Spanish Eyes wrote: » DAA don't give a dam. If they did they would be all over the DOJ/DFA like a rash to get it sorted, and/or would extend the immigration hall to look half decent. But they don't care about immigration, only the concessions, and anything else that results in income. Immigration halls do not do that.
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The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » May have missed it mentioned in here already, but why are the automatic gates ripped out at T1 ? Not that they ever worked. The rest of the world seems to manage them, but the ones there could take 20 gos to try to get through (after giving up several times and going back to a booth, I stopped even trying them).
The Veteran wrote: » Subject of Gates covered earlier; supplier chosen and work is underway to see Gates installed in the Autumn. The old ones weren't perfect - they were from two different companies and were on trial - but in busy weeks got close on to 20,000 in a week.
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » I hope they bought from neither of those companies. I would have thought it was well tried technology elsewhere at this stage, and they could just buy the ones that work. Frankfurt and Paris I think have them working with no issues, so why they should have been testing ones that dont work seem strange.
Fred Swanson wrote: » Is it true they are really not automatic and that a human reviews each person before the gates will open?
With the exception of a very limited number travelling on ferries from France, the underlying reason for the difference in processing at the airports is that every other route into Ireland the passengers have been processed through the (very structured and rigid) UK immigration and control processes, whereas there are no guarantees that people arriving into Dublin by air have been through an EU or UK passport control check, due to the somewhat nebulous manner in which such formalities are carried out at European locations, and in some cases, a transit passenger into Ireland via an EU airport may well not have been fully and appropriately checked prior to arrival in Ireland, and the numbers arriving in Dublin massively dwarfs the numbers arriving by ferry or across the border from the North. Then there is the issue of the sheer volume of numbers. I've travelled on a number of the ferries over the last while, the numbers of foot passengers on most sailings is relatively low, and can be managed quite easily, whereas there are no facilities at the airport to perform checks on each flight, unless you want to put a passport control point on each gate, which is not going to be practical, given that the same gate can be used for an A330, and the next flight on that gate could be an ATR42, which would mean having multiple kiosks at each gate, which is going to cause all manner of problems, and could well significantly delay the off loading of flights, which won't go down well with the airlines, handling agents or DAA. There are probably more passengers per day at the airport than there are in a month on the ferries, that's the reality of the way that travel has changed, and the issue at the airport is the way that passengers can cross Europe in a very short time with minimal checks, and with the numbers using Dublin as a transit hub, there are significant pressures from other countries to make sure that "the system" is aware of and managing such passengers.
trellheim wrote: » Are the forthcoming e-gates to process driving licenses etc as well or are they to be discriminatory against CTA passengers ? 5 of the top 10 routes into Dublin are CTA routes
Afaik driving licences don't contain any biometric data so I doubt it's possible to automate their use.
trellheim wrote: » quite a few solutions on the market for that, post 2013 licenses are easily scanned. A passport is not a requirement to produce for the majority of the inbounds.
trellheim wrote: » not sure I follow you there , the photo is on the license , all you are doing is establishing yourself as an Irishman , no requirement for biometric scanning whatsoever, you're assuming it is, and it is not for the majority of the inbounds. We are discussing a solution that is to cater for the minority of passengers who are required to produce a passport to immigration officers.
And the passport card won't work in the automated gates.
