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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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Sweet Science

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well first of all, the writer doesn't infer, the reader does... I suspect you meant imply?

Secondly, there is no hypocrisy in what I said as for McGregor to get the same outcome from this fight he wouldn't have to use the same style of punch nor adopt the same stance.

You boxing fans keep criticizing punches thrown by MMA fighters because you are viewing them from the prescriptive of what makes a good punch in a boxing ring..... but they two different things entirely.[/QUOTE]

Exactly . Because they are 2 different sports with 2 different set of skills . You're finally getting it

ThinkProgress

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You (and others) keep on saying that but MMA is not boxing and so punches are thrown with greater distances apart and with a much different stance due to the fact that the fight also has to be reading to defend a take down, knee or kick to the body. You're never going to see punches thrown in MMA the way they are in boxing as a result. You haven't a clue.

If you think McGregor will be punching this way in the ring.... you're seriously naive.

As Holly Holm (boxer and mma fighter) recently said in an interview:

I think it is YOU that is without a clue...

All this post really achieved, was to once again highlight that these are two different sports!!!

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well first of all, the writer doesn't infer, the reader does... I suspect you meant imply?

Secondly, there is no hypocrisy in what I said as for McGregor to get the same outcome from this fight he wouldn't have to use the same style of punch nor adopt the same stance.

You boxing fans keep criticizing punches thrown by MMA fighters because you are viewing them from the prescriptive of what makes a good punch in a boxing ring..... but they two different things entirely.

Because they are two different sports... :rolleyes:

Btw, I guarantee you if we swapped Aldo for Floyd in that above clip... there is no way (for me anyway) that Mayweather goes to sleep from that punch!

Great punch - no question - but a top boxer like Floyd doesn't get slept by that in my book! May wobble his knees a bit... but he'd still be standing!

(and it goes without saying, that it's very unlikely he would walk into it chin first like Aldo did) :pac:

ThinkProgress

Sweet Science wrote: »

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well first of all, the writer doesn't infer, the reader does... I suspect you meant imply?

Secondly, there is no hypocrisy in what I said as for McGregor to get the same outcome from this fight he wouldn't have to use the same style of punch nor adopt the same stance.

You boxing fans keep criticizing punches thrown by MMA fighters because you are viewing them from the prescriptive of what makes a good punch in a boxing ring..... but they two different things entirely.

Exactly . Because they are 2 different sports with 2 different set of skills . You're finally getting it

lol - Read my mind... was typing that post out before I seen your post.

wonderfullife

Sweet Science wrote: »

4 rounds to 3 after 7 rounds .

There is actual real people out there who believe this could happen.

Andre Ward said as much as well but I remember being told he "doesn't really believe that". Funny how many psychics on here who know what other people truly believe.

It's simply a fact that Floyd is vulnerable in the earlier rounds (scorecard wise!) to brawlers/awkward fighters/southpaws.

Fine, vulnerable to *boxers* who do all of the above early. I could list you a dozen fights it was close on the scorecards with Floyd until the 8th where he pulled away in the contest.

Conor will have the entire crowd behind him going mental anytime he lands *anything*. Floyd very rarely wins rounds by a lot, even the Berto fight one Judge gave Berto 3 rounds.

In those tight early rounds while Floyd is figuring him out, it's obviously possible that Conor can sneak some rounds on the scorecards by not doing a whole lot.

If you're so confident of otherwise then put some money on Floyd to win 120-108 on the official scorecard.

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

Andre Ward said as much as well but I remember being told he "doesn't really believe that". Funny how many psychics on here who know what other people truly believe.

He doesn't. He's bullsh1tting for the sake of it...

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

Andre Ward said as much as well but I remember being told he "doesn't really believe that". Funny how many psychics on here who know what other people truly believe.

Because hes p4p best boxer on the planet doesnt mean he cant be wrong, I think his opinion is absolute rubbish talk and will stick by it, wont win a single round and I'll stand by my prediction, does that mean I know more about boxing than Ward? Nope,

You're claiming hes had trouble with southpaws and dropped rounds ect yet you fail to realise that was to world elite level boxers not 0-0 mma fighters you're not stupid but these comments make you appear so.

Outlaw Pete

Sweet Science wrote: »

Exactly . Because they are 2 different sports with 2 different set of skills . You're finally getting it

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I think it is YOU that is without a clue...

All this post really achieved, was to once again highlight that these are two different sports!!!

The pair of you really don't get it.

You sneer at McGregor's punching style and stance (multiple times) and so it's pointed out to you that it is idiotic to do so given that a MMA is a different sport and fighters within it would be foolish to adopt the same stance or style of boxer in a boxing fight given that it would just make it far easier for their opponent to attempt a take down, knee or kick them................... and your response to this is 'Exactly, they're two different sports' :pac:

Talk about missing the point by a country mile.

The fact that McGregor won't need to adopt an MMA stance or throw punches in the same manner he needs to in an MMA fight...... is to his ADVANTAGE!!!! It will just increase his power and precision given that he won't have to worry about be grappled, kicked or kneed.

The way you folks go on is laughable.

Halloween Jack

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The pair of you really don't get it.

You sneer at McGregor's punching style and stance (multiple times) and so it's pointed out to you that it is idiotic to do so given that a MMA is a different sport and fighters within it would be foolish to adopt the same stance or style of boxer in a boxing fight given that it would just make it far easier for their opponent to attempt a take down, knee or kick them................... and your response to this is 'Exactly, they're two different sports' :pac:

Talk about missing the point by a country mile.

The fact that McGregor won't need to adopt an MMA stance or throw punches in the same manner he needs to in an MMA fight...... is to his ADVANTAGE!!!! It will just increase his power and precision given that he won't have to worry about be grappled, kicked or kneed.

The way you folks go on is laughable.

How is having to learn and perfect an entirely new set of skills to his advantage?

A Shaved Duck?

wonderfullife wrote: »

Andre Ward said as much as well but I remember being told he "doesn't really believe that". Funny how many psychics on here who know what other people truly believe.

It's simply a fact that Floyd is vulnerable in the earlier rounds (scorecard wise!) to brawlers/awkward fighters/southpaws.

Fine, vulnerable to *boxers* who do all of the above early. I could list you a dozen fights it was close on the scorecards with Floyd until the 8th where he pulled away in the contest.

Conor will have the entire crowd behind him going mental anytime he lands *anything*. Floyd very rarely wins rounds by a lot, even the Berto fight one Judge gave Berto 3 rounds.

In those tight early rounds while Floyd is figuring him out, it's obviously possible that Conor can sneak some rounds on the scorecards by not doing a whole lot.

If you're so confident of otherwise then put some money on Floyd to win 120-108 on the official scorecard.

Seriously ...put down the internet.. you are embaressing yourself.

ThinkProgress

wonderfullife wrote: »

Andre Ward said as much as well but I remember being told he "doesn't really believe that". Funny how many psychics on here who know what other people truly believe.

Andre Ward also said, that fighting McGregor was a great way for Floyd to get #50... so he's either bullsh!tting... or he has very little respect for the history and traditions of boxing.

Why would a boxing fan, want to see Floyd take on a MMA fighter, rather than a top boxing contender, such as GGG or a rematch with Canelo etc etc... Those guys could really test him to the edge of his talents.

Bearing in mind that this could be the final time we ever get the pleasure of watching Floyd in the squared circle, before he hangs up the gloves forever!

It's simply a fact that Floyd is vulnerable in the earlier rounds (scorecard wise!) to brawlers/awkward fighters/southpaws.

Fine, vulnerable to *boxers* who do all of the above early. I could list you a dozen fights it was close on the scorecards with Floyd until the 8th where he pulled away in the contest.

Conor will have the entire crowd behind him going mental anytime he lands *anything*. Floyd very rarely wins rounds by a lot, even the Berto fight one Judge gave Berto 3 rounds.

In those tight early rounds while Floyd is figuring him out, it's obviously possible that Conor can sneak some rounds on the scorecards by not doing a whole lot.

McGregor is neither a brawler or a boxer... he's a patient MMA striker, that picks his shots. (usually after his opponent has lunged in or is off balance/fatigued)

The fact you actually think Conor has a chance to win round(s) on the scorecard, shows how little you actually understand about the sport... it's actually funny to read.

Whatever tiny chance McGregor has, it's not by outpointing Mayweather! lol

If you're so confident of otherwise then put some money on Floyd to win 120-108 on the official scorecard.

Where is your money going?

You're hyping up McGregor's chances... but you don't seem confident enough to put your money where your mouth is!!

I think you're just a big bluffer!!

You don't have a clue what is going to happen come Aug 27th... and it bothers you that other people do! You're a big McGregor fanboy, and it irks you that your hero is going into battle with so many people predicting his demise!

Just buy your ticket, and enjoy the show!! Stop pretending you have a notion! :pac:

Joeseph Balls

willmunny1990 wrote: »

He only gets that if he fights an actual boxer, or a somewhat credible opponent.

I certainly wouldn't entertain him being 50-0 after this thing fight, occasion circus or whatever this farce is supposed to be.

Connor is an 'actual boxer' though, he has got his licence, and wether you or I entertain it, Floyd's record will be 50-0 should he win.

walshb

ThinkProgress wrote: »

The fact you actually think Conor has a chance to win round(s) on the scorecard, shows how little you actually understand about the sport... it's actually funny to read.

Yes, but he'll have you should Floyd pick a rd or two to do next to nothing but play with Conor.

If Floyd does do this, goes out and does very little, and Conor is trying and having "success" then that could gab him an official round...

I think boxing fans should be able to spot these give away rds...If they present themselves.

[Deleted User]

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The pair of you really don't get it.

You sneer at McGregor's punching style and stance (multiple times) and so it's pointed out to you that it is idiotic to do so given that a MMA is a different sport and fighters within it would be foolish to adopt the same stance or style of boxer in a boxing fight given that it would just make it far easier for their opponent to attempt a take down, knee or kick them................... and your response to this is 'Exactly, they're two different sports' :pac:

Talk about missing the point by a country mile.

The fact that McGregor won't need to adopt an MMA stance or throw punches in the same manner he needs to in an MMA fight...... is to his ADVANTAGE!!!! It will just increase his power and precision given that he won't have to worry about be grappled, kicked or kneed.

The way you folks go on is laughable.

He'll just be able to throw punches like a boxer who's been at it for decades at the top level after a couple of months? And generate a boxer's power? And defence? Wise up.

Outlaw Pete

Halloween Jack wrote: »

How is having to learn and perfect an entirely new set of skills to his advantage?

They are not a new set of skills to him. He was a boxer first ffs!

And don't come back and say the above are not significant as that's not the point at all..... the point is that a lot of you (mainly boxing fans) sneer at Conor's boxing style only because you have no knowledge of MMA... or McGregor's history.

John Kavanagh spent years trying to get Conor to stop fighting in the octogan how he was used to fighting in a boxing ring, which is why in his early fights if he knocked a fighter down, he would immediately motion for them to get back up given that his grappling / bjj was useless those first five years after he took up MMA...... but after was beaten on the ground twice he listened to John, mastered bjj and went on to win his first belt on the ground.

Some of you really need to learn about what you speak of as it's clear from your comments you know nothing about MMA nor Conor McGregor.

I believe Mayweather will win by the way....... if it goes past three rounds, Mayweather schools him....... but in those first three rounds I absolutely give McGregor a chance...... as if he can land some punches on Floyd (and I fully appreciate that is unlikely) .... he will rock him without question.

The only way I see McGregor winning in later rounds (or by points) would be if Mayweather was hurt in the first three rounds and carried on with a badly cut eye, burst spleen, broken ribs etc.

Conor's an animal folks and while of course Mayweather should of course be clear favourite and most likely will win...... McGregor absolutely without question has a chance, all be it a slim one. Only the uninformed would think he doesn't.

walshb

The 2006 Dublin Novice title was at the back end of Conor's boxing career.

Apparently he won a national youth title before this novice title. The dates and logic do not add up here. Conor was 17/18 for this title. How was he a novice at that stage? He finished up boxing circa 2006.

But let us assume that the image is for Conor and his 20006 Novice Title, how that qualifies him as having already mastered the skillsets for a pro boxing bout is beyond me. It's some leap!

Outlaw Pete

walshb wrote: »

But let us assume that the image is for Conor and his 20006 Novice Title, how that qualifies him as having already mastered the skillsets for a pro boxing bout is beyond me. It's some leap!

NOBODY questions that! It's a strawman argument.

Even MMA fans are perplexed that he has got this fight.....

....but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a chance or that nothing he has shown so far matters, or that Floyd could beat him with one arm..... all of which are nonsense that you have come out with.

ThinkProgress

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but he'll have you should Floyd pick a rd or two to do next to nothing but play with Conor.

If Floyd does do this, goes out and does very little, and Conor is trying and having "success" then that could gab him an official round...

I think boxing fans should be able to spot these give away rds...If they present themselves.

Maybe, with those big f*ckin 10 oz pillow gloves they'll both be wearing!

Still think it's playing with fire if Mayweather messes around too much though.

But I don't see Conor having the workrate or punch output to trouble the scorecards... Floyd could probably smoke a cigar in the corner, while also playing air guitar, and still throw and land more in any round with ease! :pac:

walshb

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

NOBODY questions that! It's a strawman argument.

Even MMA fans are perplexed that he has got this fight.....

....but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a chance or that nothing he has shown so far matters, or that Floyd could beat him with one arm..... all of which are nonsense that you have come out with.

You are making a strong logical (your logic) case for a Conor win, and when it's laughed at and kind of shot down it irks you. It really is that simple. In other words it's all a bit too personal to you...

[Deleted User]

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

NOBODY questions that! It's a strawman argument.

Even MMA fans are perplexed that he has got this fight.....

....but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a chance or that nothing he has shown so far matters, or that Floyd could beat him with one arm..... all of which are nonsense that you have come out with.

Are they? I'm a casual fan of both sports, that's as far as I go. But anyone who has a brain knows how he got this fight; self-promotion and money. That's all there is to it.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that pro boxing is questionable at best when it comes to ethics and fairness. Pro boxing is about money. Sometimes that means the best fighting the best, other times, like now, it's more like professional wrestling where it's all about promotion and selling an idea. MMA as a newer sport hasn't quite settled into that yet (though if you want to pretend there isn't a huge overlap with professional wrestling in the promotion side that's up to the individual) but it's been evident from the start that money plays a big part.
If you're talking about how someone with no professional fights fighting one of the greatest boxers of all time gets sanctioned, again it's all about money. Simples.

Outlaw Pete

Deleted User wrote: »

Are they?

I was obviously referring to the fact that he has never had a professional boxing match before and in his first fight is fighting Floyd Mayweather...... in that regard it's perplexing for sure.

Boxing fans (or some of them at least) seem to think mma fans are of the opinion that he has the fight on merit.... I don't think anyone thinks that.

walshb wrote: »

You are making a storing logical (your logic) case for a Conor win, and when it's laughed at and kind of shot down it irks you. It really is that simple. In other words it's all a bit too personal to you...

I see you saying similar to users on the MMA forum. Seems to be a posting style of yours to passive aggressively suggest posters are taking things personally.

Doesn't make it so.

Outlaw Pete

walshb wrote: »

You are making a storing logical (your logic) case for a Conor win, and when it's laughed at and kind of shot down it irks you. It really is that simple. In other words it's all a bit too personal to you...

I see you saying similar to users on the MMA forum. Seems to be a posting style of yours to passive aggressively suggest posters are taking things personally.

Doesn't make it so.

ThinkProgress

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The pair of you really don't get it.

You sneer at McGregor's punching style and stance (multiple times) and so it's pointed out to you that it is idiotic to do so given that a MMA is a different sport and fighters within it would be foolish to adopt the same stance or style of boxer in a boxing fight given that it would just make it far easier for their opponent to attempt a take down, knee or kick them................... and your response to this is 'Exactly, they're two different sports' :pac:

Talk about missing the point by a country mile.

The fact that McGregor won't need to adopt an MMA stance or throw punches in the same manner he needs to in an MMA fight...... is to his ADVANTAGE!!!! It will just increase his power and precision given that he won't have to worry about be grappled, kicked or kneed.

The way you folks go on is laughable.

So, you don't think experience and decades of training in a particular sport counts for much then...?

Because that's what I'm getting from your post... you think McGregor can just spend a few months focusing solely on boxing, and bridge a gap with someone who has been doing nothing else for more than 3 decades?? :rolleyes:

You really are swallowing that Kavanagh/SBG tripe about training being easier now, without all the other MMA skills...!? lol

How the f*ck do some people manage to navigate their lives with this level of naivety...?? It really boggles my mind...

McGregor is not going to bridge the gap in skills with Floyd, in a few months... not even a little bit. It takes YEARS to get to that level.

Do you seriously think that McGregor punches harder than Canelo inside a boxing ring? Not a chance in hell... and Canelo has the boxing ability to get in range, to give him a chance of landing something big.

McGregor won't have those skills... so the chance of him being able to set up something to land his "big left" is extremely remote. He will be chasing shadows all night, until whatever point Mayweather decides he's had enough and ends it.

And it will be boring, too btw... don't forget that.

If you buy this PPV, make sure you enjoy the pre-fight circus... because that's what you'll mostly be paying for. The actual fight, will be a total non event. Mayweather will (very skillfully) stink the place out!!! :pac:

walshb

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I see you saying similar to users on the MMA forum. Seems to be a posting style of yours to passive aggressively suggest posters are taking things personally.

Doesn't make it so.

I may be passive aggressive, but no such subtlety with you.

And only one other poster (wonder) seems almost take offence when anything not so glowing for Conor is mentioned.

ThinkProgress

walshb wrote: »

You are making a storing logical (your logic) case for a Conor win, and when it's laughed at and kind of shot down it irks you. It really is that simple. In other words it's all a bit too personal to you...

It's a great point.

I think the McGregor hype train over the last few years has gotten WAY out of hand... it's like WWE at this stage!

His most loyal fans, simply can't handle the idea of him being a major underdog in a fight. They have gotten used to his trash talking (and performances also tbf) turning him into some kind of fighting demi god...

They are so used to him having the psychological edge over all of his opponents... they simply can't handle any other scenario. Being a McGregor fanboy, means buying into the hype of him being almost unbeatable!

But it's a big lie... everyone is beatable IF you have the ability, the will and the right strategy! McGregor is no different... (Diaz proved that, and he's pretty average tbh) He's a very good fighter (in MMA), with an exciting style... but he's far from perfect.

But most importantly, he's not a boxer!!!

Frank Bullitt

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Just noticed that the boxing statue doesn't have a left hand...and "The Left" is what will trouble Mayweather.

Sweet Science

He was top scorer for his soccer team before he signed with ufc

Sure he should start training for 2 months and start up front for Ireland for the world cup qualifiers

walshb

Sweet Science wrote: »

He was top scorer for his soccer team before he signed with ufc

Sure he should start training for 2 months and start up front for Ireland for the world cup qualifiers

Well at least he wouldn't be near as out of place!

Outlaw Pete

ThinkProgress wrote: »

So, you don't think experience and decades of training in a particular sport counts for much then...?

Never said that. Never implied that.

In fact I said Mayweather will most likely school Conor if it gets past the third, that he'd would most likely win and that Conor only has a slim chance of victory. How the hell could that possibly sound like someone who believes experience and decades of training in a particular sport doesn't count for much?

Because that's what I'm getting from your post...

What you infer from my posts has little to do with the actual content of them so perhaps it would be best if you no longer replied to them? Good man yourself.

.....you think McGregor can just spend a few months focusing solely on boxing, and bridge a gap with someone who has been doing nothing else for more than 3 decades?? :rolleyes:

If I thought that.... why would I say he only has a "slim chance" of victory?

Again: you're not doing yourself any favours with these kind of replies as they are all just strawman arguments. That's three and I'm only half way through your post.

You did the same in the AMA with JK. You're more interested in the sound of your own voice than actually paying attention to what people are saying to you.

ThinkProgress wrote: »

It's a great point.

No, it's really not.... it's just the usual resorting to ad hominems whenever someone has no retort for an argument being made. That and strawmans are all you folks have.

Sweet Science wrote: »

Sure he should start training for 2 months and start up front for Ireland for the world cup qualifiers

No, because he hasn't earned it on merit, just like this fight.

If it did happen though......... I'd be equally as perplexed as I am that he got this fight (money being the motivating factor for all concerned of course) and in the lead up to his first match I would correct anyone that said he had to learn a whole "new set of skills" (given that he had played a decent level before) and then come match night I'd give him a "slim chance" of scoring, maybe a penalty would be his best hope but would suggest that it "highly unlikely" he'd scoring in open play.

Wait, that's almost exactly what I'm saying about this fight.......... what a coincidence.

wonderfullife

walshb wrote: »

I may be passive aggressive, but no such subtlety with you.

And only one other poster (wonder) seems almost take offence when anything not so glowing for Conor is mentioned.

Yeah, all your lame attempts to paint me some sort of fawning sycophant "fanboy" are pathetic and ignorant.

I criticize Conor often.

The fact I believe he has a genuine chance of being very competitive against Floyd is my opinion.

I think boxing is a very limited combat sport utilising only 4 weapons. I think people over-play Floyd's defensive genius. I think Floyd gets hit and gets hit clean plenty in almost every fight and the Compubox numbers back that up.

Most importantly, I believe fighting Floyd breaks a lot of other fighters mentally under the pressure of the biggest stage imaginable. Conor thrives under the pressure and will be calm in there.

I think he's got a great shot at proving all of you wrong.

Anyway here's a handful of examples where I criticized him.

wonderfullife wrote:

Where i would criticize Conor is the fact that at the UFC 205 Presser he said he's on track to make $40 million this year. And just hours later, a post from Luka Jelcic surfaced on Facebook where he's looking for help with a few sponsors on his shorts.

To me, that just felt wrong. Luka has been a close training partner and big help to Conor and he's there scratching around looking for a couple hundred euro short money, hours after Conor boasting about $40 million.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Conor surely realizes 11 people are dead on both sides of the Kinahan-Hutch feud in the past 12 months? 4-day-benders alongside very solid targets to be shot next isn't a bright idea.

I get it, a lot of them were/are his mates as a teenager but he's about to become a father, he doesn't need to be going on coked-up benders with those boys. The Byrnes and Kinahans have destroyed the lives of many decent ordinary families.

wonderfullife wrote: »

You'd have to say he has made John look a bit silly this week in some ways. John is over in Sydney telling tv channels Conor has begun his new base-cardio program for Floyd and meanwhile Conor is on this 4 day bender, possibly off his rocker on coke & pills, possibly cheating on his missus :pac:

wonderfullife wrote: »

All sorts can go wrong when you're continually on benders and he's been on them for months now. I was told by someone he's even smoking (cigs) way more lately.

You'd think with all that money and a baby imminent he could think of better things to be doing than climbing 25 foot treehouses while off his rocker in the back-arse of nowhere in Liverpool....

wonderfullife wrote: »

You'd have to question who is advising him.... So far it's been dodgy stock trading apps, luxury cars, luxury fitness programs, PPV interviews.....On top of that his fans were priced out of UFC 205 and will be seriously priced out of the Floyd fight where the worst tickets will be over $2,000.

Slippery slope.

walshb

Conor hater!