Graham wrote: » you keep claiming that if 'these people' are satisfied a woman has been raped they'll allow her to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. You must think that something will satisfy them, either that or you're asking because you are well aware that nothing will satisfy these people.
Syphonax wrote: » If a woman is raped I would imagine that it can be proven outside the natural timeframe of a court
freshpopcorn wrote: » Ok, I try and explain this as best as I can. I think theirs a lot of people who are pro life and pro choice. Then theirs these on the fence voters who each side want to attract. On the fence voters are people who don't love the idea or don't hate the idea. A lot of these support the idea of abortion in the case of fatal fetal abnormalities. They'd also like to see abortion introduced in cases where a woman was raped but they don't want to see every person who wants an abortion just be able to say I was raped and get one. Does that make sense?
B0jangles wrote: » OK, great, hurdle one complete! Continue the line of enquiry - how then do we legislate to allow for abortion in the case of rape when it is impossible for a rape conviction to have happened within the very limited time limits around abortions?
freshpopcorn wrote: » They want abortion just in cases of rape and fatal fetal abnormalities and no other reasons. If the government can't guarantee this they'll be voting to keep the 8th! I want to be able to give the people the proof they need but I can't seem to find it or I don't know how it will be possible.
Graham wrote: » That's not much of an answer really. You obviously think there's some level of proof that 'these people' will accept, you keep bringing it up. I'm just curious to know what you think that is.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » Having said that, I really don't think holding simultaneous and co-located counter rallies is ever a good idea. Let them have their moment and then try and have an even bigger repeal rally the following week would have been a better strategy IMO.
RDM_83 again wrote: » Well devils advocate here as I do completely get your point but could it be put into practice that a formal statement has to be made to the garda that a rape has occurred. The Garda then have a duty to investigate and if the person making the complaint doesn't aid to their fullest in said investigation you charge them with perverting the course of Justice. It would be a very wasteful procedure but it would deter false reporting and whatever about this proposal we really shouldn't treat false reporting of very serious crimes as a nothing thing
freshpopcorn wrote: » Honestly some magic truth teller that wouldn't allow abortion to people who weren't raped.
endacl wrote: » My 2c... If a woman, for whatever personal reason, feels an abortion is the right choice for her, none of my business. Go for it. If anybody doesn't want an abortion, for whatever personal reason, none of my business. Don't go for it. I'll certainly be voting for choice. Not 'pro abortion'. That's just a silly phrase.
Graham wrote: » Tough question. What sort of proof do you think it would take to satisfy these people?
suicide_circus wrote: » I suppose the answer is that there is no way in which the state can make that call as every case is different so we'll need to leave it to the individual and their healthcare professionals to make it.
freshpopcorn wrote: » Can you explain it to me a little. If the referendum was just to legalise abortion just in cases of rape. Could you explain to me how it wouldn't be open to everybody who said they were raped? If I could I could convince people to vote for the repeal.
freshpopcorn wrote: » They'd also like to see abortion introduced in cases where a woman was raped but they don't want to see every person who wants an abortion just be able to say I was raped and get one. Does that make sense?
Syphonax wrote: » Not sure I follow ya, if you're talking about women that were raped before any new legislation was brought in then you're talking about something then didnt exist at the time they were raped and thus has no legal effect on them.
Syphonax wrote: » LOL thanks for the HINT, I was completely unaware with my sarcastic hat on that a court case might last longer than nine months, how enlightening you are. Sarcasm hat off.
B0jangles wrote: » Ok, here's a little thought experiment - 1.) How long do you think it takes for a rape accusation to go through the full legal process from initial reporting, investigation, arrest of accused, and finally a trial resulting in a guilty verdict? 2.) How long does it take for a pregnancy to turn into a baby? (Hint: One of these times is significantly longer than the other)
Rebekah Strong Archivist wrote: » Ha! This question? So yeah, you haven't thought it through. And now you're being called out and getting abusive. As someone who would really like to see the 8th repealed, please keep talking because you're helping my cause massively. However, I am done talking to you. And that's a post quite littered with spelling and punctuation errors seeing as it's criticising me for asking a question like a two year old, just fyi.
Syphonax wrote: » Im not your "mate" and your question was asked like a two year old, try and be more articulate if thats possible? Im havent been involved in many abortion cases and not a lawyer so I doubt I could give yo a full frank definition but common sense would say its not as simple as "I was raped, now wheres my portable baby murdering device".
Syphonax wrote: » Im not your "mate" and your question was asked like a two year old, try and be more articulate if thats possible?
Rebekah Strong Archivist wrote: » How does abortion in the case of rape work on a practical level?
Im havent been involved into two many abortion cases and not a lawyer so I dobt I could give yo a full frank defination but common sense would say its not as simple as "I was raped, now wheres my portable baby murdering device".
Rebekah Strong Archivist wrote: » You really haven't thought this through mate. Step by step, from a woman going to her doctor and asking for an abortion, walk me through how it works that you allow women who've been raped to access abortion, but not other women.
Syphonax wrote: » Yes its THAT straight forward. Dont be soft.
Syphonax wrote: » Ehhh Huh? I would imagine if you get raped you have an abortion.
