beno619 wrote: » Your a decent poster so you shouldn't need to resort to condescending ****e and inventing arguments. I'm glad you thought his performances last year were up to scratch.
bangkok wrote: » veratti and iniesta are poor offensively..
Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: » Really???
posturingpat wrote: » Whatever about week in week out but when on his game Iniesta is still creatively the best player in the world bar the little genius. He should go down as one of the top 4 or 5 players of our generation.
clubberlang12 wrote: » First of all, i am a massive fan of Iniesta over his playing career, but is this not what the Pogba debate is loosely about? His consistancy last season, be it big games or regular matches? Yet it's okay to say that when Iniesta is on his best form, he is creatively the best in the world? For me , when Pogba is on form, and he has been showing it towards the end of the season and in games for France and United over the summer(albeit friendlies), he has looked immense and very few players can do what he does. Why the double standards? I'd far rather Pogba in our team than any of our rivals!!
bangkok wrote: » Just like to say, it was my opinion that Pogba was the best all around midfielder in the world as he can do things no one else can. Yes kante is better defensively that him and there is probably a better attacking midfielder than him but overall, at what he does he is the best imo. Someone said veratti and iniesta are better than him, well if pogba being poor defensively is a negative on pogba then both veratti and iniesta are poor offensively. I personally wouldnt swap pogba for any other midfielder in world football right now.
TheDoc wrote: » Also in terms of Pogba in the big games, that's totally unfair critique and is basically people succumbing I feel to expecting more then whats realistic, based on his price tag and hype. Looking at the way Jose set the team up in those games last season, it's totally disingenuous to critique Pogba's performances in those games. That is expecting him to carry the team and win a game on his own, which is a mantle reserved for Messi and Ronaldo, who don't even always do it either. I don't know how anyone could expect big performances from Pogba when we are playing six at the back in those games. I think he tried his best in those games, breaking from deep or trying to fire passes into Pogba, but then no one was in support. So no surprise he felt he needed to do it by himself, when hes picking the ball up outside our box with one person ahead of him. Coupled with him being run into the ground. We can expect more from Pogba if the manager believes more in the team in the big games, otherwise I'm sorry to say we should be judging Pogba fairly in those games. I don't remember any massive critique on Hererra? I remember him getting compliments on his defensive work, his man mark job on Hazard (Bit overblown by the way, a man mark job is a relatively simple task) but no real critique on his ability to thread the attack of contribute anything to the attack. Where as in some big games under Van Gaal he was setting the tempo in midfield and being a little warhorse in there. So I'd feel strongly in defending Pogba's performances in the big games. I wouldn't label it all the same, as I see some posts from varying people on that topic in the last few pages, and people I know understand the game or can see whats happening in a specific scenario, but doesn't make sense to critique Pogba in those performances. There was literally some games where the tactic was to just get Rashford in via the channels and exploiting his pace, basically bypassing our midfield.
Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: » Personally i would put it down to Iniesta having won everything in the game, consistently performing at a world class level for the majority of his career and having a telling impact on games when it mattered most. Yes he's easing down now, so is never going to be at that standard again, but people remember what he's done. Pogba on the other hand has shown flashes here and there, but flattered to deceive in the Euros and in a lot of Uniteds big games last season. Im on his side btw, I think he will turn into what we all hope he will, but thats why I think people have doubts.
DARK-KNIGHT wrote: » Iniesta has been part of the best team of players ever assembled imo. he had the frteedom to roam as all players around him were absolutely class and in a much poorer league quality wise. if pogba was in that barca team he would be awesome
Jayop wrote: » You're willing to ignore any other type of argument so that's what it leads to. You've been told 7 big games that he played well in and you ignored them all.
posturingpat wrote: » This nonsense about premier league being a superior league is a myth that needs to be debunked.
Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: » The polar opposite views here are as wrong as each other. The truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle.
bangkok wrote: » neymar storms out of training...http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/transfer-window/watch-neymar-storms-out-of-barcelona-training-after-bustup-to-spark-fresh-transfer-speculation-35976783.html
Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: » Awful against Bournemouth but I agree his contribution overall hasnt been appreciated properly
Giggsy11 wrote: » He was very good against Bournemouth, his overall performance was rated badly as he missed 2 good chances at the end of the game. Check out his game vs them. Created 2 very good chances for Mata and Zlatan, won penalty, won free kick near the box, some good long passing, superb shot from distance (which keeper made a very good save) and barely gave away ball (only once when he dwelled on the ball)
Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: » Cant say I agree. Did well early on in the game when Bournemouth were all over the place. As the game wore on and we desperately needed a goal he fell apart if I recall, esp towards the end. Forcing long through balls time and time again when they were never on, ignoring the simple pass again and again. I could be wrong, but thats my recollection. We threw it away and he was a key culprit
astradave wrote: » https://instagram.com/p/BXDvAlvDaOV/ Pogba wrote a comment "Agent P on duty" :pac:
beno619 wrote: » And ive listed a number of games were he was muck which your also willing to ignore so im not sure what your point is. We have differing opinions which were well aware of so no there's no point in supporting ****eposts.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » When people say Pogba is not the complete Midfielder it does not mean people don't rate him very high. He was average enough last season, but I'm confident enough we will see a much better player this one. But to say he played well in 90% or so games last year is crazy opinion.
