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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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ScumLord

Has there been any talk of the under card yet? Could be an opportunity for the real Irish boxers to get themselves noticed on the world stage. Katie Taylor would be an obvious choice if we want to show Irish boxing at it's best, but is she more of a main card type fighter these days?

JaMarcusHustle

ScumLord wrote:

Has there been any talk of the under card yet? Could be an opportunity for the real Irish boxers to get themselves noticed on the world stage. Katie Taylor would be an obvious choice if we want to show Irish boxing at it's best, but is she more of a main card type fighter these days?

Given the main event, I reckon Phelps vs Shark II would be right at home on the undercard.

Sweet Science

ScumLord wrote: »

Has there been any talk of the under card yet? Could be an opportunity for the real Irish boxers to get themselves noticed on the world stage. Katie Taylor would be an obvious choice if we want to show Irish boxing at it's best, but is she more of a main card type fighter these days?

Gervonta is the co main . No opponent named yet

weldoninhio

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Given the main event, I reckon Phelps vs Shark II would be right at home on the undercard.

That's over. Shark won.

Edit: missed the II

Donald Trump

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

GerryDerpy wrote: »

I dunno man.

If Conor says he is going to knock him out inside four rounds, goes in and does it, you need to re-evaluate your opinion of him as a boxer.

Not if he gets murdered for 4 rounds and just manages to land a haymaker.

Yea but what happens if McG murders MW for 4 rounds and then MW lands a lucky haymaker

StringerBell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqUYYqkFGvA

Skip to around the 8 minute mark for the part regarding the Mayweather/McGregor fight

Felt it warranted posting as the last video was knocked due to it being full of "boxing guys"

Nothing says MMA like Jones, the GOAT (my opinion of course)

Outlaw Pete

Jon Jones...the salmon of knowledge

wonderfullife

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I wonder. Why would he bother going back? €75million in the bank. He'd have to fight 20 times in the UFC to even come close to that amount.

That's all incorrect.

For his most recent fight at UFC 205, his pay was (roughly) as follows:

Disclosed: $3.5 million
PPV: $6.85 million (1.37 million PPV's sold @ $5 top-tier cut)
Sponsorship: $800,000 (incl. individual deals with Reebok and Budweiser)
Reebok Outfitting: $40,000

That's $11,175,000 (roughly) but in reality for various reasons I won't get into that figure probably was closer to $12.5 million. Put it this way, Lorenzo Fertitta said they underwrote a $10 million guarantee for his fights after the Diaz 1 fight.

Sweet Science wrote: »

He is contracted to the UFC so he cant even if he wanted to . Plus there is no other boxing fight that would come close to this commercially

If he wanted to, he most certainly can walk away from his contract.

He can take the UFC to court to seek declaratory relief under the Ali Act and every sports lawyer I've read thinks he would win the case, especially because the UFC have given the go-ahead for this fight meaning he's now a professional boxer (the Ali Act hasn't been tested in the judiciary when it comes to MMA). As a professional boxer, Conor can argue in court that his UFC contract is prohibitive etc.

Doing that would effectively void his existing contract. It would be a messy process fighting the might of the UFC's legal team, be held up on appeals for 18-24 months but, anyway, it's something Conor would never do because he's grateful and loyal to what Dana and Lorenzo did for him.

But he could get out of it if he truly wanted to...

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

he could just retire. I'm not talking about him boxing. I'm talking about just hanging up the gloves and mouthguard. Why would he bother to fight?

He loves fighting.

Forbes have his 2016 income at $34 million before tax. He doesn't need the Floyd fight. He didn't need the Alvarez fight. He doesn't need future fights.

I know people love to say he only fights for money but he drags himself into the gym to teach boxing classes on pissy evenings when it's lashing rain. Why bother? He's worth a fortune already, yet he keeps showing up the gym every day.

It's kinda like when a Euromillions winner suddenly has $100 million and they keep turning up for work and people think they are nuts... If they love what they do, why not?

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Maybe he enjoys it? Maybe he likes having fights to train for, having lots of attention, and competing in a sport that he undoubtedly loves.

It's easy for fans to say people should retire now that they've made enough money, or if they're past it and in danger of tainting their legacy - maybe they just want to keep playing the sport they enjoy playing.

Yeah this ^

He lives for fighting. Owen Roddy was saying if Conor retired he thinks he would be getting into random scraps and wars in the gym every week because he loves it.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Maybe it will be interesting to see what happens. Its a lot of money for a guy who likes to live it large, we'll see how motivated he is afterwards.

Dana White last week hinted very strongly that "they're going to make Conor really happy" by giving him a part-ownership stake in the UFC. If money was his sole motivation, which it isn't, that'll help.

As for his future, GGG is a great boxer but he's not a draw. The few PPV's he's headlined have tanked and he's virtually anonymous in America outside the hardcore boxing community.

Canelo, on the other hand, is a draw but he has to get past GGG first. Assuming he doesn't, then the biggest money fights left for Conor are in MMA - IMO both the GSP and Nate trilogy fights would sell more.

walshb wrote: »

I know enough about MMA to not put him in the top ten ever in UFC...

He could become a contender if he does more in the Octagon...

Are you talking athletic achievement or overall career achievement? As in there's a certain amount you can do inside a cage and there's what the person did for their sport. E.g. Usain Bolt is faster than Carl Lewis but Lewis almost single-handedly made track-and-field a mainstream sport in the 1980's.

In pure athletic terms, Conor's 100% in the top 10 of all-time already. He's the first man to simultaneously hold titles in 2-weight-classes. No serious list would leave Conor out of the top-10 of all-time.

As it stands, it probably goes like this:

1. Jon Jones
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. Royce Gracie
5. Mighty Mouse
6. BJ Penn
7. Matt Hughes
8. Conor
9. Jose Aldo
10. Ronda Rousey

People are free to throw in whoever... Chuck Liddell, Big Nog, Randy Couture, Tito Ortiz, Sakuraba, Wanderlei Silva...whoever....

Conor has to make the list in my view because of his ground-breaking athletic achievements. If he adds the welterweight title and/or 3 or 4 defences of his Lightweight title and/or a win over GSP, he has every chance of ending his career in the top 3 of all-time.

In terms of transforming the sport, my top 5 would be:

1. Forrest Griffin/Stephan Bonnar
2. Ronda Rousey
3. Conor McGregor
4. Royce Gracie
5. Anderson Silva

I'll argue all day in favour of the TUF 1 finale being the single most important event in UFC history so they share the top spot for me but Ronda and Conor have shattered so many ceilings for what mixed martial artists can achieve.

TL;DR - Conor is deserving of a top 10 spot even now. He has the historic double-gold achievement and has beaten 4 guys who are 100% in the top-5 of all time in their respective weight classes (Aldo, Holloway, Mendes, Alvarez).

StringerBell

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Jon Jones...the salmon of knowledge

So you see, it doesn't matter which side of combat sports the person speaking comes from if it doesn't suit your narrative its simply deflect and ignore.

He isn't biased like the boxing guys, he is just clueless. Of course.

ThinkProgress

wonderfullife wrote: »

He loves fighting.

Forbes have his 2016 income at $34 million before tax. He doesn't need the Floyd fight. He didn't need the Alvarez fight. He doesn't need future fights.

I know people love to say he only fights for money but he drags himself into the gym to teach boxing classes on pissy evenings when it's lashing rain. Why bother? He's worth a fortune already, yet he keeps showing up the gym every day.

It's kinda like when a Euromillions winner suddenly has $100 million and they keep turning up for work and people think they are nuts... If they love what they do, why not?

Don't be naive... :rolleyes:

The man has said himself, that prize fighting is different to martial arts. (which any intelligent person knows it certainly is)

He has said, that his prize fighting career will be a short career... but that he will always practice martial arts!!

No sane person (especially one that now has a young child) would embrace the idea of having a long career fighting in a cage. If they didn't need to, to pay the bills.

I'm sure Conor gets a buzz from fighting... but he is no fool either... unlike some of his fanboys. He will make his pot of gold, and then walk away from cage fighting, as a young millionaire while he is still healthy!!

I can see him going into entertainment, movies etc etc in the very near future... if you believe he will have a very long cage fighting career, you are extremely naive!! (but that's not exactly a surprising revelation with some of you guys tbh) :pac:

Yeah this ^

He lives for fighting. Owen Roddy was saying if Conor retired he thinks he would be getting into random scraps and wars in the gym every week because he loves it.

lol....

Owen Roddy... the salmon of knowledge!!

Conor is currently a fighter... so obviously, that's where his mind is. And he is a very professional individual. No doubt about that...

But he will hang up the gloves... in the very near future... If you believe anything else, again read what I said above.

Nobody loves getting punched in the face for a living!!

Dana White last week hinted very strongly that "they're going to make Conor really happy" by giving him a part-ownership stake in the UFC. If money was his sole motivation, which it isn't, that'll help.

As for his future, GGG is a great boxer but he's not a draw. The few PPV's he's headlined have tanked and he's virtually anonymous in America outside the hardcore boxing community.

Canelo, on the other hand, is a draw but he has to get past GGG first. Assuming he doesn't, then the biggest money fights left for Conor are in MMA - IMO both the GSP and Nate trilogy fights would sell more.

The UFC and boxing world will of course keep dangling carrots in front of him to continue fighting.... but unlike some of his fans, I consider Conor to be a shrewd individual... there's no way he is planning a long fighting career!

Sorry to disappoint you, if you were hoping to watch him fighting for the next 10 years!

TL;DR - Conor is deserving of a top 10 spot even now. He has the historic double-gold achievement and has beaten 4 guys who are 100% in the top-5 of all time in their respective weight classes (Aldo, Holloway, Mendes, Alvarez).

Kind of a mute point really... MMA and the UFC are relatively young, as a sport and a promotion.

I think the idea of Conor being placed alongside some of the top sportsmen and women of history... that's the part I would strongly object to.

The UFC is young enough, for Conor to be considered one of the best... if not now, then certainly in the near future!

But he has a huge amount of more work to do, as a sportsman, to put his name alongside the sporting greats in the wider context of worldwide sport.

Fame does not = greatness!! (in this x-factor generation, this point gets lost on a great many people sadly)

petethedrummer

Donald Trump wrote: »

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

GerryDerpy wrote: »

I dunno man.

If Conor says he is going to knock him out inside four rounds, goes in and does it, you need to re-evaluate your opinion of him as a boxer.

Not if he gets murdered for 4 rounds and just manages to land a haymaker.

Yea but what happens if McG murders MW for 4 rounds and then MW lands a lucky haymaker

I wake up, check I haven't spilled a can on myself, wipe the crisps off my shirt, get up off the couch and go to bed.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Sweet Science wrote: »

Gervonta is the co main . No opponent named yet

What does co-main even mean? Is it just to give the under fight a bigger billing? Because there isn't a fight out there than could compete with this one in terms of hype and interest.

walshb

Co-main event for this?

The only co main for this would be something like already mentioned, Phelps-Shark II...

Or Dana-Leonard?

Mellor

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

What does co-main even mean? Is it just to give the under fight a bigger billing? Because there isn't a fight out there than could compete with this one in terms of hype and interest.

Co-main is the name given to the fight with second billing. It's technically a misnomer but it's fairly standard at this stage.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Mellor wrote: »

Co-main is the name given to the fight with second billing. It's technically a misnomer but it's fairly standard at this stage.

So its just bull **** .. grand. I thought that was the case I wonder why it has become standard. Do events need Co Main's to sell?

walshb

Simple: Chief support should be used, and is used!

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

So Tyson thinks McGregor might get himself killed against Mayweather,

are they paying him for promoting?

StringerBell

Not really. In MMA sure, in boxing? Not so much

Mellor

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

So its just bull **** .. grand. I thought that was the case I wonder why it has become standard. Do events need Co Main's to sell?

It's just the name of the second last fight. Same way the top few fights on MMA cards are collectively the PPV "main card" as opposed the "under card".
Nobody is buying a PPV because they used the phrase co-main. If anything it just serves to let people know, on the night, that the main event is next.
The penultimate fight sounds a bit too circusy imo.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Mellor wrote: »

It's just the name of the second last fight. Same way the top few fights on MMA cards are collectively the PPV "main card" as opposed the "under card".
Nobody is buying a PPV because they used the phrase co-main. If anything it just serves to let people know, on the night, that the main event is next.
The penultimate fight sounds a bit too circusy imo.

I understand it in MMA as there are genuinely good fights on the undercard with big fighters , feature fights per se.

Mellor

wonderfullife wrote: »

1. Jon Jones
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. Royce Gracie
5. Mighty Mouse
6. BJ Penn
7. Matt Hughes
8. Conor
9. Jose Aldo
10. Ronda Rousey

Potentially unpopular opinion here. But I wouldn't have Royce anywhere near the top of that list. He just benefits nostalgia (and a pinch of marketing).

Of course, he deserves mention on the achievement list. Probably top spot imo.

weldoninhio

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

So Tyson thinks McGregor might get himself killed against Mayweather,

are they paying him for promoting?

Its a possibility. Didn't Joao Carvalho pass away after an accumulation of punches in a Dublin MMA event? Happens in boxing every year or two too, or probably more often that you just don't hear about because they aren't high profile. Does't have to be a monster punch that seriously harms someone. Repeated blows to the head can be fatal.

Sweet Science

Mellor wrote: »

Potentially unpopular opinion here. But I wouldn't have Royce anywhere near the top of that list. He just benefits nostalgia (and a pinch of marketing).

Of course, he deserves mention on the achievement list. Probably top spot imo.

Conor will end up top of that list.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

weldoninhio wrote: »

Its a possibility. Didn't Joao Carvalho pass away after an accumulation of punches in a Dublin MMA event? Happens in boxing every year or two too, or probably more often that you just don't hear about because they aren't high profile. Does't have to be a monster punch that seriously harms someone. Repeated blows to the head can be fatal.

Agreed, I have asked that question already on the thread. What happens if McGregor ends up badly hurt. No body seems to want to answer it. Obviously it would be very bad for boxing and UFC simultaneously.

Outlaw Pete

StringerBell wrote: »

So you see, it doesn't matter which side of combat sports the person speaking comes from if it doesn't suit your narrative its simply deflect and ignore.

He isn't biased like the boxing guys, he is just clueless. Of course.

It was a quite clearly a joke referencing the response which met Eddie Alveraz's comments.

Honestly, ye are half asleep in here.

weldoninhio

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Agreed, I have asked that question already on the thread. What happens if McGregor ends up badly hurt. No body seems to want to answer it. Obviously it would be very bad for boxing and UFC simultaneously.

One thing is for sure, the NSAC will have blood on its hands if it does happen. There is already precedent with them turning down the inexperienced Rohan Murdock (18-1) for a fight against Andre Ward (28-0). This fight/circus was sanctioned for the money and nothing else.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It was a quite clearly a joke referencing the response which met Eddie Alveraz's comments.

Honestly, ye are half asleep in here.

quite clearly ...

Outlaw Pete

Yeah, quite clearly.

Here, let me spoon feed you............. when Eddie Alvarez (the UFC fighter) said something positive about Conor's chances, he was sarcastically referred to as 'the salmon of knowledge' and so when someone posted Jon Jones (another UFC fighter) saying something negative about Conor's chances.... I then sarcastically referred to him as being 'the salmon of knowledge'.

Get it?

Like I said, some of ye are half asleep.

But sure if you want to pretend I was dismissive of Jon Jones' opinion (when I myself only give McGregor a slim chance in the fight) and then back slap each other's posts like happy seals.... work away.

ThinkProgress

Mellor wrote: »

Potentially unpopular opinion here. But I wouldn't have Royce anywhere near the top of that list. He just benefits nostalgia (and a pinch of marketing).

Of course, he deserves mention on the achievement list. Probably top spot imo.

Mighty mouse 5th all time?? Not for me... who of note has he actually fought?

No Dom Cruz?? :eek:

What about someone like Sean Sherk? Deserves a mention... 5ft 6in, yet fought as high as welterweight. Only lost 4 of his total 41 MMA fights... (looks even more impressive when you consider the only guys to beat him, were Hughes, GSP, BJ and Edgar... all UFC champs - at least 3 of them guaranteed hall of famers)

walshb

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

But sure if you want to pretend I was dismissive of Jon Jones' opinion (when I myself only give McGregor a slim chance in the fight) and then back slap each other's posts like happy seals.... work away.

I think you give him more than a slim chance, and because folks here question that or diminish this chance (via argument and logic) to very very very slim, it irks you.

I don't want to drag this up, but when you are so sure Jon Jones beats Mayweather in boxing based purely off him being bigger, well, it kind of says a lot about your views on the sport of boxing and its amazing and precise skillset. You are quite dismissive, and you aren't hiding it too well.