his hand are so quick he can palm the ball off in the air.
km79 wrote: » Maurice Deegan is the ref Cries
seligehgit wrote: » What's the issue with Maurice Deegan's appointment?
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » I don't know either. He missed a black card offence in the opening few minutes of the final replay and subsequently admitted that he did but I can't think of anything else remotely controversial about him. The problem is there are too few really top notch refs to go around, so every appointment will have something that fans will a gripe about. Take Gough for example, Kerry fans have a real gripe about him since 2015, but to the rest of us he is a good ref. Now if it was Cormac Reilly now that would be something to argue about.
seligehgit wrote: » Totally agree Tod,like most referees all teams can have gripes with decisions he and other officials make.He missed a foul on Cillian in the 2012 final down at the Davin end,Small's black card offence and Lee Keegan's erroneous black card but I disagree that he was always going to give the black card.He thought in real time it was a black card.He subsequently admitted he missed Small's offence.I am sure the Dubs could pick a few decisions out.In general these things even themselves out. The standard of referees is not great anyway.I rate David Gough,Joe McQuillan and David Coldrick quite highly,who would be a referee anyway?A virtually impossible job. IMO we need to focus less on the failings or otherwise of referees and such other outside factors for the blame game.It never will change the result,if we're good enough these issues should not come into consideration.
yop wrote: » We've Dublin Joe and now Dublin Gough! The 3 decisions you called out which he missed were game changers though.
jr86 wrote: » The "game changers" were dublin's kick outs vs mayo's kick outs, dublin's superior bench and mayo's cluelessness and lack of movement and intricacy up front as the game entered the melting pot The only time mayo can honestly feel aggrieved by a ref is 2014 b Kerry but even then there was no plan for donaghy and mayo were wiped out in midfield
yop wrote: » So losing Keegan wasn't a game changer? The player who has outscored Connolly in many games, Connolly got a free role after that. Cillian was fouled, Donegal went down the pitch and scored a goal, ya thats a game changer.
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