Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

If Jon Jones had chosen boxing there is no reason to think he couldn't do the same as you suggest for Floyd.

And actually on that point if McGregor had focused entirely on boxing who knows what he could have achieved in the sport. McGregor has shown himself to be absolutely dedicated and determined to be the best at what he does.

Yes, but I do feel that Conor likely doesn't get to a world boxing level. I would much more favor Floyd getting to a world level in MMA....

ScumLord wrote: »

Because being able to throw a punch becomes redundant if you can't stop the other guy taking you to the ground. An MMA fighter doesn't need to even be within punching range to hurt you because of kicks.

A boxer can learn to defend a kick and throw one himself. And to take someone down an MMA fighter has to get close enough for a boxer to throw a punch. It's all it's buts and maybes.

I disagree that it would be easier for a MMA fighter to win a boxing match but I dont think it would necessarily be easier for a boxer to win a MMA fight, really depends on the individuals.

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but I do feel that Conor likely doesn't get to a world boxing level. I would much more favor Floyd getting to a world level in MMA....

You might feel that but it's not based on anything. Conor chose MMA and has gotten to the top, that in itself is an incredible achievement that shouldnt be belittled or overlooked.

IMO it's likely he could be successful at boxing had he trained in it specifically. McGregor is a good all round athlete so he is more suited to MMA but there is nothing to say he wouldn't have become a terrific world class boxer if that was what he focused on.

ThinkProgress

ScumLord wrote: »

I guess anything's possible, but most UFC fighters come from specialising in one discipline like boxing, or wrestling, of karate. They have a lifetime of fighting experience behind them like Ronda Rousey and Holy Homes had. Your not going to train to be a black belt in Jujitsu in one or two years and if you're going up against other black belts (which many of them have to be these days) you're screwed as soon as you hit the floor.

Floyd wouldn't really need to be a black belt in BJJ to become a champion though... he would just need to be decent at it. (Just like Conor)

A Floyd in his prime with 4 or 5 years of training would stand a good chance.

I personally don't think he would need that long... 1 or 2 years maybe. (closer to 2 perhaps)

He was a great athlete. This would play a big part in the speed of his development.

They've had a number of olympians in MMA, wrestlers don't really have much of a career once they've won their medals and left school, so there's been a few world class wrestlers. In Europe we don't tend to hear about all the other martial arts out there, we only hear and care about boxing. Many MMA fighters are champions in other martial arts.

Some people actually believe, that part of the motivation behind the creation of the UFC (and Crossfit too btw)... was to create a legitimate sporting career for top wrestlers to compete in after their amatuer careers were over.

Wrestlers are revered in the US... but unlike other top high school and collegiate athletes, they don't really have top pro leagues to join after their schooling ends. (just an interesting side-note there)

I don't really view top wrestlers, or martial arts champs, as being great athletes... they tend to be lacking in terms of all-round athleticism. You can see this in the UFC... athletic attributes often come second to skill development in those disciplines!

After they start competing in MMA, many do work on improving their all-round athleticism... but imo they don't really compare very well with the levels in other sports. (boxing for example, contains far more elite level athletes)

MMA fighters are full time, they fight regularly. Boxers can take breaks and train for 6 months leading up to a fight. I'd say MMA fighters are much tougher than boxers, they take more abuse in their sport,

That's debatable tbf... boxers are some of the greatest athletes in the world.

Tougher doesn't mean they are better anyway. Talent generally beats toughness!!

But I certainly do know where you are coming from. MMA fighters do take some serious punishment. But boxers are no pushovers either. They are both fighters at heart... they have that warrior mentality, regardless of which skills they use!

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

You might feel that but it's not based on anything. Conor chose MMA and has gotten to the top, that in itself is an incredible achievement that shouldnt be belittled or overlooked.

IMO it's likely he could be successful at boxing had he trained in it specifically. McGregor is a good all round athlete so he is more suited to MMA but there is nothing to say he wouldn't have become a terrific world class boxer if that was what he focused on.

Nobody is belittling his MMA achievements,.

But to get to the top in boxing requires that specialist talent/skill, as well as the intangibles.

I can only judge Conor's MMA action to make a call on "would he have made it at boxing had he stayed with it?"

Looking at his make up and his frame and his mechanics etc, and his MMA action and boxing sparring clips I reckon he does not make it to a quality pro boxing level.

Also, one has to consider his boxing career as an amateur. He didn't make it near the top...

I think it's more than reasonable to say no, he does not make it to a decent pro level....

Take Phil Sutcliffe Junior....fellow team mate of Conor. Stuck it out and is still there, and had more boxer talent than Conor when they were in Crumlin....

Phil won't make it close to the top as a pro boxer...

ScumLord

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

A boxer can learn to defend a kick and throw one himself. And to take someone down an MMA fighter has to get close enough for a boxer to throw a punch. It's all it's buts and maybes.

The problem is you have to use a different style of boxing in MMA that takes into account take downs and kicks, every time they throw a punch they leave themselves open to a takedown or kick. It's a different kettle of fish altogether, if you're not good at kicking while avoiding the takedown you might as well not throw them at all.

MMA is very complex compared to boxing, there are benefits and drawbacks to every move that can serious consequences for getting it wrong. A normal boxing stance just wouldn't be effective in MMA, they'd have to relearn boxing to take those differences into account.

Most MMA fighters that are good strikers in MMA are able to strike because they're so good at the other disciplines, striking puts on a better show and is more likely to earn fight of the night so MMA fighters want to strike but they have to be really good at wrestling and jujitsu to get away with it.

Farmer_3650

Is the fight not going to be boxing rules? There will be no kicking

Farmer_3650 wrote: »

Is the fight not going to be boxing rules? There will be no kicking

Welcome aboard!

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I said, he will hang up the gloves some time in the near future... I never put a number on how many fights he will have, because who could reliably predict such a thing?

Perhaps, as a fanboy, the idea of Conor retiring fills you with dread... what will you do with all you spare time when he's gone?? You'll have to find a new person to idolize... Or you might have to contemplate the stark reality of not living vicariously through a celebrity you don't even know... and actually go out, and live your own life... and chase down your own dreams!!

So I'll take that as a no to the bet because you're an absolute clown who makes declarative statements then runs away from them screaming 'fanboy' and making personal attacks when challenged.

You said that this fight is a cashgrab and that Conor will be walking away into the sunset with his money shortly afterwards.

Put up or shut up. If you're so confident he will retire soon, then take the bet, otherwise you're yet another "know it all" who knows absolutely nothing.

As for my life, you seem very interested in it, bit creepy.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Its a boxing match under boxing rules, McGregor is fighting a very talented boxer with a proven track record and McGregor is yet to show that he is even a slightly talented boxer with no track record in boxing. Do you see any potential problems with that.

Yes, the potential problems are Conor gets KO'd unconscious or beaten up until the towel is thrown. It's possible but Floyd hasn't hurt anybody anytime recently.

He faces those exact same pitfalls in MMA.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

its that comment that drives the mcGregor fans nuts though, they think that he is equal to Floyd and that it will be a sporting contest.

You don't have to be an equal to an opponent to make it a sporting contest.

You can be vastly inferior to an opponent and still find a way to make it competitive and even win. There's examples of overmatched teams and individuals upsetting the odds in every sport.

I'll throw out Lincoln City v Burnley, Lincoln were 5 divisions below Burnley (premier league) and not one of their players would get into the Burnley squad, yet still beat them in a one-off game.

ThinkProgress wrote: »

And then, hopefully Canelo vs GGG steps in to save the day a few weeks later with a great fight... and everyone gets a reminder of what a REAL sporting contest looks like...

I can dream, right? Real sports fans need some kind of hope to cling onto.... :pac:

Oh like the 'real sports fans' were so excited about Canelo-Chavez Jr.? Absolute joke of a "fight". At least Conor is going to throw punches.

Canelo v GGG really *should* be an exciting, close contest but it could transpire to be awful also. I've many times got hyped for Leinster v Munster, Man Utd v Man City, Woodley v Thompson 2, whatever sport, fighting or otherwise, expecting it to be awesome and it ends in a dud fight, dud match.

Judge how exciting the fight was after the fight not on paper.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

That should be an epic fight, its a shame it wont sell even a quarter of what this farce is going to do.

Should be...

As above. It could suck too. It won't sell even 1/6th of Mayweather-McGregor because GGG is anonymous outside the hardcore boxing community. You could show his mugshot to any random 100 people in America and they wouldn't have a clue who he is.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

So you agree McGregor is not anywhere near Floyd's equal and this really wont be a sporting contest. Your giving him a 1% chance.

He's nowhere near Floyd's equal at boxing.

This will be a sporting contest.

Conor is outmatched in pure boxing skills so he has to employ a gameplan to make it competitive and try win.

Sweet Science wrote: »

This isnt going to go down well with certain folk . A pro boxer has a better chance in a MMA fight than vice versa.

I will enjoy coming back to your nonsense August 27th.

normanoffside wrote: »

46 year old over the hill boxer Ray Mercer knocked out Tom Sylvia in the octagon in 10 seconds.
2 years previous Silvia was UFC HW champ.

Saying the boxer has 0% chance in MMA is wrong

Eh, that fight was booked as a pure boxing contest until the actual day of the promotion when the Commission refused to sanction the fight, so they said ok we'll put in the cage.

Mercer said afterward Tim Sylvia led him to believe he would not take him down and would stand and kick-box with him, after all Mercer already had an 0-2 record in kickboxing. True enough, Sylvia didn't go for a double-leg takedown he stood up with him.

Kimbo Slice (RIP) had already choked out Mercer in an amateur contest and Mercer refused to fight in MMA with takedowns after that.

If Anthony Joshua gets in the Octagon with Stipe Miocic (champ) he has about 5 seconds to land a perfect shot to KO him, otherwise he's on his back being beaten unconscious. On the flip side, Stipe Miocic in a boxing ring probably has 4 or 5 rounds to find the perfect shot to KO AJ.

Anyway we will have more evidence soon because Jimi Manuwa seems confident the UFC are going to let him fight David Haye in boxing at the O2 Arena in early 2018.

Maravilla33

Can go back and forwards here on boxers in MMA and MMAers in boxing and how they would fare. The key here is McGregor isn't just fighting a boxer. He's fighting a top 10 ATG boxer. That is a serious jump in levels. So it is not whether McG is talented, athletic, skilled, clever enough to pick up enough to win a boxing match. It's can he do enough to beat an ATG. Off course he cant.

Maravilla33

wonderfullife wrote: »

If Anthony Joshua gets in the Octagon with Stipe Miocic (champ) he has about 5 seconds to land a perfect shot to KO him, otherwise he's on his back being beaten unconscious. On the flip side, Stipe Miocic in a boxing ring probably has 4 or 5 rounds to find the perfect shot to KO AJ.

Ha you are deluded if you think Miocic goes 4-5 rounds in a boxing ring with AJ.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Conor is outmatched in pure boxing skills so he has to employ a gameplan to make it competitive and try win.

So you think Conor can win this boxing match?

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

So you think Conor can win this boxing match?

I originally felt Floyd would win via 9th round TKO but my thoughts changed after careful consideration.

I don't think Conor can win this boxing match.

I think he will win.

ScumLord

Maravilla33 wrote: »

It's can he do enough to beat an ATG. Off course he cant.

All the odds are in Mayweather's favour, we all expect Mayweather to win. But I think conor can put up a good fight, he'll be something completely alien to what Floyd is used to. I'm interested to see how that affects the fight.

I think Conor is going to be a tougher opponent than people give him credit for.

I think there's more than an outside chance he'll put on a good fight, but I do think Conor needs to end the fight quick because the longer it goes on the easier it will be for Floyd to win. So I expect a flurry of activity in the early rounds and if Floyds still standing by the fourth Conors notorious lack of stamina will probably lose him the fight as Floyd picks him apart.

I have no idea what's going to happen, every time I thought Conor would be challenged he's just made it look easier, so at this stage I'm not going to say one way or the other what's going to happen.

Sweet Science

wonderfullife wrote: »

I originally felt Floyd would win via 9th round TKO but my thoughts changed after careful consideration.

I don't think Conor can win this boxing match.

I think he will win.

Wow

Its a religion . He has people brainwashed

wonderfullife wrote: »

I originally felt Floyd would win via 9th round TKO but my thoughts changed after careful consideration.

I don't think Conor can win this boxing match.

I think he will win.

Great how much are you willing to bet on it.

Lets say €1,000

maximoose

wonderfullife wrote: »

Anyway we will have more evidence soon because Jimi Manuwa seems confident the UFC are going to let him fight David Haye in boxing at the O2 Arena in early 2018.

I hope this is a joke

wonder, you really need to keep your knickers on....you are getting far too wound up with complete strangers on the internet.

wonderfullife wrote: »

If Anthony Joshua gets in the Octagon with Stipe Miocic (champ) he has about 5 seconds to land a perfect shot to KO him, otherwise he's on his back being beaten unconscious. On the flip side, Stipe Miocic in a boxing ring probably has 4 or 5 rounds to find the perfect shot to KO AJ.

Absolute tripe.........

Joshua KOs Stipe within one rd max...

Or Stipe KOs him....(quite unlikely)

4-5 rds? Where do you pull this nonsense from?

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Great how much are you willing to bet on it.

Lets say €1,000

The bet I challenged ThinkProgress to was 500 euro that Conor is still fighting in 2020 because he seemed so certain this fight is a cashgrab with Conor retiring thereafter. I fundamentally disagree and think he'll still be fighting at 32/33. That gave us both 3 years to save up for it. I made a point of saying that.

If I did have money to bet currently I'd put it on at the odds that the bookies are offering which are:

16/1 Conor to be dropped and still win.
16/1 Conor to win in Rounds 3 or 4.

Those are the 2 I'd be interested in.

walshb wrote: »

wonder, you really need to keep your knickers on....you are getting far too wound up with complete strangers on the internet.

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Perhaps, as a fanboy, the idea of Conor retiring fills you with dread... what will you do with all you spare time when he's gone?? You'll have to find a new person to idolize... Or you might have to contemplate the stark reality of not living vicariously through a celebrity you don't even know... and actually go out, and live your own life... and chase down your own dreams!!

Yeah well if the complete strangers aka arseholes like Weldoninho and ThinkProgress stopped attacking me personally and incessantly I wouldn't get wound up.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yeah well if the complete strangers aka arseholes like Weldoninho and ThinkProgress stopped attacking me personally and incessantly I wouldn't get wound up.

Fair enough. I haven't read all that they have posted, but I thought it was all just healthy and strong debate.

wonder,

Prime Tyson vs Stipe in boxing?

How long does the contest last?

houlihand

dont like mayweather but i do hope he wins

Maravilla33

walshb wrote: »

wonder,

Prime Tyson vs Stipe in boxing?

How long does the contest last?

Could change that to Tyson now and the result is similar.

Ash.J.Williams

walshb wrote: »

wonder,

Prime Tyson vs Stipe in boxing?

How long does the contest last?

Michael stipe would murder tyson

Maravilla33 wrote: »

Could change that to Tyson now and the result is similar.

I was thinking the same thing...

Outlaw Pete

ThinkProgress wrote: »

....... the boxing world... it's just far too specialised.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Exactly....normal people can't see!