Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

for the record i dont care who wins - i just would like to see a decent fight and get entertain

the boxing guys will lose there minds if its anything other than a walk in the park for mayweather

Sweet Science wrote: »

Proven pro boxer ? He's not even a pro boxer . Conor will be embarrassed in there let's not kid ourselves

If people can't see that then their blinded by their appreciation of him as a man / mma fighter

Nobody thinks he is a mug BTW . He could be classed as a mug at boxing in comparison to Mayweather though . He obviously has good boxing skills but no at this level

we dont really know whats going to happen - the boxing community are hell bent on saying this is over before its started which lets face it is what you hope happens but is by no means certain

sc86 wrote: »

yes but writing him off as having no boxing ability because he has no boxing record is madness

as i said this is not 30 year old mayweather

He has striking ability, thats different from boxing. Boxing isn't about just throwing punches.

Sweet Science

sc86 wrote: »

yes but writing him off as having no boxing ability because he has no boxing record is madness

as i said this is not 30 year old mayweather

How could that be madness ? I'd view that as the perfectly normal opinion to have until proven wrong

xtal191 wrote: »

I dont think anyone including hardcore boxing fans are disrespecting him as an mma fighter, people are questioning his boxing ability which is fair cause he's never had a pro fight.

yes but writing him off as having no boxing ability because he has no boxing record is madness

as i said this is not 30 year old mayweather

Sweet Science

sc86 wrote: »

the boxing gang would nearly have you believe mayweather is fighting a golfer if you knew no better
the lack of respect to mcgregor as a top level martial artist is crazy - as if mma is some sort of micky mouse game
he is not a proven pro boxer but he is no mug

I really don't understand how anyone could take offence to people having that view . Its the only logical one to have until we proven wrong on August 26th .
neil seery on off the ball last night - no bullsh1t from him as ever
conor will cause plenty of problems but he cant see him lose but not by much
only chance to win is early ko
he is fighting a 40 year old , well past his best , but still excellent

Proven pro boxer ? He's not even a pro boxer . Conor will be embarrassed in there let's not kid ourselves

If people can't see that then their blinded by their appreciation of him as a man / mma fighter

Nobody thinks he is a mug BTW . He could be classed as a mug at boxing in comparison to Mayweather though . He obviously has good boxing skills but no at this level

sc86 wrote: »

the boxing gang would nearly have you believe mayweather is fighting a golfer if you knew no better
the lack of respect to mcgregor as a top level martial artist is crazy - as if mma is some sort of micky mouse game
he is not a proven pro boxer but he is no mug

neil seery on off the ball last night - no bullsh1t from him as ever
conor will cause plenty of problems but he cant see him lose but not by much
only chance to win is early ko
he is fighting a 40 year old , well past his best , but still excellent

I don't think anyone is doubting his skill as an MMA fighter, he is a 2 weight champion.

Pro Boxing is a different game, I think thats where maybe people aren't giving him anything because he hasn't shown anything for it yet.

xtal191

sc86 wrote: »

the boxing gang would nearly have you believe mayweather is fighting a golfer if you knew no better
the lack of respect to mcgregor as a top level martial artist is crazy - as if mma is some sort of micky mouse game
he is not a proven pro boxer but he is no mug

neil seery on off the ball last night - no bullsh1t from him as ever
conor will cause plenty of problems but he cant see him lose but not by much
only chance to win is early ko
he is fighting a 40 year old , well past his best , but still excellent

I dont think anyone including hardcore boxing fans are disrespecting him as an mma fighter, people are questioning his boxing ability which is fair cause he's never had a pro fight.

CatFromHue

wonderfullife wrote: »

The body shot he landed on Diego Brandao was sickening. That was the shot that truly ended that fight, not the left cross that finally put him down.

Check it out here. Around 1:00 mark. Really doubled him over with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dswzv7iYxhQ

I thought it was the reverse kick to his head, shown briefly at the 50/51 second mark that did Brandao in and the sequence shown from around 1:00 was where Brandao was already done.

the boxing gang would nearly have you believe mayweather is fighting a golfer if you knew no better
the lack of respect to mcgregor as a top level martial artist is crazy - as if mma is some sort of micky mouse game
he is not a proven pro boxer but he is no mug

neil seery on off the ball last night - no bullsh1t from him as ever
conor will cause plenty of problems but he cant see him lose but not by much
only chance to win is early ko
he is fighting a 40 year old , well past his best , but still excellent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dswzv7iYxhQ

everlast75 wrote: »

Hatton stopped a fight by a punch to the ribs of an opponent. Does Conor have that much power?

The body shot he landed on Diego Brandao was sickening. That was the shot that truly ended that fight, not the left cross that finally put him down.

Check it out here. Around 1:00 mark. Really doubled him over with it.

wonderfullife wrote: »

It just looks to me like even the very best defensive boxers still get hit cleanly often in a 12-round fight. Whether Conor can actually land the left hand to put his lights out is a different discussion.

Conor surely knows he's going to be made to miss with an awful lot of shots but he knows that from MMA already. He only lands with about 35% of his shots in MMA and he'll need to be prepared mentally to understand he'd be doing phenomenally well to land with 20% against Floyd.

Of course they can be hit, I do agree on that one no doubt.

The thing with someone like Floyd is that he makes the opponent miss and punishes them a lot for it, hence his high hit rate against the opposition.

I would/could see Conor landing some punches, I sparred 2 pros last year in Vancouver and even I landed a few, but I was still battered by them. So I get what you mean when you say the above.

walshb wrote: »

That is fair, and what I would go along with....

It's a lot more likely he lands using this criteria than not lands.

But I wonder is Eddie more implying lands where we can really see it and almost feel it? In other words not juts a compu box definition, which can have some sh1tty examples of landed punches, but a real decent shot that snaps the head.....

I can't see many, if not any of those should Floyd be on his A game.

If you're talking the sort of punches that could possibly drop a man, then I doubt anybody (even myself) expect there to be more than 5 or 6 of those in the entire contest.

Conor isn't a one-punch KO-artist but he does have one-punch power. He dropped Aldo, Mendes, Nate and Eddie from single punches. From Conor's perspective the hope has to be he lands the left hand clean, drops Floyd and swarms him when he gets up to try finish him.

I think it's unlikely he lands the shot to put his lights out for the full 10 seconds. It'll be more a case of swarming on him if he can get him on wobbly legs.

everlast75

Hatton stopped a fight by a punch to the ribs of an opponent. Does Conor have that much power?

Gintonious wrote: »

When you look at the full punch stats though, it does make Mayweather look as good as you say he doesn't though.

Total Punches Landed/Thrown
thru 12
Mayweather [232/410, 56%]
Berto [83/495, 16%]

I think the lowest landed against Mayweather was 69 from Marquez. Mayweather landed 290 in that fight.

Of course he is going to get it, and the stats show that he does get hit. In comparison to how much he hits though, that does (to me at least) look like a superpower.

It just looks to me like even the very best defensive boxers still get hit cleanly often in a 12-round fight. Whether Conor can actually land the left hand to put his lights out is a different discussion.

Conor surely knows he's going to be made to miss with an awful lot of shots but he knows that from MMA already. He only lands with about 35% of his shots in MMA and he'll need to be prepared mentally to understand he'd be doing phenomenally well to land with 20% against Floyd.

wonderfullife wrote: »

The same as Compubox.

Any punch that lands with force on your opponents head or torso.

So, for example:

Conor could throw a left hook, it bounces off Floyd's right shoulder and lands on Floyd's ear and rocks his head.

or

Conor throws a left straight which Floyd partially parries but it still carries through and lands.

or

Conor throws a punch underneath/over the guard or pierces the guard.

Basically anything that lands with force on the head or body.

If the punch is stopped at the shoulder or arm or deflected off target, i.e. Conor just punched his arm, that does not count. It needs to land with force on head or body to count. Tippy-tap punches in the clinch don't count either.

That is fair, and what I would go along with....

It's a lot more likely he lands using this criteria than not lands.

But I wonder is Eddie more implying lands where we can really see it and almost feel it? In other words not juts a compu box definition, which can have some sh1tty examples of landed punches, but a real decent shot that snaps the head.....

I can't see many, if not any of those should Floyd be on his A game.

walshb wrote: »

So, wonder, what will you count as a landed punch?

The same as Compubox.

Any punch that lands with force on your opponents head or torso.

So, for example:

Conor could throw a left hook, it bounces off Floyd's right shoulder and lands on Floyd's ear and rocks his head.

or

Conor throws a left straight which Floyd partially parries but it still carries through and lands.

or

Conor throws a punch underneath/over the guard or pierces the guard.

Basically anything that lands with force on the head or body.

If the punch is stopped at the shoulder or arm or deflected off target, i.e. Conor just punched his arm, that does not count. It needs to land with force on head or body to count. Tippy-tap punches in the clinch don't count either.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Floyd isn't Neo from The Matrix. He gets hit clean every single fight. There hasn't been a single fight from Floyd Mayweather where he doesn't get hit clean in the face or body. He's an amazing boxer no doubt about it but people talk about him as if he's got superpowers. He really doesn't. Every single BOXER has hit him clean. Right, so Conor isn't a professional boxer but a lot of people (like Eddie Alvarez) who know both sports believe Conor will land on Floyd, just like the other boxers did. That's just their opinion.

Take his most recent fight as a good illustration. It's the fairest fight to analyse because you're only as good as your last performance in fight sports.

At 0:19 Floyd throws a left hook and Berto finds a home for a crisp, short straight left counter that rocks Floyd's head back. Floyd visibly bites down on his gumshield after it.

At 0:59 Berto sneaks a right hook to the body against the fence under Floyd's guard. Landed flush.

At 1:23 Berto lands his best punch of the fight, a left-hand counter that landed clean and watered Floyd's eyes.

At 1:58 Berto throws a hybrid superman punch. Well that or his footwork was awful. Floyd was rolling with it but it still lands clean.

At 2:12 Berto lands a weird looking left-hand shot, looks more of a Stockton Slap but again lands clean.

At 2:38 Berto lands the 2 punch of his double left straight.

The positives for Conor looking at the Berto fight are that Floyd got hit cleanly and often - and nearly everything Berto landed clean was his left hand counter over Floyd's straight right.

The negatives are Floyd still made Berto hit fresh air for large chunks of rounds and still won the fight 117-111 or better on the scorecards.

My point is people have unrealistic rose-tinted goggles on when it comes to Floyd's defensive boxing. He's brilliant and the best but he's just a human. He lives on his chin at times just like any other boxer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lf78NVcbSM

When you look at the full punch stats though, it does make Mayweather look as good as you say he doesn't though.

Total Punches Landed/Thrown
thru 12
Mayweather [232/410, 56%]
Berto [83/495, 16%]

I think the lowest landed against Mayweather was 69 from Marquez. Mayweather landed 290 in that fight.

Of course he is going to get it, and the stats show that he does get hit. In comparison to how much he hits though, that does (to me at least) look like a superpower.

So, wonder, what will you count as a landed punch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lf78NVcbSM

Floyd isn't Neo from The Matrix. He gets hit clean every single fight. There hasn't been a single fight from Floyd Mayweather where he doesn't get hit clean in the face or body. He's an amazing boxer no doubt about it but people talk about him as if he's got superpowers. He really doesn't. Every single BOXER has hit him clean. Right, so Conor isn't a professional boxer but a lot of people (like Eddie Alvarez) who know both sports believe Conor will land on Floyd, just like the other boxers did. That's just their opinion.

Take his most recent fight as a good illustration. It's the fairest fight to analyse because you're only as good as your last performance in fight sports.

At 0:19 Floyd throws a left hook and Berto finds a home for a crisp, short straight left counter that rocks Floyd's head back. Floyd visibly bites down on his gumshield after it.

At 0:59 Berto sneaks a right hook to the body against the fence under Floyd's guard. Landed flush.

At 1:23 Berto lands his best punch of the fight, a left-hand counter that landed clean and watered Floyd's eyes.

At 1:58 Berto throws a hybrid superman punch. Well that or his footwork was awful. Floyd was rolling with it but it still lands clean.

At 2:12 Berto lands a weird looking left-hand shot, looks more of a Stockton Slap but again lands clean.

At 2:38 Berto lands the 2 punch of his double left straight.

The positives for Conor looking at the Berto fight are that Floyd got hit cleanly and often - and nearly everything Berto landed clean was his left hand counter over Floyd's straight right.

The negatives are Floyd still made Berto hit fresh air for large chunks of rounds and still won the fight 117-111 or better on the scorecards.

My point is people have unrealistic rose-tinted goggles on when it comes to Floyd's defensive boxing. He's brilliant and the best but he's just a human. He lives on his chin at times just like any other boxer.

wonderfullife wrote: »

His point (and his opinion) are the "experts" who say "Conor won't land a punch" are (in Eddie's words) "complete idiots" and Conor has a good chance to flatten Floyd in the first 4 rounds. Beyond that he sees one way traffic for Floyd.

That's both his point and his opinion.

Are they really idiots because they think it's possible that Conor does not land a punch?

I assume a punch is something that is clear to see and somewhat impacting.

Let us for argument's sake discount arms and shoulders and only include a clean head or body shot...

It's either he does land a punch or punches or he doesn't....

I just cannot call anyone an idiot because they think that it's possible that one of boxing's greatest ever defenders will avoid getting hit clean by a non pro boxer...

Now, if Eddie is being clever and it suits him to include arms and shoulders here then he likley is proved right, but really, that's just lame clutching.

The KO chance remains as long as they are boxing....that is a given. No need for Eddie to tell us this...

Boom_Bap

Gintonious wrote: »

I was wondering if the opposite would happen but it seems like Paulie doesn't have an Insta.

I would also be sure that the only camera allowed in there will be for McGregors team.

The Showtime crew have a certain level of access as well.

wonderfullife wrote: »

The likes of Max Kellerman and even yourself *at times* believe if Floyd is at his very best then Conor won't land anything clean in order to KO him.

Eddie just disagrees. He thinks Conor has a good chance of getting Floyd out of there early on even if Floyd at his best.

Nate sort of agreed with that assessment in that clip with Andre Ward a month or 2 ago.

Sure we shall see how it unfolds. Conor has his first sparring session with Paulie Malignaggi in around 3 or 4 hours from now, so will be interesting to see if we get any photos posted on Instagram or not!

I was wondering if the opposite would happen but it seems like Paulie doesn't have an Insta.

I would also be sure that the only camera allowed in there will be for McGregors team.

walshb wrote: »

Don't we all agree that Conor has a KO chance? I do. Even though it is very slim.

The likes of Max Kellerman and even yourself *at times* believe if Floyd is at his very best then Conor won't land anything clean in order to KO him.

Eddie just disagrees. He thinks Conor has a good chance of getting Floyd out of there early on even if Floyd at his best.

Nate sort of agreed with that assessment in that clip with Andre Ward a month or 2 ago.

Sure we shall see how it unfolds. Conor has his first sparring session with Paulie Malignaggi in around 3 or 4 hours from now, so will be interesting to see if we get any photos posted on Instagram or not!

Boom_Bap

walshb wrote: »

Possibly, Eddie. But rds 1-4 could see Floyd pull away and end it....

Exactly! The could is that Conors best chance is to end it in those 4 rounds and the longer it goes on, Conors chances of a knockout dissipate but not impossible.

wonderfullife wrote: »

His point (and his opinion) are the "experts" who say "Conor won't land a punch" are (in Eddie's words) "complete idiots" and Conor has a good chance to flatten Floyd in the first 4 rounds. Beyond that he sees one way traffic for Floyd.

That's both his point and his opinion.

Don't we all agree that Conor has a KO chance? I do. Even though it is very slim.

walshb wrote: »

So not really sure what Eddie's point is is...

His point (and his opinion) are the "experts" who say "Conor won't land a punch" are (in Eddie's words) "complete idiots" and Conor has a good chance to flatten Floyd in the first 4 rounds. Beyond that he sees one way traffic for Floyd.

That's both his point and his opinion.

Sofiztikated

I think when Conor gets back to MMA, that left hand of his will be upgraded from "Bomb" to "Nuclear Bomb."

T'will be vicious.