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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yeah, quite clearly.

Here, let me spoon feed you............. when Eddie Alvarez (the UFC fighter) said something positive about Conor's chances, he was sarcastically referred to as 'the salmon of knowledge' and so when someone posted Jon Jones (another UFC fighter) saying something negative about Conor's chances.... I then sarcastically referred to him as being 'the salmon of knowledge'.

Get it?

Like I said, some of ye are half asleep.

But sure if you want to pretend I was dismissive of Jon Jones' opinion (when I myself only give McGregor a slim chance in the fight) and then back slap each other's posts like happy seals.... work away.

Sarcasm of sarcasm excellent work.

Half asleep or don't read this thread as vociferously as your good self?

You're a McGregor fan who ,from the posts I have seen, thinks he has a genuine chance in the fight so why do you say he has a slim chance?

Sweet Science

Even Conor isnt taking this farce serious

Still sparring his MMA mate Artem

Talk about being in for a shock come August 26th

walshb

Sweet Science wrote: »

Even Conor isnt taking this farce serious

Still sparring his MMA mate Artem

Talk about being in for a shock come August 26th

You mean you don't buy into the belief that Conor, and some of his team have utter confidence that they win?

Who needs top quality sparring with a left hand like his?

Floyd is fcuked!

Sweet Science

I didnt buy into it for one second . However i would at least of thought he would prepare properly and take it serious

I thought they would try their best to hide the fact its a cash grab

But they havent and still people refuse to accept it.

Mellor

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Mighty mouse 5th all time?? Not for me... who of note has he actually fought?

No Dom Cruz?? :eek:

What about someone like Sean Sherk? Deserves a mention... 5ft 6in, yet fought as high as welterweight. Only lost 4 of his total 41 MMA fights... (looks even more impressive when you consider the only guys to beat him, were Hughes, GSP, BJ and Edgar... all UFC champs - at least 3 of them guaranteed hall of famers)

I never mentioned Mighty Mouse. I said I would have Royce anywhere in the top 10.

As you asked, Mighty mouse as beat absolutely everyone in his division. Holds the record for most defences. He can only beat fighters that exist. Not his fault there aren't a string of hall of famers at 125. He's a perfect example of why P4P is meaningless though. No way to compare 125 and 170 really.

Sean Shrek, was short by 170lbs standards today. But, the steroids were obviously a huge help. He lost to those 4 hall of famers, but he doesn't get too much credit for fight he lost. The guys he beat weren't nearly as good. Kayo, Diaz, Florian spring to mind, and a whole load of journeymen in random backwater organisations. Not top 10 imo, AINEC

MojoRisinnnn

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The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Sweet Science wrote: »

I didnt buy into it for one second . However i would at least of thought he would prepare properly and take it serious

I thought they would try their best to hide the fact its a cash grab

But they havent and still people refuse to accept it.

Does anyone really refuse to accept it?

I'm sure even the most ardent McGregor fanboy knows this is nothing more than a cashgrab by both.

Right time right place.

McGregor makes €75m something he could never do in the UFC and Mayweather makes €250m+

walshb

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Does anyone really refuse to accept it?

I'm sure even the most ardent McGregor fanboy knows this is nothing more than a cashgrab by both.

Right time right place.

McGregor makes €75m something he could never do in the UFC and Mayweather makes €250m+

Have you been reading some of the comments here and on the MMA forum?

God forbid you claim-believe that Conor knows well he hasn't a prayer!

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

walshb wrote: »

Have you been reading some of the comments here and on the MMA forum?

God forbid you claim-believe that Conor knows well he hasn't a prayer!

But they are surely just wind up merchants trying to get at boxing fans on this thread?

walshb

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

But they are surely just wind up merchants trying to get at boxing fans on this thread?

Some are wind up merchants, but some are so serious that you would think they had climbed into Conor's head to come up with this belief...

ThinkProgress

walshb wrote: »

I think you give him more than a slim chance, and because folks here question that or diminish this chance (via argument and logic) to very very very slim, it irks you.

I don't want to drag this up, but when you are so sure Jon Jones beats Mayweather in boxing based purely off him being bigger, well, it kind of says a lot about your views on the sport of boxing and its amazing and precise skillset. You are quite dismissive, and you aren't hiding it too well.

I have been thinking about this... not just regarding 'pistol pete' and 'wonder(fan)boy' on this forum... but just regarding the legions of moronic MMA fans, that are crawling out of the woodwork in general, around this "fight"...

It seems to me, that many of these fans are looking to build the boxing fraternity up as some kind of opponent that needs to be defeated and taught a lesson... and I think the reason for this, is quite simple: They know that the actual fight itself, is pretty much a foregone conclusion... so the only way they can get excited about this thing, is to make it MMA vs Boxing... But in reality, it's not MMA vs Boxing... it's just Floyd vs Conor!!

The idea that this is some clash of rival sports, is frankly ridiculous... but that's how many fans are approaching it. Despite the fact, that Boxing is (and always will be) a fundamental and essential skill within MMA!! Possibly even the most important skill within MMA...

Mellor wrote: »

I never mentioned Mighty Mouse. I said I would have Royce anywhere in the top 10.

As you asked, Mighty mouse as beat absolutely everyone in his division. Holds the record for most defences. He can only beat fighters that exist. Not his fault there aren't a string of hall of famers at 125. He's a perfect example of why P4P is meaningless though. No way to compare 125 and 170 really.

Sean Shrek, was short by 170lbs standards today. But, the steroids were obviously a huge help. He lost to those 4 hall of famers, but he doesn't get too much credit for fight he lost. The guys he beat weren't nearly as good. Kayo, Diaz, Florian spring to mind, and a whole load of journeymen in random backwater organisations. Not top 10 imo, AINEC

Yes, I know you didn't mention any other names... I was just using your post, as a convenient platform to make my own critique of that list. (:D)

It's a well known fact, that the UFC have considered scrapping that whole 125lb division on several occasions... this is because of the lack of quality down there. Lack of star names, but also lack of genuine quality too!

Mighty mouse is a very good fighter... but I personally thought it was quite revealing, how he reacted to the proposed dillashaw fight. He didn't want to touch that fight, with a 10ft barge pole... hmmm I wonder why that might be???

Could it be, that he is quite happy beating mediocre opposition??

Regarding Sherk... firstly, everybody is on the juice... (and I mean EVERYBODY). Some get caught, others don't... but if you're at or near the top of the UFC, you're using PEDs. That's my opinion... many will disagree. But that's my stance, and so I don't particularly use failed drug tests as any kind of eliminating criteria for analysing the best fighters!

He fought all of those guys in their prime, and I personally thought he was just a shade below them... I think his overall MMA career was very impressive, perhaps his UFC career was not long enough to be considered. But he should probably be in the conversation regarding overall MMA careers - I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan said something similar on one of his podcasts... he considers Sherk to be very underrated by most people!

But that brings up a big problem with making a top ten UFC list... because it's only quite recently that the UFC has risen way ahead of the other promotions in popularity... there has always been top fighters spread out in other promotions. (Faber was recently inducted into the UFC HOF... based almost entirely on his WEC performances, for example)

wonderfullife

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I'm sure Conor gets a buzz from fighting... but he is no fool either... unlike some of his fanboys. He will make his pot of gold, and then walk away from cage fighting, as a young millionaire while he is still healthy!!

But he will hang up the gloves... in the very near future... If you believe anything else, again read what I said above.

You talk some amount of waffle and say it with such certainty.

I will bet you 500 euro that Conor has at least 4 more fights in the UFC and/or is still fighting (in any combat sport) in the year 2020.

If you're so certain, take the bet. We both have 3 years to save up the money to pay the loser.

Sweet Science wrote: »

I didnt buy into it for one second . However i would at least of thought he would prepare properly and take it serious

I thought they would try their best to hide the fact its a cash grab

But they havent and still people refuse to accept it.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Does anyone really refuse to accept it?

I'm sure even the most ardent McGregor fanboy knows this is nothing more than a cashgrab by both.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

But they are surely just wind up merchants trying to get at boxing fans on this thread?

You are both delusional if you don't think Conor believes he will win this fight.

Andre Ward is on record as saying his main sparring partner for the Chad Dawson fight was Nate Diaz - a mixed martial artist.

You wouldn't accuse Ward of not taking the fight seriously based on his sparring partner.

As for Artem, he's been stepping in for 2 rounds at the end of every 2nd session. The likes of Tiernan Bradley and Dashon Johnson are in there going 6, 8 and 10 rounds. By the time the camp is over Conor will have sparred over 100 rounds with Tiernan and Dashon and less than 30 with Artem.

Conor 100% believes he will win this fight and your obsession with putting this fight down is laughable. For lads who think it's a farce you sure like to talk about the fight.

StringerBell

Chad Dawson, long rangy southpaw, Nate Diaz long rangy southpaw who is durable as ****....... Id imagine they are very close actually in terms of height/reach and Nate comes from Richard Perez Boxing.

normanoffside

wonderfullife wrote: »

As for Artem, he's been stepping in for 2 rounds at the end of every 2nd session. The likes of Tiernan Bradley and Dashon Johnson are in there going 6, 8 and 10 rounds. By the time the camp is over Conor will have sparred over 100 rounds with Tiernan and Dashon and less than 30 with Artem.

Conor 100% believes he will win this fight and your obsession with putting this fight down is laughable. For lads who think it's a farce you sure like to talk about the fight.

Bradley is not even at national amateur level
Johnson is 22-21-3 as a pro.

Hardly top level sparring partners tbf....

Guffy

What is the possibility that this fight will be fixed. There is always the chance going into it that mayweather will get caught with a hay maker and his legacy would be tarnished finishing 49-1. Any chance they're like ya sound conor, loads of money but take a dive.

walshb

If both free to fight committed then Conor has two options..

1. Fight hard and take a sound beating
2. Take a dive and save himself a sound beating, or a sustained sound beating.

Nobody has to know he dived but him..

And who would blame him if he was getting dominated and humiliated...

Frank Bullitt

wonderfullife wrote: »

You talk some amount of waffle and say it with such certainty.

I will bet you 500 euro that Conor has at least 4 more fights in the UFC and/or is still fighting (in any combat sport) in the year 2020.

If you're so certain, take the bet. We both have 3 years to save up the money to pay the loser.

You are both delusional if you don't think Conor believes he will win this fight.

Andre Ward is on record as saying his main sparring partner for the Chad Dawson fight was Nate Diaz - a mixed martial artist.

You wouldn't accuse Ward of not taking the fight seriously based on his sparring partner.

As for Artem, he's been stepping in for 2 rounds at the end of every 2nd session. The likes of Tiernan Bradley and Dashon Johnson are in there going 6, 8 and 10 rounds. By the time the camp is over Conor will have sparred over 100 rounds with Tiernan and Dashon and less than 30 with Artem.

Conor 100% believes he will win this fight and your obsession with putting this fight down is laughable. For lads who think it's a farce you sure like to talk about the fight.

Not be be pedantic, but Ward said this about Diaz.

"Nick is more, 'hit me with your best shot, and I'm coming with my best shot.' Nate's a little bit more of a skillful volume puncher, different angles and stuff like that. He was one of my main guys when I fought Chad Dawson."

He was one of, not the only. He didn't just have Diaz and no one else, he of course had other pro boxers in there as well.

He also followed up with this.

"Those guys got great stand up and they'd be able to compete... I don't know how far they'd go in the pro ranks, but those guys could compete in boxing."

And as someone pointed out, physically he matched up to Dawson quite well in therms of physique.

I also don't think I need to point out the difference between when Ward fought Dawson and McGregor fighting Mayweather either.

Ward was/is a pro boxer etc

Eyes Down Field

Which bet do ye like the best lads?

Mayweather inside 3 rounds 7/1
Mayweather inside 4 rounds 5/1
Mayweather inside 6 rounds 5/2

hbhook

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

Which bet do ye like the best lads?

Mayweather inside 3 rounds 7/1
Mayweather inside 4 rounds 5/1
Mayweather inside 6 rounds 5/2

I'm going with B.

Eyes Down Field

Paddy Power also have a Gone in 60 second bet at 33/1. Which while possible, It very risky. I like the 3 rounds although adding in round 4 is tempting

wonderfullife

StringerBell wrote: »

Chad Dawson, long rangy southpaw, Nate Diaz long rangy southpaw who is durable as ****....... Id imagine they are very close actually in terms of height/reach and Nate comes from Richard Perez Boxing.

Right but Nate isn't a boxer (regardless of his measurables) and Artem is extremely durable as well.

Conor's literally only using him for rounds 11/12 every 2nd session, probably because if the fight does go that long, he'll be looking to clinch up more often and Artem would be strong enough to make it hard work for him.

normanoffside wrote: »

Bradley is not even at national amateur level
Johnson is 22-21-3 as a pro.

Hardly top level sparring partners tbf....

Malignaggi is a pretty good boxer.

Being realistic what do you want Conor to do? Spend a fortune to try bring in Kell Brook, Amir Khan, Shawn Porter... whoever...from day 1?

Surely it makes sense for Conor to try his gameplan out on lower level competition before escalating it? Malignaggi was certainly a step-up in pedigree and apparently Conor has a few new sparring partners arriving this week (according to Paulie).

If you swim the butterfly and are trying out the breaststroke, it probably makes sense not to compete against Adam Peaty from day 1 in practice.

Gintonious wrote: »

He was one of, not the only. He didn't just have Diaz and no one else, he of course had other pro boxers in there as well.

Artem is just one of, too.

If it was just Conor and Artem sparring then fair enough that'd be mental but I don't see the big deal in putting Artem in for the last couple of rounds in sparring every other session.

everlast75

Conor trains with boxer - people here "that's mental - he can't learn boxing in a couple of months!!!!"

Conor trains with MMA fighter - people here "what's he training with someone like that for? He needs to learn to box properly!!!!"

normanoffside

wonderfullife wrote: »

Malignaggi is a pretty good boxer.

Being realistic what do you want Conor to do? Spend a fortune to try bring in Kell Brook, Amir Khan, Shawn Porter... whoever...from day 1?

Surely it makes sense for Conor to try his gameplan out on lower level competition before escalating it? Malignaggi was certainly a step-up in pedigree and apparently Conor has a few new sparring partners arriving this week (according to Paulie).

If you swim the butterfly and are trying out the breaststroke, it probably makes sense not to compete against Adam Peaty from day 1 in practice

Malignaggi was a good boxer. He is long past his best, retired and about 2 stone over weight.

As for what he can afford- is he not earning $100m+? If he was serious about this he could afford anyone he wants.

He would need high level sparring a lot more than Floyd if he plans not to be completely out of his depth on fight night.

I think, like Floyd, he knows this is all just a circus and they are both going through the motions.

kippy

everlast75 wrote: »

Conor trains with boxer - people here "that's mental - he can't learn boxing in a couple of months!!!!"

Conor trains with MMA fighter - people here "what's he training with someone like that for? He needs to learn to box properly!!!!"

I think people over estimate how difficult it is to 'learn' boxing. Its not exactly rocket science especially when the person learning it already knows the basics and is a physically fit person.

Eyes Down Field

everlast75 wrote:

Conor trains with boxer - people here "that's mental - he can't learn boxing in a couple of months!!!!"

everlast75 wrote:

Conor trains with MMA fighter - people here "what's he training with someone like that for? He needs to learn to box properly!!!!"

He should just focus on endurance and stamina training. Boxing training is useless because we all know he can't actually box against Floyd Mayweather, Even if he spent every waking moment sparing, It's still just a drop in the ocean compared to a man who has been doing this all his life.

UFC training won't help him against Floyd either. If anything it makes him more likely to lift a knee or foot instinctively and get himself disqualified.

StringerBell

everlast75 wrote: »

Conor trains with boxer - people here "that's mental - he can't learn boxing in a couple of months!!!!"

Who said that? Who said it was mental for him to train with a boxer?

Conor trains with MMA fighter - people here "what's he training with someone like that for? He needs to learn to box properly!!!!"

Again, who actually said that?

You are creating a strawman for no reason whatsoever.

It is certainly not mental for him to spar with a boxer, it is also understandable for him to use someone he is familiar with who is already in his team and knows his methods well at the same time.

There has never been anything wrong with balance has there?

Again, the strawman is pointless.

StringerBell

kippy wrote: »

I think people over estimate how difficult it is to 'learn' boxing. Its not exactly rocket science especially when the person learning it already knows the basics and is a physically fit person.

I think you are underestimating how difficult it is to get to world class level in boxing.

Simply learning to box is not going to be enough to beat anybody who has been boxing a long time let alone justifying a sanctioned professional bout against a guy who is 49-0 and a veteran of numerous world title fights.

He is never going to develop his boxing ability enough to be able to share a ring convincingly with the likes of Mayweather at this point, he should be fo

Burial.

I have a read of this thread every few days. With each day there are more and more candidates for most idiotic post of the year. I hate seeing the term branded about, but so many cases of YDKSAB.

hbhook

What's Mc like with cuts? Was reading Virgil Hunter's thoughts the other day. He reckons cuts may be a problem. In the same thread someone said team McG turned down a great cut man called Jacob 'Stitch' Duran as he priced himself out apparently...

Outlaw Pete

Burial. wrote: »

With each day there are more and more candidates for most idiotic post of the year.

Don't worry, you're still strong favourite for that title.

Burial. wrote: »

Floyd Sr. would make sh*t of Conor never mind what Jr. could do.