Ultimate Seduction wrote: Elite Pro sports stars don't think like us fools. They want leagacys to live on as long as possible.
wonderfullife wrote: Good to see Conor training in the UFC Performance Institute. It's like a space station with all the state-of-the-art stuff they have in there so I can definitely see them taking full advantage of the facilities.
everlast75 wrote: Does the boxing fraternity expect 12 rounds of embarrassing the young pup from Dublin, or would they expect a T/KO? Would they expect FM to walk out unscathed?
everlast75 wrote: If Conor can draw him out and make him slightly reckless then I think an opportunity may present itself.
walshb wrote: Maybe he won't give a fook, but for fans his type of victory may well be important. For me I would diss him if he cannot do this in utter style/domination.
jcd5971 wrote: I also think there is 0% chance of Floyd going out to destroy him,
wonderfullife wrote: » StringerBell wrote: » What does Denis Siver have to do with boxing? He is not fighting Floyd Mayweather, at 40 years of age, to prove he is the greatest combat fighter on the planet. It is naive to not acknowledge this is for the money, his MMA fights are a separate issue and it is foolish to the point of willful ignorance to suggest I was conflating the two. ....he is going to quadruple his net worth in one event. It doesn't sound like his net is anything close to $34m if that is true? If he was offered $100 million to fight CM Punk in the Octagon and $100 million to fight Floyd in boxing which do you think he picks? Why did he go straight after Rafael Dos Anjos instead of defending against Frankie Edgar? RDA, at the time, was a wrecking machine and universally acknowledged to be a better fighter than Frankie. The bigger fight, financially, was 100% defending the belt against Frankie because Frankie has one of the biggest fanbases in MMA and it would have sold more on PPV and more at the gate than taking on some random Brazilian only hardcore MMA fans knew about, who was looking unstoppable. Why did he go after Eddie Alvarez instead of a Nate trilogy? Every man and their dog could tell you the bigger fight financially was Nate 3, yet Conor went after the 2nd belt against a wrestler he's supposed to be crap against. What you're willfully ignoring is that regardless of money, Conor has time-after-time chased the biggest athletic/sporting challenge available to him. Facing off against Floyd Mayweather in a boxing ring, the chance to pull off a Rocky-style upset and shock the world, that's the biggest challenge available to him and he took it. The fact you keep harping back to money shows you've no idea what motivates Conor. People keep saying "it's the money" but time and again he has chosen fights that would be less financially beneficial in order to chase *bigger achievements*. As for your edit, Forbes have Conor's net worth at €29 million and his 2016 earnings at $34 million before tax. If the Conor v Floyd PPV sells over 5 million, then Conor will make the €120 million. Gintonious wrote: » Couldn't disagree more. This whole "best combat fighter" in the world crap does my head in. He isn't out to prove that, if he was then he would stay put in MMA. Conor going to boxing to prove he is the best combat athlete? So he will go and compete in K1 next? Or a wrestling championship? Or Jiu Jitsu comp? Or Judo? Or Tae-kwon-do? No, he won't. He wants his money pal, thats number 1 on the list. Your post would be right if I said any of what you think I said. I didn't. What I said was in the eyes of the general public, Floyd is the best combat fighter near Conor's weight class. Staying put in his weight class wouldn't prove anything to the general public who have barely heard of MMA let alone follow it. They don't know who Garry Tonon, Gordon Ryan, Saenchai, Jordan Burroughs, Aaron Pico are either. They've never heard of BJJ or Muay-Thai or freestyle wrestling. They don't know and don't care that Conor would be destroyed if he faced any of them in their discipline (he would be mauled!). The general public barely even know boxing. Ask a 55-year-old who isn't interested in sports to name 2 elite combat fighters and they'll say Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson. They won't say GGG or Errol Spence Jr and they certainly won't say Khabib and Demian Maia. Beating Floyd Mayweather in a boxing ring with all the hooplah surrounding it... in 20 years from now ask the same people and there's a fair chance they'll say "Tyson and that Irish kid McGregor". This fight is not about that for combat fans but combat fans make up a microscopic fraction of the general public. In their eyes, this is MMA v Boxing. This is McGregor v Mayweather. This is to see who is the best fighter on the planet.
StringerBell wrote: » What does Denis Siver have to do with boxing? He is not fighting Floyd Mayweather, at 40 years of age, to prove he is the greatest combat fighter on the planet. It is naive to not acknowledge this is for the money, his MMA fights are a separate issue and it is foolish to the point of willful ignorance to suggest I was conflating the two. ....he is going to quadruple his net worth in one event. It doesn't sound like his net is anything close to $34m if that is true?
Gintonious wrote: » Couldn't disagree more. This whole "best combat fighter" in the world crap does my head in. He isn't out to prove that, if he was then he would stay put in MMA. Conor going to boxing to prove he is the best combat athlete? So he will go and compete in K1 next? Or a wrestling championship? Or Jiu Jitsu comp? Or Judo? Or Tae-kwon-do? No, he won't. He wants his money pal, thats number 1 on the list.
Gamebred wrote: Floyd breaks his hand hes still fighting (and winning)
Gintonious wrote: » If you are referring to MMA fans then that may be true, if you are referring to boxing fans (who are combat sports fans) the vast majority do not see it as picturesque as you put it. You've been in the boxing forum, you've seen the reaction there, this is about money, plain and simple. Trying to put the spin on it as you have is admirable, but it seriously falls short of the majority of what MMA fighters and boxers have said. For MMA fans its along the lines of "Fair play to conor, he is getting in there and getting his money". Boxing doesn't need this fight, you referenced yourself above that if a 55 year old was asked about to name 2 elite combat fighters and they'll say Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson, 2 boxers. And past 12 months have had plenty of great fights along with GGG vs Canelo on the horizon. This is, and always will be, about money. He went after Alvarez because he could get the 2 belts and leverage that for more money from the UFC in the future, and he used it to leverage them to let him fight Mayweather.
Ultimate Seduction wrote: » As with most professional sports people, it's equally about both money and glory. You don't see many footballers go to the US or China during there peak years, even though they could easily triple there earnings. They want to win champions league's and ****. I'm sure Floyd wants the 50-0 badly too. If it were just for money he wouldn't have to train or anything. Just turn up and win or lose,collect a cheque. Elite Pro sports stars don't think like us fools. They want leagacys to live on as long as possible.
wonderfullife wrote: » Your post would be right if I said any of what you think I said. I didn't. What I said was in the eyes of the general public, Floyd is the best combat fighter near Conor's weight class. Staying put in his weight class wouldn't prove anything to the general public who have barely heard of MMA let alone follow it. They don't know who Garry Tonon, Gordon Ryan, Saenchai, Jordan Burroughs, Aaron Pico are either. They've never heard of BJJ or Muay-Thai or freestyle wrestling. They don't know and don't care that Conor would be destroyed if he faced any of them in their discipline (he would be mauled!). The general public barely even know boxing. Ask a 55-year-old who isn't interested in sports to name 2 elite combat fighters and they'll say Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson. They won't say GGG or Errol Spence Jr and they certainly won't say Khabib and Demian Maia. Beating Floyd Mayweather in a boxing ring with all the hooplah surrounding it... in 20 years from now ask the same people and there's a fair chance they'll say "Tyson and that Irish kid McGregor".This fight is not about that for combat fans but combat fans make up a microscopic fraction of the general public. In their eyes, this is MMA v Boxing. This is McGregor v Mayweather. This is to see who is the best fighter on the planet.
walshb wrote: » Crazy that you still are swallowing this "belief" from Conor.... He hopes/prays. He does not know or believe, and the garbage stage scripted pressers should have been the nail in the coffin.
wonderfullife wrote: » What I said was in the eyes of the general public, Floyd is the best combat fighter near Conor's weight class. Staying put in his weight class wouldn't prove anything to the general public who have barely heard of MMA let alone follow it.
wonderfullife wrote: » He's doing this because he thinks he will beat Floyd and go down in infamy.
Sweet Science wrote: » Wasnt he getting stick from people saying his legs were gone before that ? Mosley Ortiz Hatton Canelo he was basically flat footed standing in front of them . Defence 1st granted but he didnt 'run' either.
wonderfullife wrote: » What do you think he fought Dennis Siver for? It's the most intellectually lazy argument to say "he's doing it for the money"... Every single professional fighter fights for the money, otherwise they'd be amateurs. In the eyes of you and me - the best combat fighters in the world somewhere near Conor's weight class are: Cody Garbrandt, Dominick Cruz, TJ Dillashaw, Max Holloway, Jose Aldo, Tony Ferguson, Khabib, Justin Gaethje,Tyron Woodley and Demain Maia. They'd all strangle and destroy boxers/kickboxers etc. In the eyes of the wider general public, who know very little about combat sports.. the best combat fighter near his weight class is Floyd Mayweather. Telling me "he's doing it for the money" is meaningless. He fights for money. He's doing this because, quite rightly, it's an opportunity to go down in the public consciousness as the 'baddest dude on the planet' - The guy who can beat anyone in any combat sport. The fact that that's not even remotely true - and that Conor would get mauled by Garry Tonon, Saenchai, Jordan Burrough's under their own rulesets etc - won't matter. The general public don't know (and don't care) about BJJ, Muay Thai, Freestyle wrestling. It's as simple as this - if Conor beats Floyd in a boxing ring he will soon reach a Cristiano Ronaldo level of fame and his name will forever be associated with excellence in combat sport. He can make $100 million in the next 3 years easily just sticking to MMA, he made $34 million last year. Every fight he takes is for money. He's doing this because he thinks he will beat Floyd and go down in infamy.
walshb wrote: » That is what he said against Guerrero and he didn't really do that...... Toe to toe he said, and yet he went moving and moving... He's a bullsh1tter, but really, he more than should be able to toe toe to toe James Toney style here and beat Conor up.
StringerBell wrote: » He is doing it for the money, plain and simple. If he wanted to simply prove he was the best combat fighter in the world right now he would not be taking on a 40 year old. There is no shame in calling this out for what it is, this is a business venture for both men. The fight is secondary and the title of best combat fighter in the world is not up for grabs here. There is nothing wrong with that, if both men can convince people to give them multiples millions to do this then why not.
Sweet Science wrote: » Floyd is standing right in front of Conor. Flat footed . That is a certainty .
wonderfullife wrote: » Yeah but Floyd is 49-0 against all the top boxers with the same basics and fundamentals. So that's not a positive argument for Conor to try fight like a traditional southpaw boxer. He's as well sticking to his karate stance and fighting at a distance he's accustomed to. It'd be at least something Floyd has never seen before.
wonderfullife wrote: » This is correct. A win for Conor is a) KO'ing him b) stopping him c) decision win. Anything else is a defeat. Conor isn't doing this just for money or moral victories, he's doing it because he wants to prove he's the best combat fighter in the world. But if you want to discuss scenario's where Conor can emerge with a ton of credit in an actual defeat then there's not many. 1. A close decision or split decision loss. 115-113's in there. 2. Having at least one 10-8 round where he drops Floyd or forces a standing-8-count. 3. Recovering from being dropped himself in an earlier round to take a couple of later rounds on the scorecards. It depends where you set the bar. If you believe the fight is a joke/circus where Conor has 0 chance, then he gets credit for far less. But I'm treating this almost the same way I would treat Conor v Ferguson, so he'd have to show me a lot to get credit for a defeat.
Gintonious wrote: » He can do whatever he sees fit of course, but going in against a seasoned pro like Floyd, and looking at pretty much all the top boxers in the world right now, they all have the same basics and fundamentals down, and that is for a reason.
