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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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Forge83

To be honest I don't think so. No insert boiler stove will give a lot of heat to the room no matter what they state. If there is a radiator in the room you should have enough heat regardless.

henke

Any recommendations on a boiler stove that might sit in the current fire place or on front of it that's not too large in space and would give off decent heat output.

Forge83

The 2 neatest boiler stoves around the KW you need are the Charnwood Island 2 boiler and Stratford EB12 Freestanding.

henke

Forge83 wrote: »

The 2 neatest boiler stoves around the KW you need are the Charnwood Island 2 boiler and Stratford EB12 Freestanding.

Thanks. I will look into these stoves. I do have a radiator in the living room so an insert might still suffice.

Wearb

Wearb wrote: »

Thanks for that. Air to water underfloor heating. Some sort of double glazing that gives close to triple glaze u values.

One stove is more or less a visual feature. The other is just in case other heating system goes down. Both dry stoves.

They have now bought two stoves, a pedestal and corner one.

The builder is preparing to put in 8 or 9" flue liners. The stove flue is 6". Should the liners be changed to 6"?

Wearb

Wearb wrote: »

They have now bought two stoves, a pedestal and corner one.

The builder is preparing to put in 8 or 9" flue liners. The stove flue is 6". Should the liners be changed to 6"?

I will give this just one bump. It may not be an easy question to answer.

Forge83

No black and white answer on this I am afraid.
If it was me I would have the builder install the 8" pot liner and then reline with a 6" stainless flexi flue liner.
This will allow changes to be made in years to come if desired.
If you want to try and decipher the Irish building regs in relation to stove installation and chimneys check this link-

http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad%2C37240%2Cen.pdf

Wearb

Forge83 wrote: »

No black and white answer on this I am afraid.
If it was me I would have the builder install the 8" pot liner and then reline with a 6" stainless flexi flue liner.
This will allow changes to be made in years to come if desired.
If you want to try and decipher the Irish building regs in relation to stove installation and chimneys check this link-

http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad%2C37240%2Cen.pdf

Thanks. Been speaking to my son and he said that was what the woman in that stove shop in carlow said that the builder/plumber would probably decide to do.
I won't interfere, but seeing as the house is almost passive, I would have gone for correct size clay liner from the start if it was my decision. As you say, it is not hard and fast.
Are there different quality liners? Do the last for a long time ?

Forge83

There's two grades of liner, 316 is the basic and 904 is the higher grade.
Scheidel is probably recognised as one of the best but MI Flues are also highly regarded.Both offer 20/25 year warranties on the 904 grade.
Others include Oriel Flues and AI Flues.

Hermbob

I'm bit of a novice when it comes stoves. Bought a new build A rated house recently (no fireplace!). We were hoping to fit a stove (through external wall rather than ceiling), the room is roughly 5m by 4m. From the little bit I've read we'd need one with external air supply and given the size (well insulated etc) I assume I'd need something with a low output, maybe 5kw? If all this sound right any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Duffy99

I have bought an older cottage and it came with a stove no name on it and it just about heats the room ( 12x15) we have the hall off it that has no door (an arch). So we would like to put in a stove that would maybe help to heat the hall off the living room or at least take a chill off it. If we were to put in a larger size stove with a 7kw output would it heat up the hall. There is a rad in the hall run from our central heating but it would be nice if a stove cut down on us using central heating for the hall.

Forge83

Duffy99 wrote: »

I have bought an older cottage and it came with a stove no name on it and it just about heats the room ( 12x15) we have the hall off it that has no door (an arch). So we would like to put in a stove that would maybe help to heat the hall off the living room or at least take a chill off it. If we were to put in a larger size stove with a 7kw output would it heat up the hall. There is a rad in the hall run from our central heating but it would be nice if a stove cut down on us using central heating for the hall.

How would you rate the insulation in the house? I personally would look at insulation before a bigger stove.
How old is the current stove? It may need a service to improve performance.
Also is the chimney clean and what type of fuel are you burning?
If you want to post a picture I may be able to tell you what make stove it is.
Upping the size of the stove would only sense if there is an issue with one of the above.

Forge83

Hermbob wrote: »

I'm bit of a novice when it comes stoves. Bought a new build A rated house recently (no fireplace!). We were hoping to fit a stove (through external wall rather than ceiling), the room is roughly 5m by 4m. From the little bit I've read we'd need one with external air supply and given the size (well insulated etc) I assume I'd need something with a low output, maybe 5kw? If all this sound right any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Yes you will need an external air stove. However please be aware you will also have to put a permenatly open air vent in the wall of that room. This obviously then defeats the purpose of an A rated house.But that's your choice of course.

Duffy99

I am burning stove coal and briquettes. I was in a house recently and the stove they have was giving a lot more heat out. The older part of the house was drylined before we bought it and in the extension we had the walls pumped with insulation. We have new pvc windows fitted a year ago, This stove was put in 14 years ago approx. and we had it re fitted a year ago by an expert and had the full job done on the chimney wit a new flexible flue and Vermiculite cost us almost €1100.

covey09

whats the longest distance between a boiler stove and the hot water cyclinder latterly,
Thanks
Covey

HueyB

Hi,

I was hoping to get some advice. I'm a first time buyer who recently moved into a detached 3 bed circa 1980 and would like to fit a multi fuel stove in the existing fireplace which I am in the process of removing. There was a back boiler which has been removed at some point during the lifetime of the house. Have been looking at the Stanley Osion and similar (6kw output) but don't want to break the bank. It will only be used in the winter during the evenings so was hoping there may be reliable alternatives ?
Thanks

Glowing

Where's the best place in Dublin (South) to get a small 4-6kw inset stove (with external air supply)? Hoping not to pay any more than 500 or 600!

Many thanks

Forge83

Glowing wrote: »

Where's the best place in Dublin (South) to get a small 4-6kw inset stove (with external air supply)? Hoping not to pay any more than 500 or 600!

Many thanks

I don't think you will get one with external air for anywhere near that price in Dublin I am afraid. All the 5/6kw Inset stoves with external air I can think of would be between €900-€1100. Heritage stoves do a free standing Dromore 5kw external air which I said reasonably priced around €500.
Try Stone and Stoves Rathcoole or BPM Supplies Kylemore road.

mrsWhippy

Forge83 wrote: »

I don't think you will get one with external air for anywhere near that price in Dublin I am afraid. All the 5/6kw Inset stoves with external air I can think of would be between €900-€1100. Heritage stoves do a free standing Dromore 5kw external air which I said reasonably priced around €500.
Try Stone and Stoves Rathcoole or BPM Supplies Kylemore road.

Thanks a lot for that.

I actually saw that Dromore one online. Has it got a good reputation?

Are the freestanding ones generally cheaper than inset?

Forge83

mrsWhippy wrote: »

Thanks a lot for that.

I actually saw that Dromore one online. Has it got a good reputation?

Are the freestanding ones generally cheaper than inset?

Freestanding would normally be cheaper than Inset yes. Very few stoves with external air so they are normally up in price. The Dromore seems to be the exception but it is quite a small stove.

henke

Has anyone any experience dealing with Gordons in Kilkerrin Galway? They seem to offer nationwide delivery for the stove I want much cheaper than anyone else around. Just wary of paying that price without actually going to see them etc.

mrsWhippy

Is there any benefit at all to having an external air stove in a non-airtight extension? It will be extremely well insulated, large pumped cavity and 3g but won't have a MVHR, just standard trickle vents (I know, I know)

Thanks

corcadorcha

Hi,
We are about to sign contacts with builder on renovation and extension. Hope to get a BER rating of A2. We are putting in a MVHR unit and airtightness membrane, insulation etc.
We would like to put in an inset stove in the extension more for aesthetics than heat.
We are putting in a chimney and external air duct.
Anybody recommend an inset stove 5kw ish with external air with more contemporary look as will be built into wall.
We would also prefer not to have any vent in room as it defeats the purpose of airtightness/MVHR/insulation etc...
Any help appreciated..
Thanks

B-D-P--

mrsWhippy wrote: »

Is there any benefit at all to having an external air stove in a non-airtight extension? It will be extremely well insulated, large pumped cavity and 3g but won't have a MVHR, just standard trickle vents (I know, I know)

Thanks

Of course, Your not using the air from the room, hence your not sucking in more air from outside.
Closed loop is always worth it!

Forge83

mrsWhippy wrote: »

Is there any benefit at all to having an external air stove in a non-airtight extension? It will be extremely well insulated, large pumped cavity and 3g but won't have a MVHR, just standard trickle vents (I know, I know)

Thanks

Very small benefit of better air control.
That's about it really.

Forge83

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Of course, Your not using the air from the room, hence your not sucking in more air from outside.
Closed loop is always worth it!

External air is not necessarily a closed loop if there are air vents in the room.
Room sealed is.
There is a difference between the two.

mrsWhippy

So are you saying that an external air stove is not necessarily room sealed?

Forge83

corcadorcha wrote: »

Hi,
We are about to sign contacts with builder on renovation and extension. Hope to get a BER rating of A2. We are putting in a MVHR unit and airtightness membrane, insulation etc.
We would like to put in an inset stove in the extension more for aesthetics than heat.
We are putting in a chimney and external air duct.
Anybody recommend an inset stove 5kw ish with external air with more contemporary look as will be built into wall.
We would also prefer not to have any vent in room as it defeats the purpose of airtightness/MVHR/insulation etc...
Any help appreciated..
Thanks

There are a good few 5/6kw Inset stove options with external air.
Unfortunately building regulations state that a vent in the room is mandatory.
Yes I know it's contradictory

Heat Design Vitae 6kw(They also have a new wider version in the same kw just released)
Hota Varme 6kw
Henley Seville 400 6kw
ACR Tenbury 5kw
Boru 400i
Henley Athens 400 6kw
Stovax Riva 40
There are more but they would be the most popular.

corcadorcha

Forge83 wrote: »

corcadorcha wrote: »

Hi,
We are about to sign contacts with builder on renovation and extension. Hope to get a BER rating of A2. We are putting in a MVHR unit and airtightness membrane, insulation etc.
We would like to put in an inset stove in the extension more for aesthetics than heat.
We are putting in a chimney and external air duct.
Anybody recommend an inset stove 5kw ish with external air with more contemporary look as will be built into wall.
We would also prefer not to have any vent in room as it defeats the purpose of airtightness/MVHR/insulation etc...
Any help appreciated..
Thanks

There are a good few 5/6kw Inset stove options with external air.
Unfortunately building regulations state that a vent in the room is mandatory.
Yes I know it's contradictory
Heat Design Vitae 6kw(They also have a new wider version in the same kw just released)
Hota Varme 6kw
Henley Seville 400 6kw
ACR Tenbury 5kw
Boru 400i
Henley Athens 400 6kw
Stovax Riva 40
There are more but they would be the most popular.

Thanks Forge83,
Is there any way around the vent in room?
There is a lot of talk of room sealed stove? Or on passive certified stove. It does not make any sense to put in fire and dig big hole on wall..
Plenty of air through the MVHR and if stove has external air supply...

Thanks again

henke

henke wrote: »

Has anyone any experience dealing with....................................

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