visatorro wrote: » Very sorry Waffletraktor can you put that in simple terms for me please?!
Waffletraktor wrote: » What type of method was used in the other part? There is an accepted school of thought here that graminacea crops cause a quick build up of antaginous organic acids that need to be gotten rid of in a fresh stuble for growth to take off. Something similar to burning off a field of grass and not getting a decent shot of rain for cultivating it in.
yosemitesam1 wrote: » Was my first time in moorepark today and don't think I'll be back, hopefully will get to the groundswell show next year instead
Waffletraktor wrote: » I'm sorry, i'm normally as awful at trying to get something across . There is a school of thought fairly well accepted when turning around ground from graminaea crops (grass/cereal crops etc) quickly there is a build up of toxic organic acids due to an anaerobic conditions formed that need a big rain event or cultivation to mix up the soil and accelerate decomposition to clear the acids faster. Equivalent to chopping straw or say burning off a grass stuble, to turn the field around and replant quickly if you dont cultivate and mix up the soil/residue or enough rain to was it through the soil you can get a short term build up of acids/organic compounds that affect growth of new crops. So say burning off a thickish sward-DD grass seed- and then it turns dry for a few weeks. Would be called the two simons theory. Also sometimes glyphosate can hang around in the soil and do damage if used to dessicate a crop in a low-til scenario.. Skip to 'white section' 1/3 way down if you've time. Going towards mechanical desication of seedbeds here with discs and a heavy set of rolls.http://www.notill.org/sites/default/files/le_8-3_web.pdf
kowtow wrote: » The Teagasc guy said they had all noticed the reseed without roundup was more vigorous and nobody understood why! They thought it might just be that bit of the field... The Teagasc lad leading our group through the demo said that plot looked better because the sward was more dense as old weed grasses weren't killed off and came back up with new seedlings. What struck me was the amount of docks in the plot with no pre/post spray treatment, especially in Moorepark where there wouldn't have hardly been any docks before reseeding. Just shows how they can lay dormant in the soil and germinate when the soil is disturbed. Either that or they threw in some dock seed at reseeding to make the trial look more convincing!
Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
Mooooo wrote: » Strange how labour costs were lower in winterside also interested in the price paid for winter and conditions associated dairygold bonus of 5.6 cent is poor. I think clona is 9 cent but more milk required in winter
whelan2 wrote: » Is it labour required in the intensive spring calving system is more in a shorter period? I cant see myself moving to all spring until I get some labour sorted
visatorro wrote: » So bury rotting material if no rain is forecast?
Wildsurfer wrote: » kowtow wrote: » The Teagasc guy said they had all noticed the reseed without roundup was more vigorous and nobody understood why! They thought it might just be that bit of the field... The Teagasc lad leading our group through the demo said that plot looked better because the sward was more dense as old weed grasses weren't killed off and came back up with new seedlings. What struck me was the amount of docks in the plot with no pre/post spray treatment, especially in Moorepark where there wouldn't have hardly been any docks before reseeding. Just shows how they can lay dormant in the soil and germinate when the soil is disturbed. Either that or they threw in some dock seed at reseeding to make the trial look more convincing! Or it comes in the grass seed! I often had that Taugh myself
The part time boy wrote: » Why so . I did not make it this year but have been there other years
Mooooo wrote: » I don't know, one of the perceived bonuses was split calving splitting the workload but the constant going got to me so I'm out of it, calving breeding calving breeding and back again. Hopefully with spring I can focus on one job get it done then on to the next and at least have a quieter winter. Have a man part time now who also works with the neighbour and may see if I can get an extra bit for a few weeks in spring.there were other things aside from the farm as well so simplifying things is the way to go for me., at a ****ty 5.6c bonus anyway
kowtow wrote: » Did anyone do the taste test of pasture milk vs tmr & maize silage? What was notable was that the samples were unhomogenised - they said people wouldn't have been able to tell the difference otherwise!
Buford T. Justice V wrote: » For me, the putting in stone on the bottom of the drain before putting in the drain to prevent build up of silt in the pipe was the interesting point today. And a the roadways were interesting too.
Waffletraktor wrote: » Groundswell is for looking at the sharp edge of growing stuff(crops/grass/herb leys) and what we need to learn to start farming for tommorow, you'll be doing it in 10 years once Yosemitesam has done the dog work learning it now. (Not meant to inflamatory, it's looking at actual more sustainable farming systems for tomorow not just fancy irish grass marketing about sustainable oil and chemicaly fed monopastures)
mf240 wrote: » Just put stones in the shores around here no pipes. Work perfect.
Timmaay wrote: » Sums it up for me also, would never go back to split calving. Still looking at spring time labour, but have a few potential options. Having to use labour in the autumn to help calf down a small number of cows would be a complete waste because you'd largely need to be around the whole time yourself anyways, and the 2nd person would nearly be a hindrance, split calving just complete goes against the keep it simple mentality and creates more work that would need the likes of a 15c+ bonus to ever justify at the scale I'd be looking at.
whelan2 wrote: » Most farms wouldnt need a second labour unit for the autumn calvers, it can be as easy or as hard as you make it.
leg wax wrote: » just had the morning off milking, oldest milked on his own, sitting here and out of sorts as my day has changed
orm0nd wrote: » same here pipe the outlets only, through clay rather than stone, otherwise will have problems in years to come
kowtow wrote: » Stupid question I am sure, but when we refer to additional profit per cow as a result of a reduced calving interval, where - exactly - is that profit coming from? Are assumptions being made about drying off dates and lost milk as if a herd was already in a tight spring calving pattern, or is it about matching future calving dates to peak grass production? ... I think what I am trying to say is would the additional profit or loss from fertility be the same if a herd was already a deliberately all year round calving herd?
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