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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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seligehgit

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Cork are a mid table Division 2 team.

So far we have lost to Galway, also division 2, and struggled against Clare and Derry, also division 2.

Forget about last year or the last 5 years. All the evidence points to us struggling to put Division 2 teams away.

The only way I see us beating Cork is if they run out of steam. Footballing wise, we've been awful this year in the championship, probably even worse than Cork! Anyone looking at us could equally say we are a shambles, certainly after the Derry game.

Ah there's no way we should be approaching the contest like that,if we continue our incremental improvement in form we should beat Cork.We have got to believe we have superior footballers.Cork are a division two team for a reason and although we are oft struggling over the line,we're getting over the line

They were very poor against Waterford and Tipperary.Only for Quinlavin's injury/Comerford's absence and Tipp's inability to cope when Cork pushed up the kickouts in the second half the result would likely have been very different.

Cork are dangerous opposition and undoubtedly could turn us over but we've got to be quietly confident.

I'm very worried about any Kerry contest,a slow start could condemn us to sorry defeat.That league game down in Tralee greatly concerns me.We should have been beaten out the door at half time and they were minus so many championship starters.

All that said no more than ourselves they certainly can be got at defensively.

Westernyelp

km79 wrote:

I'm saying i don't agree with all poor mouthing of our chances It's a game we should and will win

We should win, Yes. We will win, who knows

jr86

He might have been including league. In fairness the Cavan game this year and galway losses the last two years in champ were all occasions we should have won

The Cavan game is quite relevant as it was an important match as league games go

I'd fancy mayo but like the galway match it wouldn't take many intangibles to swing it in cork's favour

km79

jr86 wrote: »

The galway fans are going to have some field day in here if mayo do lose now!

They will anyway
Anyone seen cass this week ?
Nope thought not

jr86

The galway fans are going to have some field day in here if mayo do lose now!

km79

jr86 wrote: »

To be fair he was talking about this year

There's a big difference between mayo this year and 2012-15 in fairness

Definitely not one mayo can take for granted. Cork will be chomping at the bit

He wasn't
He made a general point about mayo losing to teams we expect to beat and beating teams we don't
We would have a few AIs by now if that was the case
I'm fine anyway
Mayo will beat cork with a bit to spare

jr86

km79 wrote: »

Apart from Galway the only team to beat us over the 6 years previous won the AI so that's just rubbish

To be fair he was talking about this year

There's a big difference between mayo this year and 2012-15 in fairness

Definitely not one mayo can take for granted. Cork will be chomping at the bit

km79

franklyon wrote: »

Thats the problem with Mayo, we win games when we don't have a chance in hell and we lose against opposition we should beat out the gate. I don't think Cork are a bad team and with all this criticism I am sure they will have a point to prove.
They also made a fair few goal chances against Kerry and if one or two of them had gone it it might have been a different story

Apart from Galway the only team to beat us over the 6 years previous won the AI so that's just rubbish

Shurimgreat

Cork are a mid table Division 2 team.

So far we have lost to Galway, also division 2, and struggled against Clare and Derry, also division 2.

Forget about last year or the last 5 years. All the evidence points to us struggling to put Division 2 teams away.

The only way I see us beating Cork is if they run out of steam. Footballing wise, we've been awful this year in the championship, probably even worse than Cork! Anyone looking at us could equally say we are a shambles, certainly after the Derry game.

franklyon

km79 wrote: »

Anyway let's see how it goes
I'll be amazed if we don't win

Thats the problem with Mayo, we win games when we don't have a chance in hell and we lose against opposition we should beat out the gate. I don't think Cork are a bad team and with all this criticism I am sure they will have a point to prove.
They also made a fair few goal chances against Kerry and if one or two of them had gone it it might have been a different story

km79

Kalyke wrote: »

Being cautious is not poor mouthing. Far from it.

It's probably more on the blog to be fair
Was the same last year before the likes of Westmeath
We were always going to beat them
It wasn't a dangerous game

Anyway let's see how it goes
I'll be amazed if we don't win

Kalyke

Being cautious is not poor mouthing. Far from it.

km79

Westernyelp wrote: »

Anyone who calls any game a certainty is very naive

I'm not calling it a certainty
Who knows we could score 2 own goals and get a man sent off

I'm saying i don't agree with all poor mouthing of our chances
It's a game we should and will win

Westernyelp

km79 wrote:

There are games where teams can be caught Derry was one , Clare to a lesser extent This is not one of them Cork have shown nothing over the last few years to suggest it and they have gotten worse not better Clare are better than cork and had a bit momentum and we dealt with them

Anyone who calls any game a certainty is very naive

Kalyke

Last year we were 5 to 1 on to beat Galway. And we all knew what happened there!

km79

Kalyke wrote: »

I am speaking from bitter experience!

There are games where teams can be caught
Derry was one , Clare to a lesser extent
This is not one of them
Cork have shown nothing over the last few years to suggest it and they have gotten worse not better
Clare are better than cork and had a bit momentum and we dealt with them

Kalyke

I am speaking from bitter experience!

jasonroche123

Yes Cork are a shambles, I think we could do a job on them, I honestly believe that despite our current form it is still 5/6 points minimum better than them, Tipp should've beaten them comfortably and Cork generally don't do well in the back door

km79

Kalyke wrote: »

All this talk about Quarter Finals? How we not learnt from ours and others past? One game at a time. I for one would not take Cork as an absolute given. I hope Rochford and company feel the same!

We are going to beat Cork
I don't believe anyone with the poor mouthing . We are still one of the top 2/3 teams in the country
Cork are a shambles
Their first half against Tipp was an absolute disgrace from a county with a good football pedigree

Kalyke

All this talk about Quarter Finals? How we not learnt from ours and others past? One game at a time. I for one would not take Cork as an absolute given. I hope Rochford and company feel the same!

Shurimgreat

The only time is to get them in the quarters but it doesn't really matter when we got them this year. They'd hammer us out the gate.

We have to get past Cork yet and that's not a foregone conclusion based on our form this year.

km79

Brendan kealy had left Kerry squad.........very strange timing .......maybe the time to get them is the quarters .......or maybe Donegal will do the job for us cos I wouldn't think Galway would be equipped to do so

maximus15

I've admittedly been one of AOS biggest critics in the last 2 seasons mainly down to been frustrated how he was taken out of his best position of midfield ,but I have to give him massive credit in the last 2 games for firstly his performances and secondly his discipline.

Nearly every occasion he gets on the or looks for the ball , he is either held back by jersey or opponents full body weight on his back and still continues his run until picks out team mate or in the rare event , he hears a whistle giving him a free! . It is no wonder he looks out on his feet near end of game , nothing more energy draining trying to run with hits coming in and been held back when trying to reach full tilt in sprints .

I'm just hoping that maybe the rest of team learn from his reluctance to hit out when frustrated in same way or provoked. Higgins while no concrete proof had to be verbally provoked to lash out at comer, durkan had numerous runs blocked or stopped before he threw a punch, and Harrison was in headlock before he launched into a spear tackle.

In the 3 instances there is no doubting most of us would feel like lashing out in a hotly charged atmosphere like that on a football pitch when playing for your county but in the long run its only the fans and teammates they are letting down with such actions.

I know the big teams and games are still ahead of us and the stakes only get higher along with the pressure but hopefully that's the end of the ill discipline that has blighted the last 3 games. The best way to respond to any provocation by opponents is put in a motm performance and let them sit at home for rest of the summer ,watching mayo progress.

Mayo Club 51

PARlance

flasher0030 wrote: »

I’ve never met him, but he seems a genuine good guy. He must have some level of patience. I don’t know how he doesn’t react to the holding and wrestling that is stowed upon him. I can’t understand why there is no onus for umpires to step up to the mark, and show some kind of pro-active nature in games. They only have a couple of things to think about in a match – wide or not, goal or point, 45 or not, square ball or not. There’s not much else for them to do. Off all of the officials, between the 4 umpires, they have the most time to view what is happening in games. They can see the illegal “tactics” used to quieten the O’SHea’s , Donaghys, Connolly’s of the game. When an umpire is about 5 yards away from Philly McMAhon having a hold of AOS’s jersey, waiting for a high ball to come in, he surely has some responsibility to make the defender aware that he sees what is going on, and if it happens again, he will bring to ref’s attention for a booking. But they just stand there like statues, bellys sticking out through the white coats. They may as well be white strait-jackets they’re wearing.

There are 2 linesmen there too that could be allowed off the line and onto the pitch to help monitor the game. I would be looking to them before the umpires as they're "trained" to do so.

The off the ball stuff has been a big problem for so long that I don't think it's crazy to suggest that the GAA are happy to let it continue... They get great exposure and unreal hype is created about incidents these days. They get front and back pages of coverage the way it is at present.

Shurimgreat

I would say AOS is the most fouled player in Ireland on the field yet doesn't get frees for a quarter of the fouls.

I think everyone including players and officials take the view "the big man can take it". It shouldn't be that way. Big strong players should be given the same level of protection as the likes of JOD or Gooch. Unfortunately you blow on some of the smaller players and they win a free. Someone tries to take AOS's head off and no-one even notices.

yop

flasher0030 wrote: »

I’ve never met him, but he seems a genuine good guy. He must have some level of patience. I don’t know how he doesn’t react to the holding and wrestling that is stowed upon him. I can’t understand why there is no onus for umpires to step up to the mark, and show some kind of pro-active nature in games. They only have a couple of things to think about in a match – wide or not, goal or point, 45 or not, square ball or not. There’s not much else for them to do. Off all of the officials, between the 4 umpires, they have the most time to view what is happening in games. They can see the illegal “tactics” used to quieten the O’SHea’s , Donaghys, Connolly’s of the game. When an umpire is about 5 yards away from Philly McMAhon having a hold of AOS’s jersey, waiting for a high ball to come in, he surely has some responsibility to make the defender aware that he sees what is going on, and if it happens again, he will bring to ref’s attention for a booking. But they just stand there like statues, bellys sticking out through the white coats. They may as well be white strait-jackets they’re wearing.

Agree on that, lads call out AOS, COC, Donaghy, Connolly as been scum and filthy, but if the same keyboard boys put up with the level of abuse they get during a game then they'd pipe a different tune.

AOS must have serious self control not to react.

FullBack Jam

yop wrote: »

Don't expect anything else. If anyone actually met the lad they'd ignore the BS pushed out by the media. Paper doesn't refuse ink and all that, so easy for people to form opinions, most of them wrong, based on that.

The abuse he takes on the pitch and never reacts and the rubbish from the media and wanna be pundits would nearly push a lot of lads out of the game, but fair play to him he has stuck it out and has put in 2 great performances so far this year. But I'm sure Bernadine Flynn and his other wannabes will be waiting in the wings for him to falter.

I’ve never met him, but he seems a genuine good guy. He must have some level of patience. I don’t know how he doesn’t react to the holding and wrestling that is stowed upon him. I can’t understand why there is no onus for umpires to step up to the mark, and show some kind of pro-active nature in games. They only have a couple of things to think about in a match – wide or not, goal or point, 45 or not, square ball or not. There’s not much else for them to do. Off all of the officials, between the 4 umpires, they have the most time to view what is happening in games. They can see the illegal “tactics” used to quieten the O’SHea’s , Donaghys, Connolly’s of the game. When an umpire is about 5 yards away from Philly McMAhon having a hold of AOS’s jersey, waiting for a high ball to come in, he surely has some responsibility to make the defender aware that he sees what is going on, and if it happens again, he will bring to ref’s attention for a booking. But they just stand there like statues, bellys sticking out through the white coats. They may as well be white strait-jackets they’re wearing.

PARlance

He's a CLASS ACT!
Media abuse, selfies, photo shoots... try it sometime!

yop

keane2097 wrote: »

Very gracious response to the hullabaloo by O'Shea.

Don't expect anything else. If anyone actually met the lad they'd ignore the BS pushed out by the media. Paper doesn't refuse ink and all that, so easy for people to form opinions, most of them wrong, based on that.

The abuse he takes on the pitch and never reacts and the rubbish from the media and wanna be pundits would nearly push a lot of lads out of the game, but fair play to him he has stuck it out and has put in 2 great performances so far this year. But I'm sure Bernadine Flynn and his other wannabes will be waiting in the wings for him to falter.