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How safe do you feel in Ireland?

freshpopcorn

I recently read a post Facebook page in which a woman was saying the death penalty should be reintroduced because Ireland is such a dangerous place compared to China because they have the death penalty and murder doesn't happen in China because of it. She also went on to claim that we murder lots of out elderly and Ireland is far more dangerous than New York to live.

I generally feel very safe in Ireland!

How safe do you feel in Ireland?

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CB19Kevo

Stats speak for themselves,Overall safe but we should always aim to improve,plenty juvenile and petty crime not being dealt with, Alcohol of course playing its part in much of that.

But yes overall Ireland is very safe by world and European standards.

Heckler

44 years old. Wandering Cork city. One punch from a scummer when I was 17.

Spent a fair bit of time in Dublin years back. Not living but visiting and out every weekend there. Never felt threatened. Brushed aside the junkies who are no threat at all.

Yeah, We live in a safe country overall.

If you can keep your wits about you while out at night you'll be fine.

maninasia

Dublin is rough at night, so are most cities in Ireland and the UK. Especially weekends.
A lot of drunk people and a lot of people spoiling for a fight.

There's a high rate of petty thievery and burglary in Ireland , even in the countryside (farmers now lock everything down abd are quite suspicious of strangers because of so many burglaries , it's changed hugely since 30 years ago) and of course loads of junkies hanging around Dublin city center. Beggars hanging around ATMs mooching for money.

Its been like that for probably 30 or 40 years and just cycles up or down.

PS many of the schools are rough in Ireland, a lot of violence was tolerated up until the 90s, I don't know what's it'd like now.

Jim Bob Scratcher

I feel relatively safe to a certain extent but then I read about cases like this

http://connachttribune.ie/galway-man-can-finally-come-home-five-years-attack-left-brain-injuries-212/

Heckler

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

I feel relatively safe to a certain extent but then I read about cases like this

http://connachttribune.ie/galway-man-can-finally-come-home-five-years-attack-left-brain-injuries-212/

Horrific that someone would do that but I would think its fairly rare.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Heckler wrote: »

Horrific that someone would do that but I would think its fairly rare.

I know but that's country we live in. This shouldn't be happening here. I only came across this story yesterday and I googled the lad's name and the pictures are heartbreaking

. Yet the scumbag who did this only got 2 and half years in prison, where is the justice ? :mad:

_Roz_

I've always felt very safe. I live in Cork (not from here originally), and ever since I was a first year undergrad I've wandered all over the place by myself late at night and never felt unsafe. The only time I ever felt a little unsafe was when I was walking from the city centre out to Victoria Cross (half hour walk) at about 2am and a guy followed behind me the whole way. He turned out to be a student living in the block of apartments across from me. Nice guy.

DaniilKharms

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

I know but that's country we live in. This shouldn't be happening here. I only came across this story yesterday and I googled the lad's name and the pictures are heartbreaking . Yet the scumbag who did this only got 2 and half years in prison, where is the justice ? :mad:

Where should it be happening?

Two lads get in a fight, one of them gets injured - that happens everywhere. Yes it's tragic, but it's got nothing to do with Ireland. As many people die EVERY FIVE WEEKS at the end of a gun in the US, as died on 9/11.

Ireland is ridiculously safe.

DaniilKharms

maninasia wrote: »

Dublin is rough at night, so are most cities in Ireland and the UK. Especially weekends.
A lot of drunk people and a lot of people spoiling for a fight.

There's a high rate of petty thievery and burglary in Ireland , even in the countryside (farmers now lock everything down abd are quite suspicious of strangers because of so many burglaries , it's changed hugely since 30 years ago) and of course loads of junkies hanging around Dublin city center. Beggars hanging around ATMs mooching for money.

Its been like that for probably 30 or 40 years and just cycles up or down.

PS many of the schools are rough in Ireland, a lot of violence was tolerated up until the 90s, I don't know what's it'd like now.

When I was a kid in America I saw two people shot to death, I was caught in a race riot, and a local empty lot was covered in white crosses for everyone that been shot dead that year in the city.

I'm SURE schools here can be rough, but... schools shootings? School knifings? Schools deaths? They're not a thing. In other places they are.

That's not an excuse to not do better, but a reality check - Ireland is EXTREMELY safe!

maninasia

Depends which school.you go.
The question was 'do you feel safe'?
In the school I went to I'm pretty sure a lot of kids didn't feel too safe.
A beating is a beating.

maninasia

Two guys have been killed in Swords coming out of nightclubs in the last couple of months.
Both weekend incidents after pub/club closing time as far as I can make out.

endacl

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I all ready researched these.
I just wanted to know did Boards user feel the same as this woman.

No. We're smarter than her.

DaniilKharms

maninasia wrote: »

Depends which school.you go.
The question was 'do you feel safe'?
In the school I went to I'm pretty sure a lot of kids didn't feel too safe.
A beating is a beating.

Yeah, but a beating isn't a shooting or a knifing.

I know fear ain't great, and no one should have to live in it, but as it stands, what percentage of Irish kids have to be taught how to interact with the guards to lesson the very real chances of being shot dead?

How many Irish kids learn to shelter in place to protect themselves from gunmen?

How many Irish kids turn on their TV at night and see news stories about kids being gunned down on a public street?

Oh and hey, you ALSO have to worry about being beaten up, just to keep things interesting.

My home town was so violent HBO made a documentary about it, and the national press wrote stories about the neighbourhood my school was in, calling it literally a "war zone" (NYTimes).

No one wants to be afraid, and schools should do more to prevent that, but safety is RELATIVE, and relatively Ireland is a walk in the park.

maninasia

You understate the level of violence that can go on in some areas of Ireland. Just cos they weren't shooting each other to death doesn't mean wildly safe buddy.
There's a hard edge to Irish and British culture.
I saw teachers beat students and students beat teachers.
Theres loads of deprived areas that are dodgy as hell. I had lots of mates who would get beaten up regularly just walking home. I and family members were mugged aswell. I remember a friend of mine would literally run through.his estate to avoid getting mugged. There were also kinifing incidents although serious ones were thankfully fairly rare in my hood. Some kids did bring knives to school though.

If.you grew up in the 80s in Ireland you saw stories about shooting and bombingd every single night in the North of Ireland and the UK.

wotzgoingon

DaniilKharms wrote: »

maninasia wrote: »

Depends which school.you go.
The question was 'do you feel safe'?
In the school I went to I'm pretty sure a lot of kids didn't feel too safe.
A beating is a beating.

Yeah, but a beating isn't a shooting or a knifing.

I know fear ain't great, and no one should have to live in it, but as it stands, what percentage of Irish kids have to be taught how to interact with the guards to lesson the very real chances of being shot dead?

How many Irish kids learn to shelter in place to protect themselves from gunmen?

How many Irish kids turn on their TV at night and see news stories about kids being gunned down on a public street?

Oh and hey, you ALSO have to worry about being beaten up, just to keep things interesting.

My home town was so violent HBO made a documentary about it, and the national press wrote stories about the neighbourhood my school was in, calling it literally a "war zone" (NYTimes).

No one wants to be afraid, and schools should do more to prevent that, but safety is RELATIVE, and relatively Ireland is a walk in the park.

Where are you from south central LA. Compton to be more precise.

Sin City

I live in Limerick and even walking through the city at night I have always felt safe

DaniilKharms

maninasia wrote: »

You understate the level of violence that can go on I'm some areas of Ireland. Just cos they weren't shooting each other to death doesn't mean wildly safe buddy.

I don't at all.

If anything you're grossly overstating it, claiming a few bad spots are representative of the whole.

Here's the truth:

Ireland is 66th out of 86 in Murders - very, very low.

Ireland is 39th out of 44 in Intentional Homicides - near the bottom.

Ireland is 32nd out of 66 in Assaults - middle of the pack.

Ireland is 30th out of 37 murders per capita - so again, near the bottom.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Ireland/Crime

On the other hand (click the link) Ireland has relatively HIGH fear of crime stats, which are irrational, relative to the VERY LOW violent crime stats.

And that's probably due to the fact that the media sensationalises every single crime, so that people are scared for no good reason.

Put it another way, Ireland had a whopping total of 38 murders in 2016.

On the other hand, the state that I grew up in, which has 1.6M FEWER people than the country of Ireland, had 181 murders last year. The capital city ALONE had 42 murders, more than the entire country of Ireland.

So no, Ireland is not unsafe, at all.

It's in fact extremely safe, aside from a few places.

Lose the fear, it's based on nothing.

DaniilKharms

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Where are you from south central LA. Compton to be more precise.

Nope. Arkansas.

That's the thing, people think crime in America is in places like Compton and not in the flyover states, but it's EVERYWHERE.

Here's one article I found with a simple google search.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/31/us/teen-age-gangs-are-inflicting-lethal-violence-on-small-cities.html?pagewanted=all&mcubz=1

And sure, there's this:

http://www.citiesjournal.com/5-reasons-why-little-rock-is-the-most-dangerous-city-in-the-us/

Here's the HBO doco in question... i was in high school at this point.

maninasia

You are some arrogant SOB

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I know what it was like because I grew up there.. I
i forgot to mention I also dealt out violence which I'm not proud of. There were also gangs in our neighbourhood.

Stats don't mean anything to individuals who have to live in deprived areas or take the dodgy bus home to them everyday or go ti the dodgy school.

Saying something is relative doesnt mean anything to people who face the threat of violence themselves. I have lived in many countries and Ireland is at the rough end of the spectrum mainly due to the drinking culture and an acceptance of low level violence in schools and on the football pitch. No surprise Conor McGregor is Irish believe me

DaniilKharms

maninasia wrote: »

You are some arrogant SOB .

I know what it was like because I grew up there.. I
i forgot to mention I also dealt out violence which I'm not proud of.

Stats don't mean anything to individuals who have to live in deprived areas or take the dodgy bus home to them everyday or go ti the dodgy school.

Saying something is relative doesnt mean anything to people who face the threat of violence themselves. I have lived in many countries and Ireland is at the rough end of the spectrum mainly due to the drinking culture and an acceptance of low level violence in schools and on the football pitch. No surprise Conor McGregor is Irish believe me .

Like I said, the stats show that the only thing Ireland has a lot of is FEAR of violence.

Dodgy buses not withstanding, you're safe here. I have to travel a lot for my work and know that the drinks culture here is you know, pretty extreme, but even that is nothing compared to some other places

What the Irish should do is get a bit of a grip. The stats should make everyone feel pretty safe. You may have it rough in school, getting beaten up, etc., but that exists all over the place. On the other hand, the chances of actually dying, or being seriously injured, are extremely low. If you're letting media hype scare you, stop.

Ever been pistol whipped? I have. When I was 17. Held up at gun point? I have, on at least 5 occasions.

My kids can literally walk to school here and it's utterly safe. Let your kids do that where I went to school and you'd be a nut.

Again, I know there's dodgy places, but you have to look at the whole picture. Ireland is EXTREMELY safe.

maninasia

I've lived in extremely safe places that one can walk anywhere at anytime, I would not characterise Ireland as extremely safe mainly because of the problems related to alcohol and drug abuse and yes too much tolerance of violence in schools.

We Irish have a love hate relationship with alcohol, alcohol is a depressant unfortunately.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/70000-crimes-directly-linked-to-alcohol-153726.html

Billy86

maninasia wrote: »

I've lived in extremely safe places that one can walk anywhere at anytime, I would not characterise Ireland as extremely safe mainly because of the problems related to alcohol and drug abuse and yes too much tolerance of violence in schools.

We Irish have a love hate relationship with alcohol, alcohol is a depressant unfortunately.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/70000-crimes-directly-linked-to-alcohol-153726.html

I lived in Toronto which is routinely in the top 10-15 safest cities in the world list. When I first got there I was staying in a backpacker hostel near downtown, one of the lads there came back from the pub one night to someone semi conscious, bleeding from the neck from a stabbing. Someone else got attacked badly with a machete about 100m from my apartment. There was a double homicide (shooting) in a bar around the corner from where I lived. Two lads got convinced to go down an alley one night by two girls, then got hopped on, mugged and stabbed about a 3 minute walk from me. This was all within the span of a year and about a 300m radius.

I also lived on Sydney which against ranks in the top 10 very commonly, when I was there biker gang shootings were happening almost daily, and the eagerness for a fight from people on a night out was well beyond what you see in Dublin.

Millions of people live in cities, and while it's not nice this stuff does happen - even in the safe ones.

DaniilKharms

maninasia wrote: »

I've lived in extremely safe places that one can walk anywhere at anytime, I would not characterise Ireland as extremely safe mainly because of the problems related to alcohol and drug abuse and yes too much tolerance of violence in schools.

We Irish have a love hate relationship with alcohol, alcohol is a depressant unfortunately.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/70000-crimes-directly-linked-to-alcohol-153726.html

Yes, Alcohol is definitely a part of the problem.

Saying that, and again, as the US State Dept says:

Ireland has a "relatively low rate of violent crime":

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/ireland.html

Another study found that Ireland was the 12th safest place in the world to visit:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/worlds-10-safest-countries-to-visit-revealed-but-where-does-ireland-rank-34816356.html

Ahead of "Sweden (14), Australia (15), Germany (16), Norway (17) and the UK (47)".

The murder rate in the US is 241x higher than in Ireland.

Guess what though, the FEAR of crime is almost exactly the same, even though the US (violent and non-violent) crime rate is TWICE as high as Ireland's

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Ireland/United-States/Crime

Unless you can say - other than just you know "gut feeling" - why you think it's unsafe it's hard to really take that fear very seriously.

maninasia

You don't need to look at the stats walk down O Connell street after midnight on the weekend . Then walk around it in the daytime or go down the boardwalk and fend the junkies off.
it never felt particularly safe to me and I'm well able to handle myself.
Toronto and Sydney don't deserve to be in any top ten safe list. There's probably hundreds of cities in Asia that are safer than those two.

maninasia

You don't need to look at the stats walk down O Connell street after midnight on the weekend . Then walk around it in the daytime or go down the boardwalk and fend the junkies off. Then take the luas red line or any number of buses out to the suburbs to join them on their jaunts
It never felt particularly safe to me and I'm well able to handle myself. People can get used to it or semi accept it but I don't think they feel very safe.

Toronto and Sydney don't deserve to be in any top ten safe list. There's probably hundreds of cities in Asia that are safer than those two.

DaniilKharms

maninasia wrote: »

You don't need to look at the stats walk down O Connell street after midnight on the weekend . Then walk around it in the daytime or go down the boardwalk and fend the junkies off.
it never felt particularly safe to me and I'm well able to handle myself.
Toronto and Sydney don't deserve to be in any top ten safe list. There's probably hundreds of cities in Asia that are safer than those two.

That is absolutely not a meaningful way to determine if a city is safe.

maninasia

DaniilKharms wrote: »

maninasia wrote: »

I've lived in extremely safe places that one can walk anywhere at anytime, I would not characterise Ireland as extremely safe mainly because of the problems related to alcohol and drug abuse and yes too much tolerance of violence in schools.

We Irish have a love hate relationship with alcohol, alcohol is a depressant unfortunately.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/70000-crimes-directly-linked-to-alcohol-153726.html

Yes, Alcohol is definitely a part of the problem.

Saying that, and again, as the US State Dept says:

Ireland has a "relatively low rate of violent crime":

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/ireland.html

Another study found that Ireland was the 12th safest place in the world to visit:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/worlds-10-safest-countries-to-visit-revealed-but-where-does-ireland-rank-34816356.html

Ahead of "Sweden (14), Australia (15), Germany (16), Norway (17) and the UK (47)".

The murder rate in the US is 241x higher than in Ireland.

Guess what though, the FEAR of crime is almost exactly the same, even though the US (violent and non-violent) crime rate is TWICE as high as Ireland's

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Ireland/United-States/Crime

Unless you can say - other than just you know "gut feeling" - why you think it's unsafe it's hard to really take that fear very seriously.

Selective quoting there from an article that is a 'peace' index not a 'safety index' or a 'feeling or safety index'.

To be fair the headline is completely misleading.

maninasia

DaniilKharms wrote: »

maninasia wrote: »

You don't need to look at the stats walk down O Connell street after midnight on the weekend . Then walk around it in the daytime or go down the boardwalk and fend the junkies off.
it never felt particularly safe to me and I'm well able to handle myself.
Toronto and Sydney don't deserve to be in any top ten safe list. There's probably hundreds of cities in Asia that are safer than those two.

That is absolutely not a meaningful way to determine if a city is safe.

It's not? Why pray is it not a meaningful way?
I recall walking around Times Square in the daytime and nighttime 20 years ago and riding the subway. The place was dodgy as hell you'd know within 5 mins.
Went back years later and it felt a lot safer. And the stats back that up.

Subjective assesment is all about feeling, which is the topic of this thread.

maninasia

DaniilKharms wrote: »

maninasia wrote: »

You don't need to look at the stats walk down O Connell street after midnight on the weekend . Then walk around it in the daytime or go down the boardwalk and fend the junkies off.
it never felt particularly safe to me and I'm well able to handle myself.
Toronto and Sydney don't deserve to be in any top ten safe list. There's probably hundreds of cities in Asia that are safer than those two.

That is absolutely not a meaningful way to determine if a city is safe.

friedhof

did anyone hear about the attack on children (by refugees) at lough mask (mayo)last weekend?>

no you didnt hear about it because the locals intervened and dished out some mayo-style justice,

the perpatrators are unavailable for court

mayo people are very defensive of their childer, let that mesage spread far and away and the next time leo traitor varadker sends delinquints down our way we'll hang him from a fukiiin tree,