gscully wrote: » Are you sure some idiots didn't just turn the signs around?
SweetCaliber wrote: That's what I thought at first, but on the way out to tramore on the superquinn end, there are new 80km signs up also.
mooseknunkle wrote: » The Tramore Road has to be the most frustrating road to drive in Waterford,whatever about sticking to the speed limit but it seems to attract the slowest drivers in Ireland one car doing 40 can hold up the whole road...
Johnboy1951 wrote: » That is indeed the fault of the road and not the driver.
Ballyv24 wrote: » It's great it is changed to 80 now. The issue is very few cars have noticed the increase so I ended up stuck behind a car doing 60 today
Chiparus wrote: » Actually think it will lead to a few accidents especially the turn into Kingfisher and Superquinn, but 30 seconds saved over 2.5 km , happy days!
Squidvicious wrote: » I think I know what you're saying - that the increase in permitted speed really makes no difference to people and a speed limit of 60KPH is no hardship. I can't disagree with that. However, I think that speed limits should be sensible and this one wasn't. It's a good stretch of road with only one exit/entrance between Kingfisher and the Roundabout. It didn't seem to me to be one that needed such a low limit. I rarely recall seeing a car that actually stick below 60KPH - a large majority of drivers broke the speed limit. When speed limits are commonly ignored, it leads to lack of respect for speed limits generally. There's an estate in Ferrybank that has a sign limiting speed to 8KPH. I doubt that a single car actually obeys this limit. Rules that nobody obeys serve no purpose.
Chiparus wrote: » Makes a difference if you are a pedestrian hit by a car. Now that the limit has been increased to 80kmph, you will find cars doing 90-100kmph there. its just human nature.
Squidvicious wrote: » What I meant by making no difference was that people travelling faster don't actually end up saving much time in reality - and I agree with you there. As for your point about increasing the speed limit to 80 and people will travel at 100, I'm not sure if that's true. For the most part, people obey speed limits but they didn't on that section of the Tramore road as a 60kph limit was probably too low. The Council has recognised this, sensibly in my view. The end point of your logic(set the limit at 80,drivers will do 100) would be that all speed limits must be reduced - if all speed limits were reduced to, say, 40kph, there would be fewer accidents but I doubt there's much support for that.
Chiparus wrote: » There are too many runners and cyclists on that road, hopefully nobody will be hurt .
barneystinson wrote: » The speed limit is 50km/h at both of those locations, as it has been for some time. The change is further out the road.
Chiparus wrote: » A lot of accidents happen where there is a sudden change in speed limits, speed drop from 80 to 50 is a lot , is there a 60 km transition zone?
SweetCaliber wrote: » If someone is incapable of dropping from 80km/h to 50km/h without causing an accident upon noticing the sign then they shouldn't be allowed to drive in the first place.
Chiparus wrote: » The problem is that people Cath 80 (+)kmh continue at that speed , miss the 50 kmph sign, and suddenly they are doing 80 kmh when a driver who does not see them turns right into Supervalue or Kingfisher
barneystinson wrote: » I'd call that natural selection in action chip. By your logic we should never have any road with a higher speed limit on it, because at some point people will need to reduce their speed, but might not.
Chiparus wrote: » No, higher speed limits are appropriate where there is safe design. But I don't know if the 30 seconds saved getting to the roundabout is worth the added risk.
barneystinson wrote: » Well the limit on that stretch of road was 60 mph for donkeys years before it was reduced to 60 km/h, do you remember it being an accident black spot, because I don't? As it stood you had a lot of drivers flouting the 60 km/h speed limit, resulting in a loss of overtaking. Increasing The speed limit to a more realistic level and closer to its historic limit on that stretch, well actually reduce the amount of dangerous overtaking going on and make the road safer if anything. I think you're just being melodramatic really.
Chiparus wrote: The problem is that people Cath 80 (+)kmh continue at that speed , miss the 50 kmph sign, and suddenly they are doing 80 kmh when a driver who does not see them turns right into Supervalue or Kingfisher
smaoifs wrote: » I really don't see how. The 80kmph limit is the new one, not the 50kmph. I'd understand your point if the 50 had recently been dropped from 60 and people carried on at 60 but anyone who drives that road knows the speed drops to 50 before you get to Kingfisher and always has.
