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Season 7 Episode 3 "The Queen's Justice" - "Book readers"

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letowski wrote: »

I bet my house that Sam will find something important in those books/scrolls he has to copy.

I think Bran will say that R+L=J but that still leaves Jon as a bastard.

I think Sam will find record of a marriage

leggo

I like how this thread is discussing naval strategies in-depth whereas the non-book thread is all about whether it was Cersei's arse or not. Us book readers are nerds. :pac:

CMOTDibbler

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The suddenness was purely from Grey Worm's point of view. He and his troops had been engaged in vicious hand to hand fighting. Once the fighting stopped, he presumably could hear the battle taking place at sea and jumped up on the battlements to look out.

The previous battle was at night. Yara's ships were showing lights, Euron's presumably weren't. At least not until they started lighting up their fireballs.

Also, how do you tell a friendly ship from an enemy in a large fleet at night?

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awec wrote: »

The fate of the sand snakes, I wonder if that's a contrived way of eventually getting Ellaria rescued?

Or do folks reckon that's it for her?

Seemed like a big risk for Cersei to take too, putting the poison on her lips when they have no idea how long it takes to kill each individual person. Kind of unnecessary really.

He knows how long it'll take but it's more panicking for the snakes if THEY think no one knows how long they have

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There's a statement said in the first or second episode in Dany's small council regarding to use a foreign force to take Kings landing and the optics of it with regard to winning the locals over.
Second, the Dothraki are a land-based army and not very good at sea and therefore may have issues with taking out Euron's fleet at sea

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Daith

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The Citadel *is* the best bet but I wonder if Lyanna sent a raven to Winterfell too? Was Luwin there at that time?

podgemonster

Daith wrote: »

The Citadel *is* the best bet but I wonder if Lyanna sent a raven to Winterfell too? Was Luwin there at that time?

He delivered all the stark children and Robb and Jon are the same age.
He was there.

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podgemonster

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You're right, Robb was born at Riverrun.

Daith

podgemonster wrote: »

He delivered all the stark children and Robb and Jon are the same age.
He was there.

Thought that but wanted to make sure. I still think it'll be in the papers Sam has to copy.

I do think that Lyanna might have sent a raven to Winterfell if she thought Ned wouldn't be able to find her. Luwin making a copy of that message though, probably not, unless he sent it to the Citadel?

lazybones32

mewso wrote: »

I understand Bran is now 'beyond' emotion. That is my issue. The cliche that is "getting magic power thingy makes you emotionally stunted"tm.

Don't think it is the powers that is causing him to be aloof but rather he understands the gravity and seriousness of him having to be ready, without a teacher, to be the 3e.r. He said he can't be the lord of anything and assuming he survives the winter, he will still live in exile in a tree. Now, i think he could have explained things better to sansa but assuming he has expanded knowledge, he probably chose his words.

rawn

Daith wrote:

Thought that but wanted to make sure. I still think it'll be in the papers Sam has to copy.

Why does it have to be about Jon though? Since Sam was asking about white walkers i assumed that the scrolls will contain records of them?

bnt

I work in tech support, so I was particularly amused by Sam's account of how he cured Ser Jorah: "I read the book and I followed the instructions". That's a rare skill he has there - and I'm not being sarcastic. :pac:

Dyr

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

The suddenness was purely from Grey Worm's point of view. He and his troops had been engaged in vicious hand to hand fighting. Once the fighting stopped, he presumably could hear the battle taking place at sea and jumped up on the battlements to look out.

The previous battle was at night. Yara's ships were showing lights, Euron's presumably weren't. At least not until they started lighting up their fireballs.

Also, how do you tell a friendly ship from an enemy in a large fleet at night?

Don't rationalize it, it's horse **** for dramatic effect, you don't go sailing around in large fleets without scouts. You don't put the flagship on the outside of a fleet

The answer for the all the battle silliness in this thing is "because drama". Fair enough, it's happy to trade being credible so the viewers can go OMGZ!!! but lets not pretend its anything else

CMOTDibbler

Bambi wrote: »

Don't rationalize it, it's horse **** for dramatic effect, you don't go sailing around in large fleets without scouts. You don't put the flagship on the outside of a fleet

The answer for the all the battle silliness in this thing is "because drama". Fair enough, it's happy to trade being credible so the viewers can go OMGZ!!! but lets not pretend its anything else

Sorry, didn't realise it was a rant. My bad. :pac:

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CMOTDibbler

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Surely for the speculation thread?

Daith

rawn wrote: »

Why does it have to be about Jon though? Since Sam was asking about white walkers i assumed that the scrolls will contain records of them?

Yes but might it talk about some prophecy about who can defeat them, a Stark/Targaryen maybe?

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Didn't one of the teaser trailers - before the season started - appear to show Dothraki and Lannisters in combat on open land (i.e. not in Highgarden or Casterly Rock)

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Baggly

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Jeez leave out the sark will you.

Its a stretch to say the speculation you posted here was connected to the conversation between Jon and Tyrion.

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Dyr

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Sorry, didn't realise it was a rant. My bad. :pac:

It's not a rant if I was going to rant I'd point out that kings landing sits in Blackwater Bay and Dragonstone controls the mouth of Blackwater Bay but somehow Euron has sailed the Spanish armada in past it without anyone noticing, then sailed back out without anyone noticing, crept up on queen Blondie's navy and beat the **** out of them without anyone noticing, sailed back into Blackwater Bay without anyone noticing and then sailed out again without anyone noticing and shadowed the fleet of cockless wonders without them noticing, Snuck up on them while they were sacking Casterly Rock and took their ships out, when he could have just wiped them all out on the ocean thus killing all the cockless wonders and keeping Casterly Rock.

And all that while avoiding three dragons who have a certifiable track record of turning naval fleets in viking pyers?

That's some level 70 cloak of invisibility **** combined with serious fast travel skills

And no one asks if Dragonstone and Kings Landing are right beside each other then why are both these groups of tactical geniuses warping around a ****ing continent dividing their armies, instead of getting it ****ing on in Blackwater Bay?

Thats a rant matey

mewso

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Or as the excellent Mrbtongue says in his review of the episode he could have brought a few witnesses with him to testify to their existence had he, you know, planned his trip.

That review makes a great point about Euron. I'm ok with some dodgy timelines etc. but what he has just done is frankly incredible. Presumably Tyrion sent the two fleets of ships at the same time. One to Dorne and one to Casterly Rock. Euron destroyed one fleet, went back to Kings Landing, had a lovely parade then sailed for Casterly Rock to destory the second fleet just as they had taken the castle. Did it take 6 months for them to take the emptied Casterly Rock?

CMOTDibbler

Bambi wrote: »

It's not a rant if I was going to rant I'd point out that kings landing sits in Blackwater Bay and Dragonstone controls the mouth of Blackwater Bay but somehow Euron has sailed the Spanish armada in past it without anyone noticing,

Ehh, he got there first. Matey. :pac:

Beginning of episode one. Euron arrives. Cersei speaks of Targaryen armada on its way to Dragonstone. End of episode, said armada arrives at Dragonstone.

And for the rest, sailing at night ftw.

Baggly

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So you won't be leaving out the sark then.

CMOTDibbler

mewso wrote: »

Or as the excellent Mrbtongue says in his review of the episode he could have brought a few witnesses with him to testify to their existence had he, you know, planned his trip.

That review makes a great point about Euron. I'm ok with some dodgy timelines etc. but what he has just done is frankly incredible. Presumably Tyrion sent the two fleets of ships at the same time. One to Dorne and one to Casterly Rock. Euron destroyed one fleet, went back to Kings Landing, had a lovely parade then sailed for Casterly Rock to destory the second fleet just as they had taken the castle. Did it take 6 months for them to take the emptied Casterly Rock?

Do we know Euron is definitely with that fleet? Could it not have been sent on from somehwere off Dorne while Euron sailed back to KL?

Or could the attack on Yara's fleet not have happened just outside Blackwater Bay? That would only have given the unsullied fleet a few days head start. Said few days taken up by offloading troops and setting up to attack Casterly Rock.