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80% of failed asylum seekers stay

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Academic

mynamejeff wrote: »

well how do they get airline tickets ? travel documents etc ?

isnt it true that the majority destroy fake documents on the plane ?

Source?

gitzy16v

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Africa is absolutely minted, pardon the pun, in terms of oil, gas and mineral wealth.

The fact that they are ruled by dictators and warlords and seemingly descend into tribal warfare endlessly is the problem.

Maybe the plan is get all them Africans over to Europe and we all jump ship and take Africa for ourselves.
Looks to be a few quid to be made over there!

mynamejeff

Academic wrote: »

Source?

reality .

did i touch a sore point or something ?

if they dont destroy the documents that they use to get onto the plane then there are sent back to the country of issue

thats how it works you know

Jamie2k9

Crann na Beatha wrote: »

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Not a surprise when FG/LAB updated the last in 2015(?) it make it almost impossible to get rid as they can appeal and appeal and appeal and appeal. Thankfully the right to family reunification was excluded but they can apply.

end of the road

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

They're not seeking asylum in the US though.

no they are fully and openly breaking the law instead

Mutant z wrote: »

Anyway asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country, once they skip over the nearest safe country they cease to be refugees and instead become economic migrants, any of them who end up here are economic migrants because they would, have had to pass through safe countries to get here, so they are bogus and need to be deported back to where they came from.

they don't cease to be refugees and don't become economic migrants, and there is no evidence that everyone who comes to ireland is bogus. some are, and will be dealt with. passing through or over safe countries doesn't mean they have actual access to those countries to apply for asylum.

Nagnata wrote: »

Very little of those who claim to be asylum seekers are genuine. Just economic migrants mostly who want to better their lives so I can't blame them, we are far to soft on them. Ireland and Europe needs to take a more hardline approach.

we are not far to soft on them. a hardline approach is a waste of time and isn't cost effective, as it won't stop refugees and economic migrants immigrating to europe.

biko

Simple, just don't make it worthwhile failing asylum seeking.
With no incentive (accommodation/benefits) there is no reason for failed asylum seekers to remain in Ireland.
Possibly some of the humanitarian posters of boards will take some in, but that number will be negligible in the greater scheme of things.

You could even give them 20000 euro and a ticket home, it is still cheaper (but it will encourage more migrants to come to get the free money).

The State has paid almost €1bn to private operators to run Direct Provision centres for asylum seekers since 2000, an RTPrime Time report has found.

Mutant z

Somedude9 wrote: »

Sorry but you're wrong. Yes asylum seekers are expected/obliged to apply for asylum in the first safe country of entry, but they're not legally obliged to and when they don't their status doesn't suddenly change. Thus they go where they please. Great isn't it? :rolleyes:

look genuine refugees who flee, would just be grateful to go to the nearest safe area possible, not somewhere that's thousands of miles away, you wouldnt simply just pick and choose, like these economic migrants do, they are coming for benefits nothing else, why should any of these people have a right to asylum here.

marklazarcovic

handier money to be made by the legal profession dealing with those already here than deporting and bringing more in,appeal after appeal after appeal..i mean there is only so much work a solicitor can handle right.

mynamejeff

marklazarcovic wrote: »

handier money to be made by the legal profession dealing with those already here than deporting and bringing more in,appeal after appeal after appeal..i mean there is only so much work a solicitor can handle right.

dont worry theres always more solicitors .

if only we could find a way to make use of them .........

expatin africa

as someone who has lived in nigeria for the last 10 years the money the few have is is unreal. i have seen so many expensive cars here that i never seen or heard about in ireland, houses go for over 1-2 millon dollars, they would not be worth 500,000 in ireland. but the majority live on 2-3 pounds a day
but here is the thing they dont think its wrong they think that man done well to have that money he stole well well to get it. look at london to see the houses the rich nigerians are buying there, by the way a pint of heineken is about 7 pounts in Lagos or Abuja in any decent bar or hotel and no shortage of takers.
minum wages is about 80 pounds a month, we pay our workers about 700-800 pounds a month (strong union)
and it is pretty safe enough excepth for about three states in the North East

Ronaldinho

end of the road wrote: »

no they are fully and openly breaking the law instead

a hardline approach is a waste of time and isn't cost effective, as it won't stop refugees and economic migrants immigrating to europe.

It won't stop the flow entirely but it will reduce the incentive for them.

Even Bill Gates has come around to this way of thinking. "On the one hand you want to demonstrate generosity and take in refugees, but the more generous you are, the more word gets around about this – which in turn motivates more people to leave Africa,” the Microsoft founder said."

Pure tashte

Mutant z wrote: »

Anyway asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country, once they skip over the nearest safe country they cease to be refugees and instead become economic migrants, any of them who end up here are economic migrants because they would, have had to pass through safe countries to get here, so they are bogus and need to be deported back to where they came from.

As far as I am aware, the refugees that have arrived in Ireland from Syria, were brought from camps in Greece, due to the EUs decision to disperse refugees around the continent rather than leaving them all in southern European countries.

I've seen the argument you have made uses many, many times, but has a situation like you have described happened in Ireland before, or it is a reference to what happened in Germany in 2015?

animaal

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Aren't we all just children of Mother Earth, no different from one another? Any Earthling should be allowed to live on any part of Earth.

That's a lovely idea. Can I stay in your gaff?

Academic

mynamejeff wrote: »

reality .

did i touch a sore point or something ?

if they dont destroy the documents that they use to get onto the plane then there are sent back to the country of issue

thats how it works you know

So, in short, you have no source for this. That's what I figured. Thanks.

end of the road

Mutant z wrote: »

look genuine refugees who flee, would just be grateful to go to the nearest safe area possible, not somewhere that's thousands of miles away, you wouldnt simply just pick and choose, like these economic migrants do, they are coming for benefits nothing else, why should any of these people have a right to asylum here.

there is no evidence they are all economic migrants and they are coming for benefits. some are, sure, but there is no evidence they are all at it. you would come to ireland as a refugee if you have family all ready here among other reasons.

Ronaldinho wrote: »

It won't stop the flow entirely but it will reduce the incentive for them.

not true i'm afraid. just look at america. technically no real incentives to emmigrate there but yet millions do, illegally, and remain.

Ronaldinho

end of the road wrote: »

not true i'm afraid. just look at america. technically no real incentives to emmigrate there but yet millions do, illegally, and remain.

I was there last week. My Uber driver on the way to the airport was from Haiti. He's been there since 2010 with some of his other family, loves it. Said the city was a great place to live.

I didn't pry into his work situation but I guess what we can say is that working there as an Uber driver probably gives him a damn sight better standard of living than back home.

I don't know how you think there's "no real incentives to emmigrate there".
Some facts and figures about poverty in Haiti: https://borgenproject.org/top-five-facts-about-poverty-in-haiti/

Yamanoto

Not an asylum seeker, but here's a Brasilian chap who entered the country on a student visa, has been convicted of supplying a decent amount of pills & weed from his rickshaw in Dublin city centre & given a suspended sentence of 6 months. The judge initially suspended the sentence on the proviso the defendant left the jurisdiction, but his counsel successfully argued he was helping support a partner and her child (who was not his own).

The guy should absolutely be out on his ass for such an offense & it seems many of his compatriots supplement their income in a similar fashion, yet very little is done to address it.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/conviction-of-brazilian-rickshaw-driver-for-drug-dealing-prompts-warning-by-judge-796720.html

Ulysses Gaze

Yamanoto wrote: »

Not an asylum seeker, but here's a Brasilian chap who entered the country on a student visa, has been convicted of supplying a decent amount of pills & weed from his rickshaw in Dublin city centre & given a suspended sentence of 6 months. The judge initially suspended the sentence on the proviso the defendant left the jurisdiction, but his counsel successfully argued he was helping support a partner and her child (who was not his own).

The guy should absolutely be out on his ass for such an offense & it seems many of his compatriots supplement their income in a similar fashion, yet very little is done to address it.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/conviction-of-brazilian-rickshaw-driver-for-drug-dealing-prompts-warning-by-judge-796720.html

But...but...but...he's one of those "highly skilled" workers that the Far Left, and even some politicians, blabber on about that we absolutely, positively, must have in this country.

Galwayguy35

Look at other countries, why don't they stay in France if they want a safe place to live instead of trying to get to Britain on the back of trucks at Calais.

Better benefits that's why.

Although they won't have to bother anymore, we have a Yankee Government Minister who will fly them over here and spend 275 k on each of them.

end of the road

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Look at other countries, why don't they stay in France if they want a safe place to live instead of trying to get to Britain on the back of trucks at Calais.

plenty do stay in france. those wanting to go to britain have family in a lot of cases.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Better benefits that's why.

nope. no evidence that is the case for all who go to britain.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Although they won't have to bother anymore, we have a Yankee Government Minister who will fly them over here and spend 275 k on each of them.

well, you voted for it.

Captain Obvious

Crann na Beatha wrote: »

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80% of orders not being implemented does not mean 80% stay. People leave of their own volition when their cases are rejected. Often to apply in another country.

Galwayguy35

end of the road wrote: »

plenty do stay in france. those wanting to go to britain have family in a lot of cases.

nope. no evidence that is the case for all who go to britain.

well, you voted for it.

Voted for what?

homerjay2005

its amazing, you have lefties/social warriors going mental over housing and lack thereof yet they are crying out to have all these people brought into the country, even though we are not set up to cater for them and they certainly are not set up to adapt to our way of life.

the real hyprocisy however is the fact that these same people are (and correctly so) demanding equality, improved womans rights, improved gay rights etc but they want to bring in 1000s of people in to this country who are completely intolerant of all of this and will do nothing but eventually set us back in the drive for perfection and qualify of life for all.

How Soon Is Now

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Aren't we all just children of Mother Earth, no different from one another? Any Earthling should be allowed to live on any part of Earth.

If they can look after themselves grand otherwise **** off.

Not our fault your country is ****e.

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Dr Crayfish

I think we're lucky in that we come from a rich country in the EU, it gives us freedom to move and work in many countries, and allows us to qualify to live in Australia and other New World countries, given our high education standards etc.
If Ireland was poor again, like how we were in the past, tonnes of men, probably including myself, would be taking their chances illegally in other countries. People get desperate. I find it hard to judge illegal immigrants, because there but for the grace of God go I. I don't think I'd be sitting around some sh*thole thinking, you know what, I wont go to X country because I'm not their problem. I'd do whatever I could to make a better life for myself, legally or not.

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Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No wonder we have a housing crisis.

Hehe. Nothing to do with the developer/land hoarder-loving policies of bastard rightwing establishment politicians in our coalition Fine Fáil government and bastard rightwing senior civil servants who have been so extraordinarily keen to not put a penal tax on land hoarding/undeveloped land, while pushing this utterly pernicious far right idea that it is for private businesses to supply homes and that the state shouldn't intervene in a crisis (as used to be the case, of course - the Irish state under the nowadays much demonised de Valera built a massive 132,000 houses for its citizens in the depression of the 1930s). This same group has also distinguished itself by its exceedingly generous tax handouts to developers and its reduction of the regulations governing apartment sizes and building quality - all to help the "free market".

A group, indeed, that has been cheered on by every gobshíte of the "made it to Dublin" variety (jumped-up overbearing "working class can kiss my ass" embarrassments at the best of times) who now find that thanks to Irish government policy their property is worth more than their decidedly insipid talents could ever, ever, ever actually earn. Ever. My, there are so, so many "property owners" in Dublin in that category, people who have convinced themselves their "success" has nothing to do with the property market being in effect rigged by all the above government policies.

Clearly there's no native Irish vested interests in keeping housing supply restricted here in 2017 (or 16,15, 14...), of course! The housing crisis is all the fault of... asylum seekers.

homerjay2005

part of the issue here is that it costs €120k for average deportation.

the state, just doesnt bother though of course if they stay here for years, have children etc, how much do they end up costing us???

BattleCorp

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So I can't blame someone coming over here who wants to work and have a better life. Besides the EU opened the doors to Ireland a long time ago.

While I agree with you to some extent in that people want to go where they will have a better life, such migration should be done legally. If someone has been granted a work permit, then I have no problem with them coming here and working. More luck to them. But I'm totally against anybody doing this illegally.

Your example above regarding the EU opening doors to Ireland, this was done legally.

I do feel sorry for people from an economically disadvantaged country, which Ireland was for a long time, but there have to be rules. A free-for-all migration policy is a one-way trip to disaster.