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Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

Syferus

There seems to be a few Rossies on the forum and even though the seniors are done for this year there's still plenty going on, not least the minors great run and the county championship likely to restart very soon.

So. A thread for it all!

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rossie1977

Kerry in 2009 struggled through the qualifiers and yet blitzed Dublin in the quarters so you can't always go on qualifier form especially the top teams. Remember Mayo haven't lost a quarter final since 2009 either while Roscommon have never won one.

Bookies have us as massive underdogs, Boyle have Roscommon at 4/1. I wonder what the odds would be had Mayo beat Galway in Galway by 9 points in Connacht final and we had come through the qualifiers... probably 25/1 lol

RoscommonTom

I dont see anything with the Mayo's this year to be scared of, there cat at the back k so our foewards will get plenty of chances. I hope the talk of them being out foreign is not true, crazy if it is, the Galways giving Donegal a big beating makes us look even better, mayo will be tired after playing the extra time too, time to beat these bastards

rossie1977

nice_guy80 wrote: »

mayo to win this by 5+

good day out for the west anyway next Sunday

Looks like Connachts the strongest province right now

Not sure how to read this game. Mayo have all the experience and an Indian sign over us for nigh on 25 years. They comfortably beat us in the league in second gear yet haven't really impressed in any championship game this year but still they will come in battle hardened while we haven't been tested at all.

nice_guy80

mayo to win this by 5+

good day out for the west anyway next Sunday

blazermel

Well sure by all accounts Mayo supporters have themselves already in the semi final with getting Roscommon in the quarter, if you're to read their disregard for Roscommon on here and other forums. Agreed I didn't want them either given our record against them in recent years but sure maybe it's about time we stand up and break the poor record and affirm ourselves as the competitive team we want to be.

blazermel

Eyes Down Field

So that's it. Roscommon are playing Mayo. Out of the 3 teams that they could have met. Mayo was the one I didn't want for Roscommon. Their Experience, and more specifically experience in Croke Park will stand to them and make them hot favourites.

Syferus

blazermel wrote: »

We do have an awful fear factor of coming across any ways positive...in case we end up with egg on our face. Great news on Murtagh and Compton, any update on ultan's injury?

Harney won't be playing any more IC football this season. Anyone expecting him back doesn't know how much the injury has effected his ability to do basic things like kick the ball.

He had two options with the back injury, surgery or rest. He's chosen resting it, and resting it means no miracle comebacks at county or club in the near future. If rest doesn't solve it surgery will be the only option and that brings with it even longer on the blocks and a very tricky rehab.

blazermel

nice_guy80 wrote: »

don't want to be too positive as we've no chance the next day out...
but, Murtagh and Compton have returned to training

We do have an awful fear factor of coming across any ways positive...in case we end up with egg on our face. Great news on Murtagh and Compton, any update on ultan's injury?

yabadabado

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

Roscommon should have as much self belief as any other provincial champion. If they view Kerry or Dublin like it's a privilege to just be on the pitch with them, to just 'have a day out in Croke Park' Then they will get steamrolled.

Roscommon are 3 wins away from an All Ireland title. Fck the holidays in Ibiza, Now is not the time to take your eyes off the prize

Its gone completely over your head ,hasnt it

Eyes Down Field

Roscommon should have as much self belief as any other provincial champion. If they view Kerry or Dublin like it's a privilege to just be on the pitch with them, to just 'have a day out in Croke Park' Then they will get steamrolled.

Roscommon are 3 wins away from an All Ireland title. Fck the holidays in Ibiza, Now is not the time to take your eyes off the prize

Syferus

Compton will be a great option to have off the bench, he can play any position from 8-15, but like Enda his best position is probably on the wing.

To be frank, of the those really good underage sides, the best four players to my mind were Diarmuid, Enda, Ultan and Cathal Comp. Even more so than Harney we haven't got to see the best of Comp at senior yet and we may have to wait for 2018, but he has bags of potential if we manage his body carefully.

nice_guy80

don't want to be too positive as we've no chance the next day out...
but, Murtagh and Compton have returned to training

blazermel

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

Oldira wrote:

It seems that the entire Roscommon Senior football has gone on a 2 week holiday to Ibiza and are returning on the morning of the quarter final.

I don't like it. It's like they are celebrating now! As if Galway was their All Ireland final, as if the job is done.

They should have the mindset that they are not even half way there. 2 games down 3 games to go.

It doesn't bode well for the quarter final
They could be thinking their race has run

In fairness I think the poster is referring to the talking down of any possibility of Roscommon going any further on the other threads on boards. Which is understandable given our poor championship record in recent years.

I would hope the lads are well focused for the next game and I've no doubt that Mc Stay will want to put together back to back consistent performances from this team.

Eyes Down Field

Oldira wrote:

It seems that the entire Roscommon Senior football has gone on a 2 week holiday to Ibiza and are returning on the morning of the quarter final.

I don't like it. It's like they are celebrating now! As if Galway was their All Ireland final, as if the job is done.

They should have the mindset that they are not even half way there. 2 games down 3 games to go.

It doesn't bode well for the quarter final
They could be thinking their race has run

nice_guy80

Oldira wrote: »

It seems that the entire Roscommon Senior football has gone on a 2 week holiday to Ibiza and are returning on the morning of the quarter final.

How else can one explain the total dissing of their Q/F chances on the Mayo, Donegal and All Ireland discussion treads.:rolleyes:

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Oldira

It seems that the entire Roscommon Senior football has gone on a 2 week holiday to Ibiza and are returning on the morning of the quarter final.

How else can one explain the total dissing of their Q/F chances on the Mayo, Donegal and All Ireland discussion treads.:rolleyes:

megadodge

rossie1977 wrote: »

Success at under 21 level usually correlates with success at senior. Even Kerry the majority of their greatest ever period played in the under 21 finals of 73, 75, 76, 77. The Kerry under 21 teams of 1995-96 and 1998 formed the backbone of the senior winning teams in 97, 2000 and 2004.

How could you possibly forget the final they lost in 1978?????;)

Full of stars.

Always_Running

A lot of plaudits has gone in the direction of Kevin McStay and his management team and rightly so as Roscommon were fit,determined,hungry and very focused on Sunday however it should be noted without all of their underage success i don't think that result/performance would have happened.

In 2010 Roscommon won their first Connacht U21 title since 1999. More U21 Connacht titles followed in 2012,2014,2015 and they should have won the 2013,2016 Connacht U21 finals against Galway,Mayo sides who would go on to win those All Irelands. That underage success is why Rocommon got promoted from div 4 to div 1 and why they are the current senior Connacht champions. The next objective for this Roscommon group of players is to win a championship game in Croke Park (should happen if they avoid Mayo) and gain promotion back to Div one.

dropping_bombs

seabee wrote: »

Roscommon didn't make the Minor Final in 1977.

Ah my mistake. Semi final is what I'm after it appears. I am going to contact what was suggested here and the GAA archives.

Many thanks for all you help.

yabadabado

Yeah seebee is right.They played Mayo in Minor final in 74 and 1980 if that is any use.

seabee

dropping_bombs wrote: »

I am looking for a programme and a picture (ideally) of the Roscommon minor team from 1977 that lost the Connacht final to Mayo. Would any of you be able to point me in the direction of where I might be able to get my hands on this?
!

Roscommon didn't make the Minor Final in 1977.

Stoner

rossie1977 wrote:

How vital the under 21 has been in producing players for the top teams can be summed up in the fact that Rory O'Carroll

Rory O'Carroll and James McCarthy won the under
21 in 2010 and the next year were marking guys like Paul Galvin and Star

Most other lads took a few years to harden to it. That was a particularly unusual occurrence and they are particularly good players if they were both around now they'd both be the best player in their line on the county team. Largly speaking I think lads need to hit the 24 yoa mark

rossie1977

Syferus wrote: »

You're linking correlation and causality there in too strong a way for me to stomach. U20/21 teams always contain a county's best players at that age - there will always be an overlap between them future senior teams.

I don't know many players at senior county level who haven't featured at underage for their county. It's important but let's not act as though it's even essential. Kerry have continually proved that the past two decades.

Success at under 21 level usually correlates with success at senior. Even Kerry the majority of their greatest ever period played in the under 21 finals of 73, 75, 76, 77. The Kerry under 21 teams of 1995-96 and 1998 formed the backbone of the senior winning teams in 97, 2000 and 2004.

Lt Dan

Syferus wrote: »

You're linking correlation and causality there in too strong a way for me to stomach. U20/21 teams always contain a county's best players at that age - there will always be an overlap between them future senior teams.

I don't know many players at senior county level who haven't featured at underage for their county. It's important but let's not act as though it's even essential. Kerry have continually proved that the past two decades.

Look at the Under 21 Kerry team of 1999 that lost to Westmeath. Paul Galvin, he did alright

Syferus

You're linking correlation and causality there in too strong a way for me to stomach. U20/21 teams always contain a county's best players at that age - there will always be an overlap between them future senior teams.

I don't know many players at senior county level who haven't featured at underage for their county. It's important but let's not act as though it's even essential. Kerry have continually proved that the past two decades.

Lt Dan

manofwisdom wrote: »

Shows how much talent is there that they weren't missed.

If i recall right Tommy Carr took over established Div one Roscommon team and he left them in Div 3 then he got his brother in law to take over and the mediocrity continued. Its hugely important that Roscommon don't repeat history now with a panel full of potential, nothing worse than wasting talent and not getting the best out of them for a number of years, Laois a prime example of this.

I think it was said Roscommon had 11 of their starters 24 or under on Sunday and other top young players the likes of Cathal Compton,Ultan Harney,Tom Corcoran,Ciaran Cafferkey,Fergal Lennon were all out injured. Whatever the future holds for Keenan,Collins,Cathal Cregg,The Shines etc i think the three Dalys are far too talented to be ignored but will they be brought back in next year? i think two of them were asked back this summer but went to America instead.

Carr was terrible bar one enjoyable summer in 2003ish (which involved an embarrassing draw to Leitrim and the annual hammering to Mayo, but surprising wins against Cork , Offally and Kildare and the spirited game against Kerry . Carr had no issue dropping players for the tiniest of offences.

rossie1977

manofwisdom wrote: »

Its hugely important that Roscommon don't repeat history now with a panel full of potential, nothing worse than wasting talent and not getting the best out of them for a number of years, Laois a prime example of this.

Roscommon reached 9 Connacht under 21 finals between 2007 and 2016 which shows you the amount of talent they were producing. During the same period Mayo reached four finals and Galway three. Even those finals Roscommon lost like in 2013 to Galway and last year to Mayo they played both off the field and both Galway and Mayo went on to win the all-ireland. In fact every year between 2010 and 2016 the team that beat Roscommon went onto win the all-ireland.

The gaa in their infinite wisdom decided to get rid of probably the most important grade in gaelic football. Of the starters on Sunday Galway had Silke, O’Curraoin, Flynn, Walsh, Comer, Kerin, Brannigan and Heaney who played in the Connacht under 21 finals of 2013 and 2015 against Roscommon. Roscommon had McInerney, Mulloly, O’Rourke, Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith, Murray, McManus, Connolly and Ciaran Murtagh.

How vital the under 21 has been in producing players for the top teams can be summed up in the fact that Rory O'Carroll, Johnny Cooper, Dean Rock, Jack McCaffrey, Ciaran Reddin, Davey Byrne, Ciaran Kilkenny, Jon Small, Bryan Fenton, Eric Lowndes, Paul Mannion and Cormac Costello played in the games vs Roscommon in 2010, 12 and 2014

Syferus

Yes, anyone with even a modicum of sense would like a few of them back. There were very different reasons why many of those players named aren't there this year and to try to make one tidy group of them is a fallacy.

Eyes Down Field

Shurimgreat wrote:

Roscommon could be the surprise outfit of the championship. I think they are good enough to win their AI quarter final. After that it all depends who they might get in the semi if they make it that far.

Shurimgreat wrote:

One things for sure, McStay/McHale will have a plan for whichever team they face in the quarters.

I think Roscommon are very capable of winning their next game against Mayo, Cork or Donegal. But Kerry in a semi final, or Dublin in a final? It's a very different story. There is a gap in class between The top 2 and the rest.

yabadabado wrote:

I doubt we will see the 2 Shines or Keenan again but would think we will see Collins and Cregg back.

yabadabado wrote:

No idea what will happen with the Daly bros.

Would anyone want them back? I wouldn't. You turn your back on your teammates, on your county? They better not come crawling back.