CNN fake news network

BillyBobBS · 27-06-2017 2:34pm #1

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/27/three-cnn-journalists-resign-over-retracted-trump-russia-story

So it turns out CNN is in fact a fake news network. I don't know what's more weird as in the fact they engage in this type of carry on or that Trump was right about something.

I think everyone to some degree understands that modern day news networks are used as mouth pieces for a certain agenda (RTE, Sky etc..) but i hope this opens up a proper debate on what the public expect from their news. Personally i think it's a good thing that CNN have been utterly exposed on this matter.

Mr. Incognito · 27-06-2017 2:35pm

ONE article that they apologised for and retracted as opposed to

EVERY article on Beitheart and Fox.

Seriously.

Get a grip

coulagh2017 · 27-06-2017 2:35pm

Clinton News Network

silverharp · 27-06-2017 2:40pm

there is a project Veritas undercover video out now as well where their producers admit they aren't doing proper journalism and as far as they are concerned there is no Russia story

BillyBobBS · 27-06-2017 2:40pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

ONE article that they apologised for and retracted as opposed to

EVERY article on Beitheart and Fox.

Seriously.

Get a grip

Are you suggesting i take Fox or Britbart seriously? Lol

CNN's standards should be a lot higher than these clowns wouldn't you agree? And it's ONE (does writing it in big letters help my arguement also?) story they have been caught out on and leaves open the possibility they do this on a regular basis.

I have a grip thanks very much.

Cheerful Spring · 27-06-2017 2:41pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/27/three-cnn-journalists-resign-over-retracted-trump-russia-story

So it turns out CNN is in fact a fake news network. I don't know what's more weird as in the fact they engage in this type of carry on or that Trump was right about something.

I think everyone to some degree understands that modern day news networks are used as mouth pieces for a certain agenda (RTE, Sky etc..) but i hope this opens up a proper debate on what the public expect from their news. Personally i think it's a good thing that CNN have been utterly exposed on this matter.

Trump was an outsider. Of course the media would attack him and blame it all on Russia. Reality is though the Democratic party was involved in a conspiracy to take down Bernie Sanders and see that Hilary got elected. Those emails that got leaked exposed the corrupt system. The corporate media needed to blame someone and there not going to blame the politicians.

ScumLord · 27-06-2017 2:43pm

All news networks whether they be in print, online or TV are terrible sources for news. It's not so much because they have some hidden agenda, it's because they're capitalists that will say whatever they can get away with to make money.

There's been a gradual slide towards this type of commercialized news for decades now, I stopped consuming most news sources at least 5 or 6 years ago and won't give them what they crave, money and attention.

I don't see it as a conspiracy but a state we've ended up in, our ability to retell stories without turning it into an emotive click bait story is gone. There isn't one news source that is capable of telling us the news without sexing it up for more clicks.

It's a problem with society, not any one group or political leaning.

BillyBobBS · 27-06-2017 2:48pm

ScumLord wrote: »

All news networks whether they be in print, online or TV are terrible sources for news. It's not so much because they have some hidden agenda, it's because they're capitalists that will say whatever they can get away with to make money.

There's been a gradual slide towards this type of commercialized news for decades now, I stopped consuming most news sources at least 5 or 6 years ago and won't give them what they crave, money and attention.

I don't see it as a conspiracy but a state we've ended up in, our ability to retell stories without turning it into an emotive click bait story is gone. There isn't one news source that is capable of telling us the news without sexing it up for more clicks.

It's a problem with society, not any one group or political leaning.

Yeah i'd agree it's been a steady decline in standards over a long time period. The point i'm making is i hope this now opens up a conversation in the public sphere about news and how it's presented.

You look at the terrible sh1te RT put out for instance but i think their bias is so obvious because they are pretty new at what they do compared to a CNN or Sky News. I'd say these news outlets appeal to the bottom feeders of society but they have massive ratings which is very worrying for democracy in general.

silverharp · 27-06-2017 2:51pm

ScumLord wrote: »

All news networks whether they be in print, online or TV are terrible sources for news. It's not so much because they have some hidden agenda, it's because they're capitalists that will say whatever they can get away with to make money.

There's been a gradual slide towards this type of commercialized news for decades now, I stopped consuming most news sources at least 5 or 6 years ago and won't give them what they crave, money and attention.

I don't see it as a conspiracy but a state we've ended up in, our ability to retell stories without turning it into an emotive click bait story is gone. There isn't one news source that is capable of telling us the news without sexing it up for more clicks.

It's a problem with society, not any one group or political leaning.

true, there is no market for middle of the road news, the successful model seems to be 50% of your potential audience likes you and 50% hates you. longer term these cable news channels are on the way out, a lot of people "cutting the cord" in the US, they will be left with people in nursing homes

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-06-2017 2:55pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Are you suggesting i take Fox or Britbart seriously? Lol

CNN's standards should be a lot higher than these clowns wouldn't you agree? And it's ONE (does writing it in big letters help my arguement also?) story they have been caught out on and leaves open the possibility they do this on a regular basis.

I have a grip thanks very much.

I don't know about the others, but I assumed you did based on your opening post. If you assuem the possibility of it being widespread, why stop at CNN? Every news organisation has made mistakes and had to publicly acknowledge them.

BillyBobBS · 27-06-2017 3:08pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I don't know about the others, but I assumed you did based on your opening post. If you assuem the possibility of it being widespread, why stop at CNN? Every news organisation has made mistakes and had to publicly acknowledge them.

How did you ascertain that from my opening post

I understand organisations "make mistakes" but this isn't a simple mistake. I think it's newsworthy given what Trump said about CNN tbh.

WinnyThePoo · 27-06-2017 3:21pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

How did you ascertain that from my opening post

I understand organisations "make mistakes" but this isn't a simple mistake. I think it's newsworthy given what Trump said about CNN tbh.

Trump is a perpetual liar himself.

ricero · 27-06-2017 3:23pm

Love seeing the donald showing these clowns up. A disgusting news network with a horrible liberal agenda

BillyBobBS · 27-06-2017 3:33pm

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Trump is a perpetual liar himself.

Yes, a proven liar. Just like CNN now.

Richard Hillman · 27-06-2017 3:35pm

CNN leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton too. I find it quite sickening that when you go into the Bar at Dublin Airport you see CNN on the TV. They have no credibility. They are not a real news network.

It's also very worrying that the EU want to crack down on Russia Today but would turn a blind eye to CNN.

I don't believe in cracking down on news unless it has been faked or altered but like product placement ads, there should be a disclaimer on who they represent. CNN is accessible in most EU countries. Before every hour it should be noted the they have been known to alter and fake news stories. That there is a gross imbalance in reporting.

Richard Hillman · 27-06-2017 3:37pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I don't know about the others, but I assumed you did based on your opening post. If you assuem the possibility of it being widespread, why stop at CNN? Every news organisation has made mistakes and had to publicly acknowledge them.

There was no mistake in leaking debate questions to Hillary Clinton. The only mistake was getting caught.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 27-06-2017 3:41pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

How did you ascertain that from my opening post

I understand organisations "make mistakes" but this isn't a simple mistake. I think it's newsworthy given what Trump said about CNN tbh.

Well, firstly you've jumped on one of the more moderate networks and not just accused it of making a mistake you've branded it a "fake news network".

Secondly, you've brought up Donald Trump as getting something right. Trump isn't not known for his honesty in setting records straight, and his indulge in promoting a lot of fake news himself. Why the **** even mention him?

ScumLord · 27-06-2017 3:42pm

ricero wrote: »

Love seeing the donald showing these clowns up. A disgusting news network with a horrible liberal agenda

Donald is as bad if not worse than CNN, I'd say worse. Nothing he says has any credibility. But he highlights the fact that MSM has gotten so bad even the likes of Trump can call them liars and be telling the truth, but it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. The only reason I'd go lighter on Trump is that he's an everyday dumbass that been thrown into the limelight and he probably doesn't know any better. The likes of CNN know exactly what they're at.

But Trump is playing the same game, he's just as dirty as every other source of news today.

conorhal · 27-06-2017 3:42pm

Independent reporter Tim Pool did a great video on 'fake news' and media bias and it's evolution, and it's kind of depressing given that it suggests the increasing polarizing effect of the internet will only make things worse.

ScumLord · 27-06-2017 3:52pm

conorhal wrote: »

Independent reporter Tim Pool did a great video on 'fake news' and media bias and it's evolution, and it's kind of depressing given that it suggests the increasing polarizing effect of the internet will only make things worse.

I'll have to watch that later. I have a feeling the upcoming generation may react differently to the internet and it's problems. The internet was a new thing when I was growing up. I was one of maybe 4 or 5 people that had it as a teenager, the thought of normal people using it was laughable back then.

Now people that view it as borderline magic are using it and reacting with a world like never before. People have been given knowledge and assume that knowledge makes them wise, but it's just not the case. They are often terrible at judging which information is true and which is nonsense, many people believe whatever gets thrown in front of them on Facebook.

In another 20-30 years the internet will be a much more mundane part of human existence.. I'll be an old man and everyone younger than me will likely have been born into a world with the internet, humans born into something tend to do much better than the people that have to accommodate a changing world.

PopePalpatine · 27-06-2017 4:35pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Donald is as bad if not worse than CNN, I'd say worse. Nothing he says has any credibility. But he highlights the fact that MSM has gotten so bad even the likes of Trump can call them liars and be telling the truth, but it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. The only reason I'd go lighter on Trump is that he's an everyday dumbass that been thrown into the limelight and he probably doesn't know any better. The likes of CNN know exactly what they're at.

But Trump is playing the same game, he's just as dirty as every other source of news today.

Good luck reasoning with someone who unironically uses "The Donald" as a term of endearment. You might as well try explaining evolution to a Bible-tumper.

tiger55 · 27-06-2017 9:10pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efrVhE1SvwQ

Outlaw Pete · 27-06-2017 9:16pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ClR5yHBfks

20Cent · 27-06-2017 9:29pm

conorhal wrote: »

Independent reporter Tim Pool did a great video on 'fake news' and media bias and it's evolution, and it's kind of depressing given that it suggests the increasing polarizing effect of the internet will only make things worse.

Can't stand that guy. A camera and a beany hat and he thinks he's a journalist. Amateurs like him are part of the problem. Give me an established news source with a history and reputation anyday.

silverharp · 27-06-2017 9:37pm

I remember this one from last year, host sounds so sincere :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qTegcMT3g

BillyBobBS · 27-06-2017 10:56pm

silverharp wrote: »

I remember this one from last year, host sounds so sincere :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qTegcMT3g

They don't even attempt to hide it sometimes :pac:

BillyBobBS · 27-06-2017 10:57pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well, firstly you've jumped on one of the more moderate networks and not just accused it of making a mistake you've branded it a "fake news network".

Secondly, you've brought up Donald Trump as getting something right. Trump isn't not known for his honesty in setting records straight, and his indulge in promoting a lot of fake news himself. Why the **** even mention him?

It is fake news. Have you watched the tape?

prinzeugen · 27-06-2017 11:01pm

Seems Trump likes a bit of the old fake news himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-time-magazine-with-trump-on-the-cover-hangs-in-his-golf-clubs-its-fake/2017/06/27/0adf96de-5850-11e7-ba90-f5875b7d1876_story.html?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.e29aa53e82c0

Fake TIME mag covers of himself in his golf clubs.

Shoes and Boots · 27-06-2017 11:02pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/27/three-cnn-journalists-resign-over-retracted-trump-russia-story

So it turns out CNN is in fact a fake news network.

CNN was always fake news,how long its take to understand that ? CNN was fake news since they called Osama Ben Laden freedom fighter for democracy in Afganistan when war against USSR started there.

ScumLord · 27-06-2017 11:05pm

conorhal wrote: »

Independent reporter Tim Pool did a great video on 'fake news' and media bias and it's evolution, and it's kind of depressing given that it suggests the increasing polarizing effect of the internet will only make things worse.

He gives a fair assessment of current media and what caused it. I've noticed what he talks about on youtube a good bit, where young people are obviously talking about stuff they only have third hand knowledge of and I suspect are just watching other people's youtube videos then making their own based on that video.

Senna · 27-06-2017 11:34pm

Just my opinion:
The September 11 attacks killed reputable media, they had an overload of news to report on and the public just couldn't get enough, "breaking news" was actually important news that people wanted to hear. Viewership sky rocketed, every distribution method was being consumed in larger and larger quantities, of course they actually lost millions because of the attacks and stopping advertisements, but it heralded the sensational news broadcasts that everything they report on was "breaking news", I remember watching "exclusive footage" that was cctv from a few blocks away that showed a fire brigade pass by and then the dust cloud covering the window, that's all it was.
As things returned to normality, they wanted that dependence on the media to "tell people what to think" and to get that, they have to be the first to report it, even when the source is unreliable and never validated.

Maybe I'm completely wrong and social media has to share some blame, but I seen a huge change in how news is reported since 9/11.

robindch · 28-06-2017 12:50pm

ScumLord wrote: »

All news networks whether they be in print, online or TV are terrible sources for news. It's not so much because they have some hidden agenda, it's because they're capitalists that will say whatever they can get away with to make money.

That statement is wrong on many levels.

Firstly, the output from media outlets like Fox + Breitbart is designed to incite and inflame consumers such that they'll keep coming back for more. There may be a political agenda (in which case, it's propaganda), but equally well, the business model can be much simpler - more hate means more return-visits which means more ad revenue. That's how Breitbart works.

Secondly, that business model cannot and does not apply to publicly-funded services like the BBC and others.

Thirdly, it also suggests - quite wrongly - that media networks can only exist if they cater to the lowest hysterical strata. There are plenty of outlets which adhere to respectable media standards and which produce reliable, factual reporting in a calm and measured fashion.

Fourthly, it seems that many people have trouble distinguishing between reporting of fact and publishing of opinion. If people tried to bear this distinction in mind when consuming media, I suspect they'd be a little less swayed by trash/hate media outlets.

It's factually false to claim or imply that all media outlets cater for the same markets, or adhere to the same journalistic standards, or have equally unreliable output.

ScumLord · 28-06-2017 1:09pm

robindch wrote: »

It's factually false to claim or imply that all media outlets cater for the same markets, or adhere to the same journalistic standards, or have equally unreliable output.

I never said any of those things. I said all they care about is making money. The fact is it doesn't matter how respectable they would like to be if they're not making money they're not going to stay in business, so they're forced to use the same tactics as the companies making money. I think most media outlets have shown this to be true. If you know of a reliable news source I'd love to hear about it.

The only news sources that aren't as controlled by money are the likes of RTE and BBC. But they're so bland and middle of the road they omit facts so as not to upset people. They can often have backward management that wouldn't be able to operate in the real world and seem to spend as more time regurgitating what everyone else is saying than they do researching the actual news. They're just a different kind of useless.

silverharp · 28-06-2017 1:23pm

robindch wrote: »

That statement is wrong on many levels.

Firstly, the output from media outlets like Fox + Breitbart is designed to incite and inflame consumers such that they'll keep coming back for more. There may be a political agenda (in which case, it's propaganda), but equally well, the business model can be much simpler - more hate means more return-visits which means more ad revenue. That's how Breitbart works.

Secondly, that business model cannot and does not apply to publicly-funded services like the BBC and others.

Thirdly, it also suggests - quite wrongly - that media networks can only exist if they cater to the lowest hysterical strata. There are plenty of outlets which adhere to respectable media standards and which produce reliable, factual reporting in a calm and measured fashion.

Fourthly, it seems that many people have trouble distinguishing between reporting of fact and publishing of opinion. If people tried to bear this distinction in mind when consuming media, I suspect they'd be a little less swayed by trash/hate media outlets.

It's factually false to claim or imply that all media outlets cater for the same markets, or adhere to the same journalistic standards, or have equally unreliable output.

its easier just to say that Fox shills for the Republicans and CNN shills for the Democrats also and that there is no money in middle of the road cable news networks

manual_man · 28-06-2017 1:24pm

The only way that this pantomime show of fake news can be halted is for it to be written in to law that news sources must be verified by an independent body, otherwise things continue to go down hill and people's confidence in news media plummets even further. At present it seems like news reporting isn't held to any real high ethical standard, with increasing stories quoting "anonymous" sources which immediately begs the question is this BS or not. Surely it's time for new laws to come in to hold reporting to a higher standard than the drivel we're currently getting served in the mainstream.

Maximus Alexander · 28-06-2017 1:42pm

I knew before I clicked into this thread that I was going to look to the left of the OP and see "Join Date: Jun 2017"

28-06-2017 1:49pm

If you watch the latest video with the CNN producers on camera admitting all of it is bùll****, and then come out with "but uh.. O'Keefe.. shill.. no context!", you're a stupider that a flat-Earther. That's not "keyboard warrior" talk, it's just what it is. You actually need to reconsider what you're doing with your life if you've gone sacrificed that much of your intelligence.

Is it fair that so many of my friends have been losing their minds for months absolutely convinced of this, that and the other about Russia, for no reason? No, of course not. They're just idiots being taken advantage of like drug dealer facilitating an addict's fall.
They even donate money to the same organisations that make them angry and feel like shít every day for no reason.

But it's their fault for believing BS they read so I just sit back and watch. It brings me some weird sense of hope that I'm dealing with serious personal problems far better than they're dealing with their FaceboQok feeds.

Who even cares. It's just a sport.

20Cent · 28-06-2017 2:45pm

manual_man wrote: »

The only way that this pantomime show of fake news can be halted is for it to be written in to law that news sources must be verified by an independent body, otherwise things continue to go down hill and people's confidence in news media plummets even further. At present it seems like news reporting isn't held to any real high ethical standard, with increasing stories quoting "anonymous" sources which immediately begs the question is this BS or not. Surely it's time for new laws to come in to hold reporting to a higher standard than the drivel we're currently getting served in the mainstream.

Doubt thats feasible the most important stories come from sources which can't be named for various reasons. People need to get more fussy about the media they consume and go for quality rather than click bait type hysteria.

conorhal · 28-06-2017 3:41pm

ScumLord wrote: »

He gives a fair assessment of current media and what caused it. I've noticed what he talks about on youtube a good bit, where young people are obviously talking about stuff they only have third hand knowledge of and I suspect are just watching other people's youtube videos then making their own based on that video.

The goal of media is to generate the most clicks these days. Pool did another video talking about google and Youtube algorithims that show how the big platforms ar further compounding the issue.
If you watch a Youtube video you will have noticed that the side bar with reccomended content tends to offer you more of the same content. If you click on a cat video, chances are there will be a whole host of other ones for your selection.
This is down to the platform's algorithims, they see what you are watching and serve you more of what you seem to like watching. In that way they can ensure viewers are retained on the platform for as long as possible and thus exposed to their advertisers for as long as possible, because more of what you want equals a higher click through rate.

Now that's fine when it comes to cat videos, but downright dangerous when it comes to news and political commentators. You have very polarised commentators and algorithims that encourage that by only filtering viewers into one silo or the other and only feeding them the same content from one ideological viewpoint.

conorhal · 28-06-2017 3:44pm

20Cent wrote: »

Can't stand that guy. A camera and a beany hat and he thinks he's a journalist. Amateurs like him are part of the problem. Give me an established news source with a history and reputation anyday.

As you have posted quite often defending Antifa's antics and Tim Pool has often shown them up for the loony, rediculous thugs they are, I don't doubt you can't stand him.

ScumLord · 28-06-2017 4:01pm

conorhal wrote: »

Now that's fine when it comes to cat videos, but downright dangerous when it comes to news and political commentators. You have very polarised commentators and algorithims that encourage that by only filtering viewers into one silo or the other and only feeding them the same content from one ideological viewpoint.

I've noticed that the odd time I watch some conspiracy theory videos that I get loads of them thrown at me. I've thought youtube seems very one sided when it comes to these things. It doesn't seem as eager to throw more respectable and balanced opinions at me.

I mostly watch factual historical stuff on youtube, but I watch one conspiracy video and suddenly I'm inundated with conspiracy videos. Maybe it's just there's more of that kind of stuff on youtube than there is quality factual content, but I could easily see how you could get sucked down a rabbit hole on youtube.

They could seriously do with updating their algorithms.

super_furry · 28-06-2017 5:08pm

I do love all these brand new accounts that sign up just to spout off nonsense like this. Fake news? Fake accounts.

20Cent · 28-06-2017 5:14pm

conorhal wrote: »

As you have posted quite often defending Antifa's antics and Tim Pool has often shown them up for the loony, rediculous thugs they are, I don't doubt you can't stand him.

He's friends with and has been paid by the alt right 4chan weirdos so wouldn't hold much stock in his impartiality.

20Cent · 28-06-2017 8:10pm

Trumps latest attack on the media apparently the Washington post is fake news and doesn't pay "internet tax".

BillyBobBS · 28-06-2017 10:03pm

super_furry wrote: »

I do love all these brand new accounts that sign up just to spout off nonsense like this. Fake news? Fake accounts.

Of course, because if you have just signed up your opinion isn't valid right :rolleyes:

Anywho CNN caught out yet again with their pants down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2G360HrSAs

Shoes and Boots · 28-06-2017 10:10pm

Same like dogs grow in kennel,same some USA politics and journalists was grow in "kennel".All them world is kennel,world outside is enemy and barking,they does not understand that world is changed,people changed,those politics and journalists still live in kennel made in 1950-1960.You could make new kennel for them,but they still will sleep in old kennel.Same CNN,same BBC,same other .It is them life style,religion,shoes,hair cut,etc.

20Cent · 28-06-2017 10:13pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Of course, because if you have just signed up your opinion isn't valid right :rolleyes:

Anywho CNN caught out yet again with their pants down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2G360HrSAs

James O Keefe the maker of these videos has a long history of dishonesty and ironically fake news.
Seeing two seconds of a video and drawing conclusions from it is another problem.

Shoes and Boots · 28-06-2017 10:14pm

conorhal wrote: »

The goal of media is to generate the most clicks these days.

Golden words !

prinzeugen · 29-06-2017 12:16am

ScumLord wrote: »

I've noticed that the odd time I watch some conspiracy theory videos that I get loads of them thrown at me. I've thought youtube seems very one sided when it comes to these things. It doesn't seem as eager to throw more respectable and balanced opinions at me.

I mostly watch factual historical stuff on youtube, but I watch one conspiracy video and suddenly I'm inundated with conspiracy videos. Maybe it's just there's more of that kind of stuff on youtube than there is quality factual content, but I could easily see how you could get sucked down a rabbit hole on youtube.

They could seriously do with updating their algorithms.

Exactly. Within 30 mins of the Grenfell fire YouTube was full of "false flag" and "it was staged/fake" news videos.

More than one is also interviewed on RT via Skype as so called "experts"!!!

Same with the attack in Manchester.

The tin foil hat brigade videos get pushed more than factual stuff as does the click bait "top ten plane/ship etc crashes" that the click whores copy and share.

Shoes and Boots · 29-06-2017 12:21am

prinzeugen wrote: »

Exactly. Within 30 mins of the Grenfell fire YouTube was full of "false flag" and "it was staged/fake" news videos.

Same with the attack in Manchester.

The tin foil hat brigade videos get pushed more than factual stuff as does the click bait "top ten plane/ship etc crashes" that the click whores copy and share.

They all Putin agents ! Trolls ! Russia hybrid war ! Russian hackers attack CNN servers ! If you are on toilet closet,make sure,Putin eye does not look to your "third eye" from bottom of the closet ! Making tea make sure there is no Putin ear in tea bag !

Hank Scorpio · 29-06-2017 12:27am

All part of the system

CNN fake news network

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