walshb wrote: » I have said before, Jon Jones could be in there and I believe his reach to be greater than Conor's, and Jon Jones wouldn't have a hope at beating Mayweather at boxing.
wonderfullife wrote: » The concept that it's an 0-0 boxer, hence he has no chance, is stupid. You have to look a lot deeper than a professional boxing record. Lomachenko was 0-0 when he fought for his first World Title. Sure, he had 2 Olympic gold's under his belt as an amateur but he was still proven in world class competition. Conor has 4 world titles, 5 if you're being generous, under his belt in mixed martial arts. His best attributes as a mixed martial artist are his mastery of range/distance, he has consistently shown calmness under the biggest stage, and his movement and footwork in MMA terms is exceptional. He brings a lot more to the table than the bare 0-0, just like Lomachenko did in a very different way. I was steadfast in my belief than Floyd would stop Conor in the later rounds but the more I think about this fight, I've gone to the dark side. I'm convinced Conor will win this contest the same way he wins every other contest - mentally, physically and with his left hand. On a side note, made me smile to see his instagram post "Representing the Ultimate Fighting Championship". Also great to see so many champions in the UFC publicly supporting him. Also had to laugh at Joanna correcting Conor on how to pronounce her name and he blindly ignored her and mispronounced it again lol.
Too Tough To Die wrote: » Loma was 1-0 and probably the greatest amateur ever. He also lost.
wonderfullife wrote: » Also had to laugh at Joanna correcting Conor on how to pronounce her name and he blindly ignored her and mispronounced it again lol.
pudzey101 wrote: » Seen this on the boxing forum . Cant see it happening to be honest
Outlaw Pete wrote: » But the same principles would apply and Jones's best chance at beating Floyd would be to knock him spark out also......... and given his even greater reach advantage (and height and weight also of course) he would undoubtedly do so. Jones punches would easily break Floyd's guard.... lets be real.
pudzey101 wrote: » Seen this on the boxing forum . ...... Cant see it happening to be honest
maximoose wrote: » Why not? Most likely outcome IMO
walshb wrote: » Jones absolutely stands a better chance than Conor due to Jones being a far more physical specimen. But that is where it ends. He still loses clearly. When you say breaks his guard. What guard? Floyd doesn't use one type of guard. That is why he is so difficult to pin down and hit clean. Are you actually saying that Jon Jones would KO Mayweather in boxing, and/or that he should be viewed as the favorite? I am beginning to doubt that you know the first thing about boxing and/or Mayweather.
walshb wrote: » Are you actually saying that Jon Jones would KO Mayweather in boxing, and/or that he should be viewed as the favorite?
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Mayweather's a boxer.... not Wonder Woman.
wonderfullife wrote: » The concept that it's an 0-0 boxer, hence he has no chance, is stupid. You have to look a lot deeper than a professional boxing record.Lomachenko was 0-0 when he fought for his first World Title. Sure, he had 2 Olympic gold's under his belt as an amateur but he was still proven in world class competition. Conor has 4 world titles, 5 if you're being generous, under his belt in mixed martial arts. His best attributes as a mixed martial artist are his mastery of range/distance, he has consistently shown calmness under the biggest stage, and his movement and footwork in MMA terms is exceptional. He brings a lot more to the table than the bare 0-0, just like Lomachenko did in a very different way. I was steadfast in my belief than Floyd would stop Conor in the later rounds but the more I think about this fight, I've gone to the dark side. I'm convinced Conor will win this contest the same way he wins every other contest - mentally, physically and with his left hand. On a side note, made me smile to see his instagram post "Representing the Ultimate Fighting Championship". Also great to see so many champions in the UFC publicly supporting him. Also had to laugh at Joanna correcting Conor on how to pronounce her name and he blindly ignored her and mispronounced it again lol.
Gintonious wrote: » wonderfullife wrote: » The concept that it's an 0-0 boxer, hence he has no chance, is stupid. You have to look a lot deeper than a professional boxing record.Lomachenko was 0-0 when he fought for his first World Title. Sure, he had 2 Olympic gold's under his belt as an amateur but he was still proven in world class competition. Conor has 4 world titles, 5 if you're being generous, under his belt in mixed martial arts. His best attributes as a mixed martial artist are his mastery of range/distance, he has consistently shown calmness under the biggest stage, and his movement and footwork in MMA terms is exceptional. He brings a lot more to the table than the bare 0-0, just like Lomachenko did in a very different way. I was steadfast in my belief than Floyd would stop Conor in the later rounds but the more I think about this fight, I've gone to the dark side. I'm convinced Conor will win this contest the same way he wins every other contest - mentally, physically and with his left hand. On a side note, made me smile to see his instagram post "Representing the Ultimate Fighting Championship". Also great to see so many champions in the UFC publicly supporting him. Also had to laugh at Joanna correcting Conor on how to pronounce her name and he blindly ignored her and mispronounced it again lol. You've lost it. He was 369-1 in the amateurs, 2 Olympic gold medals, 2 world boxing titles in the amateurs and 1 silver medal, and a life time of boxing. Unproven in world class competition? Give me (and everyone) a break. You go on then to say Conor has 4 world titles in MMA as if that trumps Lomas frankly astonishing record in boxing.
Eyes Down Field wrote: » If MMA fans are looking back on Mayweather fights. Keep your focus on his just his face for a few rounds. You see his opponents throw punches in bunches but Floyd doesn't get hit. It's really remarkable. There are clean air shots, touches off the elbows, arms and shoulders, but nothing lands. Fighters can't go down to the body either because Floyd never puts himself in a position at the end of an exchange that gives his opponents a opportunity to exploit. His defensive ability and movement are too advanced for even elite boxer to deal with. There's really no hope for McGregor. The only problem with that bet is that a straight KO ruins it. What if Floyd cracks him with a flush left hook to the chin. It could be lights out. Exactly McGregor is really fcked because he can't attack Floyd. Anything he throws with be contered and return back with pin point accuracy. Floyd will only let Conor fight in defence mode for so long before he starts to us him as a punching bag. Floyd doesn't have to chase Conor around the ring either, He will use his ring craft and clever movement to corner McGregor and just unload a barrage of punches.
hewhoscares wrote: » Mate. As wonder pointed out, he has the likes of Conlan and Quigley he can message on Whatsapp for advice. Like he says we're looking at a Been-Eubank type fight here. Loma is arguably the greatest am boxer ever. Its idiotic to compare the amateur BOXING he did at the Olympics, WSB and various tournaments to what Conor has achieved in a different sport.
wonderfullife wrote: On a side note, made me smile to see his instagram post "Representing the Ultimate Fighting Championship". Also great to see so many champions in the UFC publicly supporting him.
Mean Laqueefa wrote: » Whats amazing is the level of arrogance so called boxing ''true fans'' have. Like any of you have boxed at the level of Floyd or even Conor, yet all able to analyze and pin point what and why Floyd gonna play possum or destroy Conor or fake fight. Further more at least the argument that Conor believes in himself you all find false and some may also debate if he is even a star. Boxing is not the pure sport that you are being spoon fed and holding your nose up at KO artist be it MMA is showing everyone how elitist you view it. Most are so sted fast that everything thats tradional boxing will win out cause its the sweet science or the dance or all the other bull **** is will and has what lead you to the point only option for your best is to fight Conor.
Gintonious wrote: » Are we really looking at that? Something tells me you have never seen Mayweather fight if you are saying that. If we are comparing Lomas boxing career as we a whole (amateur and pro) to McGregors as a whole (amateur and pro), and for the upcoming BOXING match, I think I know which one I would prefer to have.
walshb wrote: » Jones absolutely stands a better chance than Conor due to Jones being a far more physical specimen. But that is where it ends. He still loses clearly. When you say breaks his guard. What guard? Floyd doesn't use one type of guard. That is why he is so difficult to pin down and hit clean. Are you actually saying that Jon Jones would KO Mayweather in boxing, and/or that he should be viewed as the favorite? I am beginning to doubt that you know the first thing about boxing and/or Mayweather. Yet you have no issue dissing Sweet Science's boxing knowledge/breakdowns...
Gintonious wrote: When I remember back to the last 10 times I've watched Floyd in the hope that the opponent might beat him and 3 rounds in the reality sets in, I can see that happening more and more.
Gintonious wrote: I'd love for this to be a mad crazy back and forth fight, but, the head says otherwise.
Eyes Down Field wrote: » I'm not sure McGregor gets to the 3rd round. You know yourself form watching his last 10+ fights, Floyd took a very careful and measured approach, against great fighters like De La Hoya, Marquez, Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao etc... But with McGregor you have a guy who is so limited in terms of boxing ability, so lacking in basic defense, that Floyd will have more time than ever to anticipate any attack and to create open opportunity's to land clean shots and counters. and at any moment in the early rounds he may just decided to hit the kill switch I can only see a one sided beatdown, It's probably best that Floyd ends it early on. For the sake of Conor's long term health.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » A 220lb, 6ft 3" Jon Jones (with an almost 85" reach) would for sure have an excellent shot at knocking out a 5ft 7" 155lb Mayweather ffs. Mayweather avoiding punches from fighters with reaches of between 65" to 73" reaches is one thing.... but from fighters with an 85" reach, that are 8 inches taller than him and weigh 220lb? Come on. Heavier guys don't just hit harder, they also absorb punishment better too. Now, again..... the longer the fight would go on, the less power and reach advantages would matter as the non pro-boxer would just be outboxed Tbf, you (and a lot of boxing fans) have an unrealistic view of just what professional boxing skills can initially invalidate. Mayweather's a boxer.... not Wonder Woman.
walshb wrote: » You reckon Jon Jones would have knocked out a 5 feet 9 160 lbs MW Toney? Not much taller than Floyd, and 6 lbs heavier than Floyd as regards this Aug 26 match.. Similar styles as regards Defense. No, Jones would have gotten eaten alive here against Toney..
