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Toddler stabbed to death in Dublin

Love2love

http://www.thejournal.ie/toddler-crumlin-violent-3489568-Jul2017/

Poor kid

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[Deleted User]

sassyj wrote: »

What a victory for you, well done.

Great input. Someone called out my point, I showed that it had some support. It's a discussion forum, either make a point or don't.

Birneybau

Can we just all agree it's a fcuking tragedy and we'll leave it at that. Gender, nationality, so the fcuk what. A poor 3 year old died violently.

Colser

I haven't read the link and this will probably come across all wrong but sometimes when I hear something horrific has happened to a child I wonder what has been happening to them up to this point and the type of short little life they've actually endured.I'm far from a mother earth type but anyone who can inflict pain and suffering on a defenceless child be they man or woman should be treated in a very similar fashion imo.

sassyj

Omackeral wrote: »

Great input. Someone called out my point, I showed that it had some support. It's a discussion forum, either make a point or don't.

I was making a point, evidently one you entirely missed.

AnneFrank

This maybe a discussion forum, but I do not believe this topic should be discussed at this time, frankly I find it disgusting, offer condolences yes, but pinning the blame on mentally ill, foreign nationals or genders for thanks Ala omackeral is pathetic.

[Deleted User]

sassyj wrote: »

I was making a point, evidently one you entirely missed.

I must have. Give it to me one more time there.

jimmycrackcorm

A defenceless 3 year old. Mind numbing.

Vic_08

Omackeral wrote: »

I must have. Give it to me one more time there.

So now this thread is about you, yeah?

[Deleted User]

AnneFrank wrote: »

This maybe a discussion forum, but I do not believe this topic should be discussed at this time, frankly I find it disgusting, offer condolences yes, but pinning the blame on mentally ill, foreign nationals or genders for thanks Ala omackeral is pathetic.

How am I doing it for thanks though? I merely put forward an opinion and some people agreed with the sentiment. I subsequently referenced their agreement as validation for my point. What's pathetic about that exactly may I ask?

[Deleted User]

Vic_08 wrote: »

So now this thread is about you, yeah?

Apparently so. Poster said they made a point to me but I didn't see it. Asked them to give me it again. Have you a point to make on the topic at hand at all yourself?

[Deleted User]

AnneFrank wrote: »

This maybe a discussion forum, but I do not believe this topic should be discussed at this time, frankly I find it disgusting, offer condolences yes, but pinning the blame on mentally ill, foreign nationals or genders for thanks Ala omackeral is pathetic.

It's a discussion board, not a condolences board (what a strange concept anyway, e-condolences sent off into the ether, what possible purpose to that?)

January

Omackeral wrote: »

I can see it going one of two ways.

If the perp was a male he'll be pilloried and called evil and subhuman. If it was a female, it'll be mental illness that's at fault.

RIP to the little boy. Horrifying news, so fcuking sad.

Alan Hawe was painted as mentally ill when he was nothing of the sort so play the other one.

ED E

Thanks mods for the quick work there.

[Deleted User]

January wrote: »

Alan Hawe was painted as mentally ill when he was nothing of the sort so play the other one.

Anyone I spoke to about the Hawe case absolutely hammered him. He was called a coward, a brute, an abuser and rightly so. There was uproar from the majority of people on here too IIRC. It was only the local clergy and a couple of parish gombeens who tried to paint him in a positive light and they were called out on it by every single person I conversed with on the matter.

eviltwin

Omackeral wrote: »

How am I doing it for thanks though? I merely put forward an opinion and some people agreed with the sentiment. I subsequently referenced their agreement as validation for my point. What's pathetic about that exactly may I ask?

You are using the death of a child to score points.

January

Omackeral wrote: »

Anyone I spoke to about the Hawe case absolutely hammered him and rightly so. There was uproar from the majority of people on here too IIRC. It was only the local clergy and a couple of parish gombeens who tried to paint him in a positive light and they were called out on it by every single person I conversed with on the matter.

Loads of people here at the time and recently again when news of his grave being exhumed came about defended him and claimed only someone who was mentally ill could do such a thing. Fact is the majority of women who do kill their children are mentally ill. Postpartum psychosis is a very real illness that can go untreated for years.

major bill

Poor lil baby

Armchair Andy

major bill wrote:

Poor lil baby

Poor kid. Innocent harmless little kid. Hell existed right there for that mite.

[Deleted User]

eviltwin wrote: »

You are using the death of a child to score points.

Get a grip. How exactly am I scoring points? Explain that to me. Disgusting accusation.

[Deleted User]

Surely, for all we know,the kid might have been messing with the knife, cut his mother and inflicted fatal injuries on himself.

I don't mean that as a proposition, merely to say let's not rush to judge at all yet. At the moment, it's a horrific tragedy, let's hold off on the comments until more comes to light.

[Deleted User]

January wrote: »

Loads of people here at the time and recently again when news of his grave being exhumed came about defended him and claimed only someone who was mentally ill could do such a thing. Fact is the majority of women who do kill their children are mentally ill. Postpartum psychosis is a very real illness that can go untreated for years.

Anyone I spoke to and the majority of things I read pertaining to him described him as a beast. As for postpartum psychosis, I didn't once challenge that or say it's not a cause. I gave an opinion that I thought the reporting could go one of two ways. An observation, which is what forums are all about. Wasn't points scoring or using the death of a child to further an agenda (I'm fcuking disgusted at that accusation by the way).

Robsweezie

it is a discussion forum, and i didnt go into this expecting merely an endless stream of condolences. other angles of course will be looked at whether we like it or not, the nature of the crime etc. thats what happens when you start a thread, unless its specified as a tribute. posters will draw discussion from some aspect.

horrific, unthinkable, what can be said.... you'd despair. it helps me a little to think the majority of people are not at all inclined to do anything like this, and we cherish children.

volchitsa

Omackeral wrote: »

Get a grip. How exactly am I scoring points? Explain that to me. Disgusting accusation.

It's exactly what you're doing.
You're acting as though all killers of their family are acting from the same motives, when there are actually two very different groups, the ones that are genuinely insane, and those who want to punish the other partner.

Overall, more fathers kill than mothers, but the numbers killed by parents suffering mental illness is probably about the same. Those parents - male or female - hopefully get treatment rather than prison. And when a man kills his family due to severe mental illness that's take into account, as it should be. One near us in Carndonagh not long ago where the man killed his elderly parents with an axe. Wasn't found guilty of murder.

The difference is that more men kill their children without suffering from mental illness. Some women do too, but far fewer. Male or female, those people should get the book thrown at them, and they do.

But your assumption that the profiles of male and female killers are the same is wrong. That's why more mothers who kill their children are portrayed as mentally ill - because a higher proportion of them, in fact nearly all, of them are.

[Deleted User]

volchitsa wrote: »

It's exactly what you're doing.

I assure you, it's not.

volchitsa wrote: »

That's why more mothers who kill their children are portrayed as mentally ill - because a higher proportion of them, in fact nearly all, of them are.

And show me where I disagreed with that? I didn't dispute that. I said if it's a man he'll likely be described as evil and if it's a woman she'll likely be described as mentally ill. You're saying there's truth to that based off statistics. That's fine and I take you at your word there. All I did was say that's how saw it going yet people are getting themselves in a frenzy saying I'm points scoring and using a child's death to do so. Utter rubbish and a lack of simple comprehension regarding a point being made. Also, I said it was a horrific occurrence and so very sad but that didn't register because it doesn't fit in with winning internet points.

RDM_83 again

Robsweezie wrote: »

it is a discussion forum, and i didnt go into this expecting merely an endless stream of condolences. other angles of course will be looked at whether we like it or not, the nature of the crime etc. thats what happens when you start a thread, unless its specified as a tribute. posters will draw discussion from some aspect.

horrific, unthinkable, what can be said.... you'd despair. it helps me a little to think the majority of people are not at all inclined to do anything like this, and we cherish children.

I agree with you that its pointless having threads on a discussion site where you can only post condolences (and I argued the same years back) but I don't think there is much good to be done by having threads very recent very personal tragedies involving non public figures.

Realistically we know nothing about it at this stage, most likely its something like severe post-natal depression but thats literally all that can be said at this point and even thats just a guess.

Ann_Landers

Omackeral wrote: »

I can see it going one of two ways.

If the perp was a male he'll be pilloried and called evil and subhuman. If it was a female, it'll be mental illness that's at fault.

RIP to the little boy. Horrifying news, so fcuking sad.

I... just despair. It's depressing that a few posts in to a thread on such fresh tragic news, you feel the need for agenda-pushing. Have some decency.

volchitsa

Omackeral wrote: »

I assure you, it's not.

And show me where I disagreed with that? I didn't dispute that. I said if it's a man he'll likely be described as evil and if it's a woman she'll likely be described as mentally ill. You're saying there's truth to that based off statistics. That's fine and I take you at your word there. All I did was say that's how saw it going yet people are getting themselves in a frenzy saying I'm points scoring and using a child's death to do so. Utter rubbish and a lack of simple comprehension regarding a point being made. Also, I said it was a horrific occurrence and so very sad but that didn't register because it doesn't fit in with winning internet points.

It's point scoring because you're presenting it as though people "described" men as evil (and let women off for the same actions). That could only be true if as many women as men killed their own children, so that the profiles of the killers was comparable.

People don't "describe" men as evil for something they would excuse women for, they describe people who kill their children as evil unless they are mentally ill and not responsible for their actions. That includes the vast majority of mothers who kill, and some of the fathers.

When you remove those who show signs of severe mental illness from the total, the vast majority who are left are men. So to use your own words, the majority of men who kill are evil, the majority of women who kill are mentally ill. That's not just people's assumptions though, that's a fact.

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[Deleted User]

RIP

The individual thanking the OP needs to have a look at themselves, by the way

Kidchameleon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

RIP

The individual thanking the OP needs to have a look at themselves, by the way

I went back and thanked it aswell. Cheers for reminding me. Thanks to the OP for sharing the story, starting the thread and for their expression of sympathy? Whats wrong with that?

MilesMorales1

Jesus christ, poor sod. No kid deserves that.