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Motorists may have to drive slower on motorways under climate plan

keoclassic

So not only are the government happy to drive young people out of the city by crazy rents and inflated house prices, but they now want to increase the time it is taking us to commute into the city along the motorways!!! For a person who has a 1hr 20 min commute along the motorway in the morning, i am starting to wonder about this country :mad:, i have already given up all of my free time during the week so i can work a full time job in the city and have no time for my pastimes in the evening because im so wrecked, FU@k these "think-tanks" that come up with this stuff!!! Rant over.

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The_Valeyard

I agree. 120 on some of our motorways is perfectly fine. This just seems to be a cash grab for speed vans, just using environmentalism as the cover for it.

[Deleted User]

Surely they should also be increasing the limit on 60km/h roads then?

Badly Drunk Boy

Since the OP isn't very informative, here's a link and a bit of the story.

A reduction in the motorway speed limit from 120 to 110 kilometres per hour and an extension of the Dart as far as Balbriggan, Co Dublin, are among the proposals in the Government’s climate action plan published today.

Ways to reduce the impact of climate change in Ireland and the status of the economy are to be discussed in a day-long Cabinet meeting to take place in Celbridge, Co Kildare on Wednesday.

The Cabinet’s first strategic planning session comes after Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said nothing less than “fundamental societal transformation” was necessary to decarbonise the economy.

Cabinet members meeting at Castletown House will hear a 30-minute presentation from Minister for Climate Change Denis Naughten on the National Mitigation Plan which has already been approved by Government, but which requires “buy-in” on implementation from individual departments.

The plan, to be published on Wednesday morning, will include sections on measures already in place, measures under consideration and the distance to achieving emissions reductions targets.

eviltimeban

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrahQpIWD08

Chips Lovell

keoclassic wrote: »

For a person who has a 1hr 20 min commute along the motorway in the morning, i am starting to wonder about this country :mad:

Even if you drove your entire commute at 120kph (which I seriously doubt) the reduced speed limit would mean it would take seven minutes longer.

4068ac1elhodqr

Most likely in the future insurers will want to stick a black box in yer car to constantly monitor 'driving behaviour' (until the robots take control of actual driving, that is).

Along with urban limits on the horizon it makes no sense why car makers are constantly improving speeds and performance.

beauf

What difference in time will it make to your commute. Bearing in mind only some of your time is on the motorway.

https://www.timecalculator.net/speed-distance-time-calculator

topper75

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Even if you drove your entire commute at 120kph (which I seriously doubt) the reduced speed limit would mean it would take seven minutes longer.

So, quarter of an hour lost every day, and that is only one person in a single day. To what end?

No government serious about being returned by the people would implement such a measure in this country. Ever. It's a one-way ticket to at least a decade in opposition. If you want to ignore realpolitik, you will perish alongside the Greens.

keoclassic

I would easily say 20 mins minimum, its not about the maths of speed/time, but the extra 10-15 mins your on the motorway could progress to another extra 10 in the increase in traffic in the city itself meaning you may have to leave 20-25 mins earlier.................and thats all going well!

Jayop

Why? Is it to reduce emissions?

The speed limit is already too slow on motorways

The_Valeyard

Jayop wrote: »

Why? Is it to reduce emissions?

The speed limit is already too slow on motorways

I'd increase it to 130

beauf

topper75 wrote: »

So, quarter of an hour lost every day, and that is only one person in a single day. To what end?...

Its more fuel efficient and less emissions.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/motoring/what-would-60mph-motorway-speed-limit-do-nox-emissions

In 2011, the European Environment Agency (EEA) published a report on the subject.

This study documented a detailed simulation into the effects of dropping motorway speed limits from 120 to 110km/h (74.5 to 68.4mph) for Euro 4-compliant petrol and diesel cars with engines between 1.4 and 2.0 litres in capacity.

With smooth driving and complete compliance with speed limits, the diesel car exhibited a 12% reduction in fuel use and the petrol car an 18% reduction. This is because there is less wind resistance, so the car needs less relative power to propel itself.

keoclassic

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Even if you drove your entire commute at 120kph (which I seriously doubt) the reduced speed limit would mean it would take seven minutes longer.

Dont be kidding yourself!

alchemist33

Reminds me of when everybody in Star Trek agreed to not go over warp factor 4 for the universe's sake, except in emergencies. I'd say the evidence base for both proposals is.pretty similar.

Diemos

keoclassic wrote: »

So not only are the government happy to drive young people out of the city by crazy rents and inflated house prices, but they now want to increase the time it is taking us to commute into the city along the motorways!!!

Yes, this is all the government masterplan, to make everyone miserable.

professore

Just ban farming. Problem solved.

GHG%20Emissions%20by%20sector,%202009.bmp

http://www.epa.ie/climate/communicatingclimatescience/whatisclimatechange/whatareirelandsgreenhousegasemissionslike/

beauf

keoclassic wrote: »

I... its not about the maths of speed/time, ...

It really is.

The counter argument about taking long is also about math of speed and time.

beauf

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I agree. 120 on some of our motorways is perfectly fine. This just seems to be a cash grab for speed vans, just using environmentalism as the cover for it.

That would be true if it was enforced. But it mostly isn't.

Chips Lovell

Two pages in and I'm surprised nobody's come out with the "it's just a money making racket" one yet.

keoclassic

beauf wrote: »

It really is.

The counter argument about taking long is also about math of speed and time.

Fair point..............its also about the variables in the equation on any given day also.

OldMrBrennan83

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bmwguy

There was a temporary reduction on dual carriageways in the 1970s as there was a fuel shortage (don't think we had motorways then). It's no biggie lads it used to be 70mph before we went to kmph.

70 mph was 112kmph.

And I use motorways extensively.

Tabnabs

Don't upset the lobby groups...

ElKavo

A reduction as opposed to an increase in the dairy herd would be better for the environment.

Sofiztikated

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Two pages in and I'm surprised nobody's come out with the "it's just a money making racket" one yet.

Em...

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I agree. 120 on some of our motorways is perfectly fine. This just seems to be a cash grab for speed vans, just using environmentalism as the cover for it.

Pac1Man

Hopefully this will lead to less flies being brutally murdered by the windscreen.

4068ac1elhodqr

Plant more trees, to suck up all the CO2, problem solved.

Ireland may be green in colour (due to all the rain and thus moss/grass).

But has the lowest forest cover of all European countries (Teagasc).
From 80% cover to less than 1%.

Shenshen

keoclassic wrote: »

So not only are the government happy to drive young people out of the city by crazy rents and inflated house prices, but they now want to increase the time it is taking us to commute into the city along the motorways!!! For a person who has a 1hr 20 min commute along the motorway in the morning, i am starting to wonder about this country :mad:, i have already given up all of my free time during the week so i can work a full time job in the city and have no time for my pastimes in the evening because im so wrecked, FU@k these "think-tanks" that come up with this stuff!!! Rant over.

Assuming you're driving in between 7 - 9am, and back between 4 - 6pm, how many minutes do you even get driving at 120kph as it is?

Honestly wondering, as my own (rather shorter) commute down the N25, which currently has a speed limit of 120kph, at between around 7.15 - 7.25am each morning finds me usually in so much traffic, I'm lucky if I manage to do 100kph.

So why the frustration?

Mycroft H

Shenshen wrote: »

Assuming you're driving in between 7 - 9am, and back between 4 - 6pm, how many minutes do you even get driving at 120kph as it is?

Honestly wondering, as my own (rather shorter) commute down the N25, which currently has a speed limit of 120kph, at between around 7.15 - 7.25am each morning finds me usually in so much traffic, I'm lucky if I manage to do 100kph.

So why the frustration?

Because it's a lazy, poorly researched, ill thought out post that uses the excuse of expensive quango "think tanks" to rubbish the idea of attempting to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Maybe the extension of the DART will tempt people from their cars...

Collyb101

The Government is under pressure & will not meet the 2020 Gas Emissions targets. Especially as we are so eager to let Apple build their Galway Data Center. So if you look at the graph above, this means MORE yellow, LESS brown. Only problem is we need to transport ourselves to our commercial/industry positions. Makes no sense at all. I'm not sure if the Agriculture posts above are people joking or not but this probably would be the right way to go. UK will not be buying our expensive EU cheese for much longer and sadly, to export this, we need to use our roads!!!!