cloudatlas wrote: » billybonkers wrote: » 4 weeks of it there Exactly and it's a 12-week high performance training program.
billybonkers wrote: » 4 weeks of it there
Gintonious wrote: » If its sanctioned then it is a fight, simple as.
Gintonious wrote: » To be honest you want Floyd to fight a fight that he doesn't fight. Being overly cautious is how he has the record he has, and the scalps that came with that. He probably could well stand in front of him and dice him up, but if he chooses not to or sees reason not to, I fail to see that as a bad thing.
wonderfullife wrote: » This is correct.A win for Conor is a) KO'ing him b) stopping him c) decision win. Anything else is a defeat. Conor isn't doing this just for money or moral victories, he's doing it because he wants to prove he's the best combat fighter in the world. But if you want to discuss scenario's where Conor can emerge with a ton of credit in an actual defeat then there's not many. 1. A close decision or split decision loss. 115-113's in there. 2. Having at least one 10-8 round where he drops Floyd or forces a standing-8-count. 3. Recovering from being dropped himself in an earlier round to take a couple of later rounds on the scorecards. It depends where you set the bar. If you believe the fight is a joke/circus where Conor has 0 chance, then he gets credit for far less. But I'm treating this almost the same way I would treat Conor v Ferguson, so he'd have to show me a lot to get credit for a defeat.
walshb wrote: » Yes, but being cautious and careful against pro boxers with real pedigree I can understand. Simple: Floyd is the career pro great boxer Conor is the complete novice pro. Apologies for setting Floyd's bar so high here.... Realistically Floyd deserves 0 credit here no matter how he wins because there is nothing at all to credit an ATG in beating a "no-hoper-novice-pro." I never said x/y or z was a bad thing. I simply said that he loses (or better to describe it as Conor "wins") should the bout be as I described in some of the scenarios.
Gintonious wrote: » While Conor os a complete novice in the boxing sense, he has knocked people out before, and won titles. Thats why I think Mayweather should box as he does and play out a game plan that he sees fit.
walshb wrote: » We have been over this many times. What titles did he win? Are you talking about an amateur Dublin Novice Titles in 2006? And, he is a novice as regards being a pro? Let's not pretend that he has any pedigree here whatsoever. He does not. Looks like you are as bad as Floyd trying to kind of sell this as a legitimate fight... The only way Conor can legally-officially win is by actually winning..... I am talking about winning in the moral/credit sense, hence my inverted commas for "win" and my mentioning/implying this in my original post. Floyd cannot win in any sense because the very nature of this event prevents him from doing so. I won't say he is 50-0 after his hand is raised. I don't really care what the officials say as regards Floyd's record.
Gintonious wrote: » I was referring to his UFC titles knock outs there, not in boxing. Novices count for **** all, sure I even trained for them in Dublin! .
everlast75 wrote: » In my opinion FM won't give a **** about what type of victory he gets, his record and the cash is all that matters and that's why he will fight light normal, make the fight boring and take no risks
Gintonious wrote: » What does he stand to make from this? $200-$250 Mill? He wouldn't be living up to the "Money" Mayweather persona well if he turned this down.
Gintonious wrote: » Exactly. I'd be the first to give him credit if he looks like a pro, moves around like a pro and generally looks the part. But it would not be any sort of moral victory, no chance.
wonderfullife wrote: » From everything I've heard and seen, I'm fully expecting Conor to look like a pro Mixed Martial Artist in there. It's a boxing ring, boxing rules, boxing ref but he's fully allowed have whatever stance he wants, keep whatever distance and range he wants etc. I'm looking forward to seeing what adjustments he has made in his weight distribution. In MMA he's heavy on his lead leg and his center of gravity is a bit lower to allow him to sprawl or level change. He doesn't have to worry about kicks to his lead leg or takedowns so they need to find the right balance in his weight distribution. In theory he should be able to sit down on his punches a bit more but that, obviously, leaves him more vulnerable to counters and it'll also be more exhausting. I really think it'll be a fascinating and entertaining fight but then again I've rewatched Mayweather-Pacquiao a few times and I really liked that fight, too.
Gintonious wrote: » He can do whatever he sees fit of course, but going in against a seasoned pro like Floyd, and looking at pretty much all the top boxers in the world right now, they all have the same basics and fundamentals down, and that is for a reason.
wonderfullife wrote: » This is correct. A win for Conor is a) KO'ing him b) stopping him c) decision win. Anything else is a defeat. Conor isn't doing this just for money or moral victories, he's doing it because he wants to prove he's the best combat fighter in the world. But if you want to discuss scenario's where Conor can emerge with a ton of credit in an actual defeat then there's not many. 1. A close decision or split decision loss. 115-113's in there. 2. Having at least one 10-8 round where he drops Floyd or forces a standing-8-count. 3. Recovering from being dropped himself in an earlier round to take a couple of later rounds on the scorecards. It depends where you set the bar. If you believe the fight is a joke/circus where Conor has 0 chance, then he gets credit for far less. But I'm treating this almost the same way I would treat Conor v Ferguson, so he'd have to show me a lot to get credit for a defeat.
wonderfullife wrote: » Yeah but Floyd is 49-0 against all the top boxers with the same basics and fundamentals. So that's not a positive argument for Conor to try fight like a traditional southpaw boxer. He's as well sticking to his karate stance and fighting at a distance he's accustomed to. It'd be at least something Floyd has never seen before.
Sweet Science wrote: » Floyd is standing right in front of Conor. Flat footed . That is a certainty .
StringerBell wrote: » He is doing it for the money, plain and simple. If he wanted to simply prove he was the best combat fighter in the world right now he would not be taking on a 40 year old. There is no shame in calling this out for what it is, this is a business venture for both men. The fight is secondary and the title of best combat fighter in the world is not up for grabs here. There is nothing wrong with that, if both men can convince people to give them multiples millions to do this then why not.
walshb wrote: » That is what he said against Guerrero and he didn't really do that...... Toe to toe he said, and yet he went moving and moving... He's a bullsh1tter, but really, he more than should be able to toe toe to toe James Toney style here and beat Conor up.
wonderfullife wrote: » What do you think he fought Dennis Siver for? It's the most intellectually lazy argument to say "he's doing it for the money"... Every single professional fighter fights for the money, otherwise they'd be amateurs. In the eyes of you and me - the best combat fighters in the world somewhere near Conor's weight class are: Cody Garbrandt, Dominick Cruz, TJ Dillashaw, Max Holloway, Jose Aldo, Tony Ferguson, Khabib, Justin Gaethje,Tyron Woodley and Demain Maia. They'd all strangle and destroy boxers/kickboxers etc. In the eyes of the wider general public, who know very little about combat sports.. the best combat fighter near his weight class is Floyd Mayweather. Telling me "he's doing it for the money" is meaningless. He fights for money. He's doing this because, quite rightly, it's an opportunity to go down in the public consciousness as the 'baddest dude on the planet' - The guy who can beat anyone in any combat sport. The fact that that's not even remotely true - and that Conor would get mauled by Garry Tonon, Saenchai, Jordan Burrough's under their own rulesets etc - won't matter. The general public don't know (and don't care) about BJJ, Muay Thai, Freestyle wrestling. It's as simple as this - if Conor beats Floyd in a boxing ring he will soon reach a Cristiano Ronaldo level of fame and his name will forever be associated with excellence in combat sport. He can make $100 million in the next 3 years easily just sticking to MMA, he made $34 million last year. Every fight he takes is for money. He's doing this because he thinks he will beat Floyd and go down in infamy.
Sweet Science wrote: » Wasnt he getting stick from people saying his legs were gone before that ? Mosley Ortiz Hatton Canelo he was basically flat footed standing in front of them . Defence 1st granted but he didnt 'run' either.
wonderfullife wrote: » He's doing this because he thinks he will beat Floyd and go down in infamy.
StringerBell wrote: » What does Denis Siver have to do with boxing? He is not fighting Floyd Mayweather, at 40 years of age, to prove he is the greatest combat fighter on the planet. It is naive to not acknowledge this is for the money, his MMA fights are a separate issue and it is foolish to the point of willful ignorance to suggest I was conflating the two. ....he is going to quadruple his net worth in one event. It doesn't sound like his net is anything close to $34m if that is true?
Gintonious wrote: » Couldn't disagree more. This whole "best combat fighter" in the world crap does my head in. He isn't out to prove that, if he was then he would stay put in MMA. Conor going to boxing to prove he is the best combat athlete? So he will go and compete in K1 next? Or a wrestling championship? Or Jiu Jitsu comp? Or Judo? Or Tae-kwon-do? No, he won't. He wants his money pal, thats number 1 on the list.
walshb wrote: » Crazy that you still are swallowing this "belief" from Conor.... He hopes/prays. He does not know or believe, and the garbage stage scripted pressers should have been the nail in the coffin.
