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And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

Saab Ed

http://cars.motornet.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=Car&carID=1325270&message=You%20searched%20for%3A%20Mercedes%2DBenz%20G%2DClass%2C%20Year%3A%201994%2E%20Your%20search%20returned%20one%20vehicle%2C%20which%20is%20shown%20below%2E&CFID=127368931&CFTOKEN=24465048

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colm_mcm

A 5 door XR3?

Is it South African? Seller Has a mk2 SA import for less money.

Duke O Smiley

colm_mcm wrote: »

A 5 door XR3?

Is it South African? Seller Has a mk2 SA import for less money.

Its definitely south african

I'm not really certain its an XR3. South Africa has loads of weird and unique models etc. Can't see anything online to say a 5 door exists. Wikipedia says the XR3 came with 1.3 and 1.6 engines, I'd say it has a detuned XR3 1.6 from factory

TrailerBob

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-escort-mk3-xr3/15935150?campaign=3

16k!!

I am so sick of the classic market in this country.. every Mick, Brendan or Larry with a car over 25 years old wants mad money, regardless of actual demand. Everything is a "rare car" or a "barn find" and fair enough, you are entitled to ask what you want.. Now my problem with this is that it creates an environment where asking silly money is the norm, driving prices sky high.

This might sound like sour grapes, but with 2 classics in the house that cost a lot to rebuild, I couldn't even stomach asking these kinds of prices if I wanted to sell

ht9zni1gs28crp

As before, everyone moans about rare cars and their prices when they come to buy them and suddenly that 'teenage want' is a little out of price range.

They then land on and moan about prices calling everyone dreamers.

The dreamers thing works both ways by the way.

wyliecoyote1

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/volkswagen-golf-gti-1-6/15941204

4250 for mk1 gti in need of full restoration! bit much no?

grogi

TrailerBob wrote: »

I am so sick of the classic market in this country.. every Mick, Brendan or Larry with a car over 25 years old wants mad money, regardless of actual demand.

You can't prevent them from wanting money. Just don't pay it if you think the car is overpriced.

TrailerBob

Eric Black Lettuce wrote: »

As before, everyone moans about rare cars and their prices when they come to buy them and suddenly that 'teenage want' is a little out of price range.

They then land on and moan about prices calling everyone dreamers.

The dreamers thing works both ways by the way.

I agree with your sentiment to an extent, you can't expect to pick up a good condition classic car for 500 quid.
My problem is not with a genuinely rare car in good condition commanding a high price, but with the latest trend of anything over 20 years old being peddled as a classic that's suddenly worth a pile of money. Supply and demand causes some of the prices, eg, our 75 vw bay camper is worth around 20 grand in the open market, but the 72 beetle beside it is probably only worth about 4, despite both being in near factory condition.

It's more complicated than just supply and demand, but with the idea that advertised prices then create the 'value' in the market that is driving a huge import trend and creating dreamers - see the Mazda 323 from a few weeks back.

Gravelly

A hacked-to-death DeLorean for a mere £65k

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DeLorean-Time-Machine-Back-to-the-Future-Replica-DMC-12-Car-/253011627485?hash=item3ae8ab0ddd:g:xkgAAOSw-89ZT-lz

Quazzie

Gravelly wrote: »

A hacked-to-death DeLorean for a mere £65k

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DeLorean-Time-Machine-Back-to-the-Future-Replica-DMC-12-Car-/253011627485?hash=item3ae8ab0ddd:g:xkgAAOSw-89ZT-lz

Try find a similar spec car for less money?

JohnBoy26

Gravelly wrote: »

A hacked-to-death DeLorean for a mere £65k

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DeLorean-Time-Machine-Back-to-the-Future-Replica-DMC-12-Car-/253011627485?hash=item3ae8ab0ddd:g:xkgAAOSw-89ZT-lz

It's a good investment tbh. They are only going up in value so by using the flux capacitor to go into the future you can make a profit very quickly

Gravelly

Quazzie wrote: »

Try find a similar spec car for less money?

I suppose if that's your thing. To me it's a car that was never very good in the first place, made worse. For the same money you could get, from the same era, an exquisite Porsche 911 (and have enough left over for an MGB for the missus), or 2 or 3 pristine Audi Quattros.

Gravelly

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It's a good investment tbh. They are only going up in value so by using the flux capacitor to go into the future you can make a profit very quickly

Original ones will go up in value (though I think there's a ceiling for them, as they were never any good, have no race or sports pedigree, and have limited appeal), but hacked ones will never be worth as much. See all the DB5's having absolute fortunes spent on them to restore them to spec, after all being sprayed silver and having ejector buttons installed in the 70's and 80's.

vintagevrs

I think comparing that DeLorean to any driver's car is missing the point. So yes, you could buy a 911 and keep the change, where as the DeLorean is a PR machine, not for driving. Whether it's worth the asking price is debatable though.

Gravelly

vintagevrs wrote: »

I think comparing that DeLorean to any driver's car is missing the point. So yes, you could buy a 911 and keep the change, where as the DeLorean is a PR machine, not for driving. Whether it's worth the asking price is debatable though.

I'd agree with you there to some extent, but it is being sold as a car, and deserves comparison to other cars of it's era, or other cars that became famous through movies (DB5, Lotus Esprit, Trans Am, Mustang, even the humble Beetle or Ford Falcon). In that respect, it falls down badly. I cannot see how this example is worth that kind of money, and if he manages to get anyone to buy it at or near that price, I think they'll end up losing a lot of money on it.

Quazzie

Gravelly wrote: »

I'd agree with you there to some extent, but it is being sold as a car, and deserves comparison to other cars of it's era, or other cars that became famous through movies (DB5, Lotus Esprit, Trans Am, Mustang, even the humble Beetle or Ford Falcon). In that respect, it falls down badly. I cannot see how this example is worth that kind of money, and if he manages to get anyone to buy it at or near that price, I think they'll end up losing a lot of money on it.

Do you think it's really being sold as a car. Is the seller really expecting you to use this for a quick trip to the shops, or a blast over Sally Gap? I highly doubt it.

JohnBoy26

Gravelly wrote: »

Original ones will go up in value (though I think there's a ceiling for them, as they were never any good, have no race or sports pedigree, and have limited appeal), but hacked ones will never be worth as much. See all the DB5's having absolute fortunes spent on them to restore them to spec, after all being sprayed silver and having ejector buttons installed in the 70's and 80's.

I was joking but that car isn't hacked. It's been modified to be a replica of the one in the back to the future movies and it seems to be a good replica at that. This car doesn't need sports pedegree because it will always have a following from those movies.

Gravelly

Quazzie wrote: »

Do you think it's really being sold as a car. Is the seller really expecting you to use this for a quick trip to the shops, or a blast over Sally Gap? I highly doubt it.

Of course. But that doesn't change the fact that it should be valued as what it is, and it's a car. A running car. It's no different to a Beetle that's been done in Herbie livery, or a DB5 that's had revolving numberplates and an ejector button fitted. It's value doesn't magically increase because it looks like the one in the movies.

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I was joking but that car isn't hacked. It's been modified to be a replica of the one in the back to the future movies and it seems to be a good replica at that. This car doesn't need sports pedegree because it will always have a following from those movies.

Again, I'd agree it will always have a following because of the movies, but again, that doesn't necessarily mean it is somehow valuable because it looks like the one from the movie. In 20 years time, it's likely that unmolested DeLoreans will be worth far more than one's that have been modified - as owners of BD5's have found out. It will be a hell of a lot easier to modify one than return one to spec, that is ALWAYS the case with old cars. Unless they have been modified to period racing spec, originals will always end up being more valuable.

georgefalls

Gravelly wrote: »

A hacked-to-death DeLorean for a mere £65k

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DeLorean-Time-Machine-Back-to-the-Future-Replica-DMC-12-Car-/253011627485?hash=item3ae8ab0ddd:g:xkgAAOSw-89ZT-lz

I'd love to see what the guys down at the NCT centre would do with that, when you took it in...

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

georgefalls wrote: »

I'd love to see what the guys down at the NCT centre would do with that, when you took it in...

Having recently looked at their criteria for failing cars, it would probably pass on everything but fail on the Irish translation of the county the car was first registered in on the numberplates.

ironclaw

Gravelly wrote: »

A hacked-to-death DeLorean for a mere £65k

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DeLorean-Time-Machine-Back-to-the-Future-Replica-DMC-12-Car-/253011627485?hash=item3ae8ab0ddd:g:xkgAAOSw-89ZT-lz

You'd make your money back in 2 years if you had it out every weekend of two for ~500GBP a shot to sit somewhere as a PR stunt. You could then probably sell it for what you bought it for.

Good investment if you were willing to work with it, you'd get more interest than a bank.

colm_mcm

Even if you don't, you can always go back and not buy it.

ohnonotgmail

colm_mcm wrote: »

Even if you don't, you can always go back and not buy it.

that took me a second.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

colm_mcm wrote: »

Even if you don't, you can always go back and not buy it.

I want to thank this more than once.

Muppet Man

You would want seriously deep pockets and a lifetime of passion to make this investment:
https://www.redlinespecialistcars.co.uk/used-cars/ford-escort-2-0-3dr-knaresborough-201706246740915/

How would you even value something like that...

Stunning high end cars on that website

ohnonotgmail

Muppet Man wrote: »

You would want seriously deep pockets and a lifetime of passion to make this investment:
https://www.redlinespecialistcars.co.uk/used-cars/ford-escort-2-0-3dr-knaresborough-201706246740915/

How would you even value something like that...

Stunning high end cars on that website

is it just me or do the wheels look totally lost in the arches?

georgefalls

colm_mcm wrote: »

Even if you don't, you can always go back and not buy it.

I'd like to thank this reply, next Tuesday.

wotzgoingon

Muppet Man wrote: »

You would want seriously deep pockets and a lifetime of passion to make this investment:
https://www.redlinespecialistcars.co.uk/used-cars/ford-escort-2-0-3dr-knaresborough-201706246740915/

How would you even value something like that...

Stunning high end cars on that website

That's a seriously nice car though.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is it just me or do the wheels look totally lost in the arches?

I think it fits the car though. There was no such thing as large alloy wheels back then.

millington

Muppet Man wrote: »

You would want seriously deep pockets and a lifetime of passion to make this investment:
https://www.redlinespecialistcars.co.uk/used-cars/ford-escort-2-0-3dr-knaresborough-201706246740915/

How would you even value something like that...

Stunning high end cars on that website

That is astronomically overpriced :eek:

turbocab

grogi wrote: »

You can't prevent them from wanting money. Just don't pay it if you think the car is overpriced.

people here wont pay for decent classic cars,i had a mint 944turbo with 40kmiles fsh, was insulted with offers 0f less than 10,000 euros,sold it to the uk for 18,ooo sterling,

Gravelly

turbocab wrote: »

people here wont pay for decent classic cars,i had a mint 944turbo with 40kmiles fsh, was insulted with offers 0f less than 10,000 euros,sold it to the uk for 18,ooo sterling,

Probably has a lot to do with the size of the classic market here compared to the UK - I've bought and sold most of the classics I've owned in the UK simply because there are probably 1000 times the amount of buyers and sellers there compared to here. BTW the 944 Turbo is in my opinion, one of the best practical cars ever made.