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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match
The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 4.

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wonderfullife

weldoninhio wrote: »

Floyds ex is not very happy with McGregor using her domestic violence as a prop in the build up.

That's so strange because Conor deliberately didn't mention it.

The CJ Watson jersey wasn't about domestic violence at all. It was poking at Floyd's ego reminding him that this tall basketball player CJ Watson was off shagging his missus.

Floyd has the biggest (and most fragile) ego in all of sports in my opinion, and a bit of a Napoleon-complex, so it's not a bad idea to attack his ego.

Alf Veedersane

Gintonious wrote: »

A bit of reading shows he does have a world record.

That amount of reps would leave you in a ball.

I know that. On both counts...well, I can imagine the latter.

Still doesn't mean he has the foggiest on rowing technique, for example.

I haven't seen the ugly benching that was mentioned so it's possible that it was the last few reps of a high rep set that saw arse and heels off the floor rather than just being wrong from the start. If that was t he case, I wouldn't be overly worried but he should still be cutting it a rep short of when he starts to struggle to complete them properly.

Frank Bullitt

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yes to both.

A bit of reading shows he does have a world record.

His official Guinness World Record announcement reads:

“The greatest weight dead lifted in one hour is 68,210 kg (150,377 lb 5 oz) by Julian Dalby at the Raw Condition Gym in Dublin, Ireland, on 3 June 2012. Julian performed 109 reps of 50kg; 27 reps of 40 kg and 2056 of 30 kg.”

That amount of reps would leave you in a ball.

Alf Veedersane

Gintonious wrote: »

He was a cyclist? He is a doctor though, right?

Yes to both.

Frank Bullitt

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Julian Dalby isn't a national champion at weightlifting or powerlifting.

He's strong but he's neither of those. Nor a gym instructor.

He was a cyclist? He is a doctor though, right?

weldoninhio

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Don't think he mentioned it outright but last weekend when he was wearing the jersey of the basketball player she was texting when Floyd flew in a rage and beat her. So he was more than alluding to it.

Edit: Outlaw Pete got there first.

He was tweeting about it too. Asking CJ Watson to give him a call.

And as above, was wearing the jersey. When Draymon Green (who wears that number now) tweeted him saying that he was supporting Mayweather, McGregor told him it was CJ Watson's jersey.

Alf Veedersane

wonderfullife wrote: »

It wasn't just the rowing technique and that's worrying. If you look at his bench press, he was lifting his bum and feet off the floor to try get the final reps, not only are you risking a lower-back-injury, you're also not using your core properly.

I dunno. Stuff like that really worries me because there's only really 3 explanations:

1. His coaching team don't know proper weight lifting techniques and proper rowing techniques and are simply allowing him to row and lift like a donkey.

2. His team do know the proper techniques but are afraid to correct Conor on them because they are yes-men who don't want to tell him he's doing it arse-ways.

3. They have informed him and he a) doesn't listen to them or b) is incapable of executing basic techniques.

Given the fact Julian Dalby is a national champion weight-lifter, you'd have to be leaning towards options 2 or 3, neither of which are good.

Look, I know he's not trying to be a rower or weight-lifter but for a professional athlete he should at least be trying to use proper techniques and not injure himself. Any instructor worth their salt in any local gym wouldn't tolerate a novice continuing to lift and row arseways.

Julian Dalby isn't a national champion at weightlifting or powerlifting.

He's strong but he's neither of those. Nor a gym instructor.

kwestfan08

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

when did he mention it? Thought he made a point not to

Don't think he mentioned it outright but last weekend when he was wearing the jersey of the basketball player she was texting when Floyd flew in a rage and beat her. So he was more than alluding to it.

Edit: Outlaw Pete got there first.

Useful.Idiot

ohhh yes of course

Outlaw Pete

He wore the shirt of the guy Mayweather's ex was supposed to have had an affair with (which was apparently the catalyst for the assault which saw him having to do time).

Useful.Idiot

when did he mention it? Thought he made a point not to

Outlaw Pete

Bingo! as far as Conor will be concerned... as no doubt if she's moaning about it publicly, he'll be getting the ear chewed off him about it privately.

weldoninhio

Floyds ex is not very happy with McGregor using her domestic violence as a prop in the build up.

"The stunt demonstrates not only an insensitivity toward the emotional well-being and privacy of the victim of Mayweather’s dom. violence, but also a general disregard for the physical and emotional trauma and long-lasting psychological impacts suffered by victims of dom. abuse," Harris' attorney, Dan Friedlander, said.

"On behalf of Josie Harris, her and Mayweather’s three children, and all victims of domestic violence, we ask that Conor McGregor refrain from capitalising off of the trauma suffered by her and other victims of domestic abuse."

Inviere

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, that's exactly it.

I think another element is that McGregor's team are more akin to hired help than teammates. So they feel like they have to follow him around 24/7 because he is paying for their time.

With most fighters their teammates will come and help them prepare for a fight, accompany them during fight week etc. Then the roles will be reversed and they'll repay the favour for their teammates fights.

Conor doesn't seem to like doing this, it's rare that you'll see him accompany a teammate during fight week, be in their corner, etc. He prefers to just pay them for his camp and then he doesn't owe them one back. I suppose it's one of the perks of success although im not sure it's good for team moral

In all fairness, neither you, or anybody else here, have the first clue as to the dynamics of Conor's team or camp.

[Deleted User]

Lukker- wrote: »

It's the whole entourage thing. Watch any vid of Floyd training and he has about 30 people around him doing the same

Yeah, that's exactly it.

I think another element is that McGregor's team are more akin to hired help than teammates. So they feel like they have to follow him around 24/7 because he is paying for their time.

With most fighters their teammates will come and help them prepare for a fight, accompany them during fight week etc. Then the roles will be reversed and they'll repay the favour for their teammates fights.

Conor doesn't seem to like doing this, it's rare that you'll see him accompany a teammate during fight week, be in their corner, etc. He prefers to just pay them for his camp and then he doesn't owe them one back. I suppose it's one of the perks of success although im not sure it's good for team morale.

Gintonious wrote: »

Loma would dance rings around Conor (literally) if they sparred/fought.

That would be a terrible, terrible, terrible idea for McGregor.

Agreed, a really bad idea.

Frank Bullitt

.ak wrote: »

Vasyl Lomachenko at one stage was offering his services. He'd be a brilliant option for sparring, because he's awkward as fook. If Conor could land on him, he should be able to land on FM.

Loma would dance rings around Conor (literally) if they sparred/fought.

That would be a terrible, terrible, terrible idea for McGregor.

Lukker-

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought the same. I know they are all needed at various points during the day..some guys for sparring, some for massage etc. I don't know why they are all hanging around watching him row. Same problem Paulie highlighted, too many chiefs.

It's the whole entourage thing. Watch any vid of Floyd training and he has about 30 people around him doing the same

[Deleted User]

cloudatlas wrote: »

What I don't understand is why 8 people have to stand around gawping at him while he works out.

I thought the same. I know they are all needed at various points during the day..some guys for sparring, some for massage etc. I don't know why they are all hanging around watching him row. Same problem Paulie highlighted, too many chiefs.

cloudatlas

wonderfullife wrote: »

It wasn't just the rowing technique and that's worrying. If you look at his bench press, he was lifting his bum and feet off the floor to try get the final reps, not only are you risking a lower-back-injury, you're also not using your core properly.

In his defence the damper is on high so depending on how hard they are pushing him and at what stage his form is bound to go at some point.

What I don't understand is why 8 people have to stand around gawping at him while he works out.

Fall_Guy

wonderfullife wrote: »

HattrickNZ wrote: »

nicely put wonder.
Now I am wondering is this just part of the propaganda, but I don't believe that to be the case. Would be interested to see what jk (or even ido - who is very strong on technique) has to say on the matter. I am not expert on these techniques.
Good point re options 2 and 3. But given Conor is meant to be the perfectionist(or I am led to believe) I find this hard to believe.
is fatigue a possibility for poor technique? But he probably is not fatigued all the time in the shots.

I'm far from a weight-lifting expert but I have at times in my life had a gym instructor and I know I'm not supposed to lift my feet and bum for a bench press.

Fatigue is 100% a factor, but if you're struggling to get the last few reps done then either the weight is too heavy or you're not engaging your core properly... he'd surely be better to either lift a lower weight or do less reps.

I'm sure there's guys who lift on here who could tell you better but I just found it strange. Conor is by no means the only MMA guy with dreadful lifting techniques - Tony Ferguson had that viral video where he could have broken his back doing crazy lifts, Sage Northcutt likewise doing cheat-curls, even Jon Jones had sloppy technique on some crazy deadlifts.

I dunno. Whatever about the weights, his rowing technique is clearly horrendous and easy to fix. Conor is all about efficiency of movement so it's weird that he's training so inefficiently.

Then that makes me think... if they're training inefficiently on a rower and on a weights bench... what's to say they're not doing the same inside the ring? Taking 5 steps to cut an angle when 4 steps would do?

I'm probably being a bit harsh but if I had spare money I wouldn't be rushing off to enroll in his FAST Program when seemingly the guys behind it can't even get Conor to row properly.

It'd be like trying to sell a BBQ and putting out a video of you burning burgers to a crisp on it while fiddling around trying to turn it off i.e. you should be competent at the thing you're selling.

I suppose it depends on the purpose of the specific workout those clips are from....if this was a "red zone" session to use the FAST money-making system's lingo, I would imagine you wouldn't succeed in working the body hard enough / get heart rate to desired level if you stopped the exercise as soon as perfect form started to slip. Judging from the clips it appears that the aim of these exercises was to get McGregor to absolutely empty the tank and exert himself to the max for a specific length of time....if that's the case, then he doesn't really have a choice than to push through and keep going regardless of form....he can't say "oh, the form is gone, let's stop if there" as it would defeat the whole point of the exercise....

If you've ever done a HIIT workout you have probably experienced your form going out the window as you gut out the last few reps / watch the last few seconds disappear on the clock.....but the important thing is to keep going until the rest period nonetheless!

Now I could be wrong, and maybe McGregor's technique is poor even when he is fresh, but I'd guess he's more likely just trying to gut it out until he reaches the finish line!

wonderfullife

HattrickNZ wrote: »

nicely put wonder.
Now I am wondering is this just part of the propaganda, but I don't believe that to be the case. Would be interested to see what jk (or even ido - who is very strong on technique) has to say on the matter. I am not expert on these techniques.
Good point re options 2 and 3. But given Conor is meant to be the perfectionist(or I am led to believe) I find this hard to believe.
is fatigue a possibility for poor technique? But he probably is not fatigued all the time in the shots.

I'm far from a weight-lifting expert but I have at times in my life had a gym instructor and I know I'm not supposed to lift my feet and bum for a bench press.

Fatigue is 100% a factor, but if you're struggling to get the last few reps done then either the weight is too heavy or you're not engaging your core properly... he'd surely be better to either lift a lower weight or do less reps.

I'm sure there's guys who lift on here who could tell you better but I just found it strange. Conor is by no means the only MMA guy with dreadful lifting techniques - Tony Ferguson had that viral video where he could have broken his back doing crazy lifts, Sage Northcutt likewise doing cheat-curls, even Jon Jones had sloppy technique on some crazy deadlifts.

I dunno. Whatever about the weights, his rowing technique is clearly horrendous and easy to fix. Conor is all about efficiency of movement so it's weird that he's training so inefficiently.

Then that makes me think... if they're training inefficiently on a rower and on a weights bench... what's to say they're not doing the same inside the ring? Taking 5 steps to cut an angle when 4 steps would do?

I'm probably being a bit harsh but if I had spare money I wouldn't be rushing off to enroll in his FAST Program when seemingly the guys behind it can't even get Conor to row properly.

It'd be like trying to sell a BBQ and putting out a video of you burning burgers to a crisp on it while fiddling around trying to turn it off i.e. you should be competent at the thing you're selling.

HattrickNZ

nicely put wonder.
Now I am wondering is this just part of the propaganda, but I don't believe that to be the case. Would be interested to see what jk (or even ido - who is very strong on technique) has to say on the matter. I am not expert on these techniques.
Good point re options 2 and 3. But given Conor is meant to be the perfectionist(or I am led to believe) I find this hard to believe.
is fatigue a possibility for poor technique? But he probably is not fatigued all the time in the shots.

wonderfullife

Just to add to the above, Virgil Hunter (famous boxing trainer) was saying the biggest issue he sees with Conor is that he has "the waist of a model and a weak core" and he will, I'm paraphrasing here, be butchered to the body by Floyd.

Posting videos where he can't make bench press reps without lifting his arse and feet off the ground doesn't do a whole lot to undermine that analysis. Unless they're playing 54th dimensional chess and releasing them on purpose to make him look weak... :rolleyes: ahem...

Anyway, hopefully he won't injure himself but it's a pretty bad look for the UFC Performance Institute. They *literally* have full-time strength & conditioning and cardio experts on-site available to all UFC fighters yet the star of the company is putting out videos making them look like a bunch of clowns.

wonderfullife

Muahahaha wrote: »

Always worth the time to improve technique. Rowing machines are a great way of improving cardio but if you dont get the technique right then you miss out on the full benefits.

It wasn't just the rowing technique and that's worrying. If you look at his bench press, he was lifting his bum and feet off the floor to try get the final reps, not only are you risking a lower-back-injury, you're also not using your core properly.

I dunno. Stuff like that really worries me because there's only really 3 explanations:

1. His coaching team don't know proper weight lifting techniques and proper rowing techniques and are simply allowing him to row and lift like a donkey.

2. His team do know the proper techniques but are afraid to correct Conor on them because they are yes-men who don't want to tell him he's doing it arse-ways.

3. They have informed him and he a) doesn't listen to them or b) is incapable of executing basic techniques.

Given the fact Julian Dalby is a national champion weight-lifter, you'd have to be leaning towards options 2 or 3, neither of which are good.

Look, I know he's not trying to be a rower or weight-lifter but for a professional athlete he should at least be trying to use proper techniques and not injure himself. Any instructor worth their salt in any local gym wouldn't tolerate a novice continuing to lift and row arseways.

While I'm at it, he doesn't use bicycle clips or a helmet when cycling. Going into a $600 million revenue fight and cycles around with no helmet and doesn't even have his feet clipped in? He's supposed to be selling the Conor McGregor Fast System, showing the world this cardio system and he's putting out videos where he can't row properly, doesn't lift properly and doesn't wear a helmet?

His head isn't indestructible, if he falls and hits his head off concrete, concrete will win.

SMH.

Outlaw Pete

Audio interview with Paulie from yesterday.

If that link doesn't work, just scroll down to Wednesday's show on this page.

Muahahaha

Always worth the time to improve technique. Rowing machines are a great way of improving cardio but if you dont get the technique right then you miss out on the full benefits.

HattrickNZ

good point re rowing. Would he get a better workout with the right technique? Or is it not worth the time to try and improve it? He is also tired in them rowing vids so maybe he loses some of his technique.

wonderfullife

I wish someone would teach Conor how to use a rowing machine.

It's annoying me. So much wasted movement and energy inefficiency.

Should always have your seat/bum stationary at full recline. Conor does be half way on the way back at full recline.

I'm borderline astonished they're allowing this to continue. All the state of the art equipment in the UFC Performance Institute and nobody to teach him how to use the machine?

Anyway on the off-chance Conor is a lurker here's how it should be done by the World Record holder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjH3inybxSQ

hewhoscares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSBiLR-UJg

Footage of one of John Kavanaghs fights. First time I've seen any of his MMA fights online.

.ak

Vasyl Lomachenko at one stage was offering his services. He'd be a brilliant option for sparring, because he's awkward as fook. If Conor could land on him, he should be able to land on FM.