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Where are our kids going to live in the future???

Masala

With the cost of housing and the high level of rents..... how will I kids start their lives when they get married????

It is gonna be impossible for a current 20 yr old to see how he is going to be a home owner in any 5-6 years. I would love to see them live beside his parents like in the old days but sites are impossible to get as well. With their qualifications...there won't be much work for one of them here anyway

Even to say they work in Limerick / Cork to avoid the Dublin prices.... it still gonna be hard

So ... what the solution?? I will always have a room for my kids in the home house but when wives/ kids come along it is not something I am looking in my old age.

Does anyone else spend any time thinking on this ????

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red ears wrote: »

With decent soundproofing that would be a good idea. However we don't seem to care about things like that here.

As long as it has concrete flooring, the rest of the 4walls and roof can be solved using corkboarding or rockwool soundproofing.

One solution could be sea reclamation:

Lets start building out from the SW towards Porto Delgrade. Just start moving some of those 1,000ft useless craggy rocky mountains into the sea.

After a decade you'd essentially have something like the the tropical-ish Florida keys extending out maybe hundreds of miles, towards the very edge of the Irish territorial waters. Floating houses are popular in the lowland countries.

Porcupine Seabight SW is deepwater so that would require a detour,

perhaps stick tidal energy plants and windfarms in that area.

Ireland is 90% undeveloped, undiscovered - and underwater, as mentioned by the Irish Marine Institute

emo72

Interesting that people say we should be more like Europe where people rent for long times. But we have no security here. FG won't be pushing for people to have 50 year tenancy rights. That must happen if we are going to have people spending their lives renting.

So anyone arguing for euro style renting, please be honest and acknowledge, we also need tenancy security to match it. It'll never happen though.

Nekarsulm

Renting is fine until you retire. The way pensions are going, an OAP could not possibly afford to rent in any of the cities in Ireland, let alone pay for food and heat.
This is why we have a love affair with home ownership.

howdoyouknow

s15r330 wrote:

Yeh and we'll make a balls of it as usual even though it's just a copy and paste job

s15r330 wrote:

Duplicate post.

Prime example there of us making a balls of a copy and paste job!

blinding

Would it be easier just to have virtual kids in the future.......

Think of the environment .........

Gravelly

Electric Sheep

Wesser wrote: »

The solution is they don't buy when they're 25. They will be off travelling the world at this stage!!! They will buy when they are much older, their salary higher, plus a partner, add together, times 3 .5 , plus deposit. A house that is not perfect but that is acceptable!!! They will be Ok!!! But you must tell them to start saving from the first paycheck!! Save every month even if it is a small amount.!!

In fact, the way people have done historically, apart from the Celtic Tiger blip of over availability of credit.

Jurgen Klopp

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Renting is fine until you retire. The way pensions are going, an OAP could not possibly afford to rent in any of the cities in Ireland, let alone pay for food and heat.
This is why we have a love affair with home ownership.

Well that's it. I can't imagine many in Ireland would have a private pension that would cover current rent rates plus everything else.

Nevermind the majority who most likely would only have a state pension

Then talk of very little or no pension in teh future, bit frankly if we get to that stage that we can't afford pensions, dole, disability and rent allowances wouldn't be affordable either so twould be all the one at that stage

Nekarsulm

Electric Sheep wrote: »

In fact, the way people have done historically, apart from the Celtic Tiger blip of over availability of credit.

The way we did in this country until the 1990's.
Live at home and save till you married.
Now every one needs/ are entitled to a house/flat at 18.

Geuze

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Well that's it. I can't imagine many in Ireland would have a private pension that would cover current rent rates plus everything else.

Nevermind the majority who most likely would only have a state pension

2014 pensioner incomes were 19,256 pa average, of which 10,222 was State Pension.

Nekarsulm

Geuze wrote: »

2014 pensioner incomes were 19,256 pa average, of which 10,222 was State Pension.

Well two non contribuary pensions coming into a house would be 20k, take off 12k for rent (very conservative) and it's extra jumpers and a diet of tea, pan loaf and whatevers in Tescos reduced section.

Jurgen Klopp

Geuze wrote: »

2014 pensioner incomes were 19,256 pa average, of which 10,222 was State Pension.

Bud you wouldn't have the links for teh figures I'd be interested to see how many are getting state pension v say private ones thanks

It would be great if it was possible see how many large pensions are state ones from civil services, public sectors, etc

Mrs OBumble

OP, it's quite likely that YOUR kids will be living in Australia.

Frankly if you're worrying about where they'll live, and they're not even 20 yet, they will be looking to get as far away from your interference as possible.

Sorry. But it had to be said.

Forget trying to control their adult lives. Just bring 'em up to be smart, work hard, and choose you a good nursing home. The rest will look after itself.

lawred2

defrule wrote: »

I think people need to abandon the idea of living in houses and embrace apartment life.

Would need a serious improvement in the standard of apartments

lawred2

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP, it's quite likely that YOUR kids will be living in Australia.

Frankly if you're worrying about where they'll live, and they're not even 20 yet, they will be looking to get as far away from your interference as possible.

Sorry. But it had to be said.

Forget trying to control their adult lives. Just bring 'em up to be smart, work hard, and choose you a good nursing home. The rest will look after itself.

Not sure any of that had to be said really

Jurgen Klopp

lawred2 wrote: »

Not sure any of that had to be said really

Well that poster is a known cnut on here so not surprising they said it

Mod-Banned for Personal abuse.

Yourself isit

Electric Sheep wrote: »

In fact, the way people have done historically, apart from the Celtic Tiger blip of over availability of credit.

Not true at all. People used to marry in their twenties. If they emigrated it was for work not fun or travel.

Yourself isit

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The way we did in this country until the 1990's.
Live at home and save till you married.
Now every one needs/ are entitled to a house/flat at 18.

God's sake. People left home at 18 back then. To go to college or get a job outside their home town.

the_syco

Masala wrote: »

So ... what the solution?? I will always have a room for my kids in the home house but when wives/ kids come along it is not something I am looking in my old age.

Set minimum heights for new apartment blocks that are built within the M50 to at least 15 stories. Maximum being 30 stories. Also, increase what the minimum floor size of said apartment blocks to ensure they are fit to be used by families.

Nekarsulm

Yourself isit wrote: »

God's sake. People left home at 18 back then. To go to college or get a job outside their home town.

True, but they took a room as a lodger or some kind of "diggs".
It was very rare to shack up with someone/ drop a sprog and go looking for rent allowance for their own place.

Not saying it was better then ( look how abysmally everyone in society treated single mothers) but it resulted in a different pattern of housing requirements.

Yourself isit

the_syco wrote: »

Set minimum heights for new apartment blocks that are built within the M50 to at least 15 stories. Maximum being 30 stories. Also, increase what the minimum floor size of said apartment blocks to ensure they are fit to be used by families.

People will still want gardens. ( Personally I don't care).

Parisians almost never have gardens so they often buy a weekend home.

Electric Sheep

Nekarsulm wrote: »

True, but they took a room as a lodger or some kind of "diggs".
It was very rare to shack up with someone/ drop a sprog and go looking for rent allowance for their own place.

Not saying it was better then ( look how abysmally everyone in society treated single mothers) but it resulted in a different pattern of housing requirements.

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Yes, the buying of the house took place before starting a family generally, unless accidental pregnancy caused the marriage. in that case, the usual thing was to have a second child quickly after the first, to get allocated a council house.

the_syco

Yourself isit wrote: »

People will still want gardens. ( Personally I don't care).

Parisians almost never have gardens so they often buy a weekend home.

IMO, if you want a garden you'll learn to enjoy your hour long commute with the rest of the sardines on the train.

Geuze

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Bud you wouldn't have the links for teh figures I'd be interested to see how many are getting state pension v say private ones thanks

It would be great if it was possible see how many large pensions are state ones from civil services, public sectors, etc

https://www.nerinstitute.net/download/pdf/neri_mc_pprg_tcd_090114.pdf

https://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Meetings/Micheal-Collins-Powerpoint.pdf

Geuze

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Bud you wouldn't have the links for teh figures I'd be interested to see how many are getting state pension v say private ones thanks

It would be great if it was possible see how many large pensions are state ones from civil services, public sectors, etc

https://www.slideshare.net/NevinInstitute/tax-expenditure-on-occupational-pensions-in-ireland-relevance-cost-distribution