Cork Truck Driver wrote: » I ain't holding my breath here.http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/500m-extra-per-year-boosts-cork-limerick-motorway-hopes-454682.html
marno21 wrote: » There is far too much momentum behind the M20 now, it'll likely be progressed with the Capital Plan review. It's the most discussed and pushed road scheme at the minute, and Varadkar isn't going to gain anything by advancing the N5 Ballaghaderreen-Strokestown or similar instead of it. Hopefully full planning to resume in 2018 and ready to go for 2022.
betistuc wrote: » You do mean we'll be driving on it by 2022...... don't you!!!!:o
touts wrote: » We're a few months away from an election. So the outgoing government publish an infrastructure plan that contains the M20. After the next election it will turn out that the money won't be available because of economic downturn or overruns in a project in Dublin so the M20 will be mothballed And then in a few years we'll be a few months away from an election. So the outgoing government publish an infrastructure plan that contains the M20. After that election it will turn out that the money won't be available because of economic downturn or overruns in a project in Dublin so the M20 will be mothballed And then in a few years........ We're trapped in a political version of the Twilight Zone.
source wrote: » But isn't the next scheduled general election in 2021? So that would be 48 months ... ah yeah, just around the corner so.
Cork Truck Driver wrote: » supply and confidence agreement is for 3 years.
road_high wrote: » Meanwhile he nursed along the N5 from obscurity and probably the M17 also !
Water John wrote: » Michael Noonan saw no reason to travel to Cork.
betistuc wrote: » "Leo may have a different outlook on this. He has mentioned the M20 and Metro North (in the sense of building them as opposed to trotting out rubbish about excessive costs) more times in the last month than Enda did in a whole 6 years" Can I just quickly ask, what are these motorways to the North West and North that Leo was on about very recently? North one is A5 presumably!
captainspeed wrote: » Yes, I'd love to know the same, I can only assume it's the A5 to Derry or something like that. In all fairness, the North West does not have the population density to justify a motorway anywhere. Good quality single carriageway and/or 2+2 bypasses will be more than adequate, and of course should be done where necessary. If they upped the speed limit on the 2+2s to 110 then there would be even less of a disadvantage over not having a motorway - after all most dual carriageways are similar in standard to a 2+2 yet they are deemed suitable for 70 mph or 113 km/h so no reason why we couldn't allow 110 on our 2+2s. The M20 is easily the biggest gap on our road network, it's beyond embarrassing that there is such a poor standard of road between our second and third biggest cities. I get the feeling from what Varadkar and the others in Government have been saying that this has built up enough momentum for something proper to be done about this in the next 2-3 years, but being realistic we're still not going to have a motorway between Cork and Limerick until 2025 at the earliest.
captainspeed wrote: » In all fairness, the North West does not have the population density to justify a motorway anywhere. Good quality single carriageway and/or 2+2 bypasses will be more than adequate, and of course should be done where necessary. If they upped the speed limit on the 2+2s to 110 then there would be even less of a disadvantage over not having a motorway - after all most dual carriageways in the UK are similar in standard to a 2+2 yet they are deemed suitable for 70 mph or 113 km/h so no reason why we couldn't allow 110 on our 2+2s.
Donegal Storm wrote: » Derry/Letterkenny/Strabane triangle has a population of ~150k, there's only handful of other locations in the country that compare yet transport links are absolutely pitiful and comparable to third world. Fully agreed that the M20 is a bigger priority but once it's finally built the NW will be the glaring gap in our modern transport network.
marno21 wrote: » Lot of newspaper articles about the Indecon report by Limerick/Cork chambers in the last week, however there is one mistake being widely reported. A lot of reports, including that by RTE, state that the M20 will reap €128m worth of economic benefits to the exchequer. This is wrong. The figure is actually €128m per annum. An initial investment of €700m-1bn will result in that. That's an annual return on investment of between 12% and 16% per annum, in addition to the other facts such as reducing the number of accidents along the corridor by 118 per year, yes 118! I'd love to see the figures on the Listowel bypass to say that it is deserving of funding vs this. Impressively depressing how this is a scheme not considered worthwhile.
Cork Truck Driver wrote: » Now that is interesting. It'd pay for itself in about 8 years.
Water John wrote: » Thanks Marno. Haven't seen their report but it possibly doesn't include the concept of the duo of cities linked by motorway, acting as a counterbalance to Dublin in national terms. This will ease infrastructure and costs in the Dublin area. Ha, you could argue and you'd be right that, it's in Dublin's interest to have the motorway M20 completed.
marno21 wrote: » Dunkettle Interchange would pay for itself within 2/3 years and it's being advanced at glacier rate. Same with M28. Low benefit political projects took centre stage under the Kenny government. Maybe there might be a change now.
Cork Truck Driver wrote: » Kenny's "Cork got its motorway to Dublin" remark was the straw that broke the camels back with people in both Cork and Limerick. I haven't looked at the plans as yet on the Dunkettle interchange. I think the uproar in Rochestown is partially to blame for the delay there. You'd think with the government banging on about emissions so much that this road being built would actually help reduce it all.
Water John wrote: » The outer North Link should also be completed as part of the puzzle.
