thefasteriwalk wrote: » Really? I'm very surprised to hear that - I thought it was just Home Ec and Irish. What part of the country are you talking about? Or is this all over?
Crazyteacher wrote: » The majority of fellow graduates got sick of the messing around by schools/ETBs themselves. Most can be found abroad or in other careers.
Mardy Bum wrote: » The majority? That is an astounding number. Was this a B.ed or Hdip class?
mtoutlemonde wrote: » It's good enough for management/
tuisginideach wrote: » Don't think there are any HDips any more - now PMEs, 2 year and €12000!
Gebgbegb wrote: » It's changed name several times since hdip so many teachers still refer to it as the hdip. Kind of like buying a new 'hoover'!
man_no_plan wrote: » I wonder are there any stats on it? Have numbers fallen off with the increased cost (and worse pay)..
doc_17 wrote: » I was asking a young lad grommmy GAA club what he was doing next year (he's just finished his degree in History) and he said he was doing the PME. I told him flat out that if he didn't have another subject he should really considering trying to add one or else maybe not doing it. I'd imagine it would be very difficult to get a job as a Histoy teacher solely. He also mentioned CSPE and I had to explain to him how that works. A few years ago when jobs were at premium you had a lot of teachers looking for work. But how many Business/Geography/History teachers was the system churning out? Too many. It's not fair in them really to allow them to qualify without a core subject. The universities need to look at that. And the whole Science/Biology thing is something else that universities need to address when considering their intake. But I'm probably way off topic!
TheDriver wrote: » It must be the usual time of year for this thread to resurrect its head. I do appreciate that there are some bad school managers out there in equal effect that there are some bad teachers out there but in the vast majority of cases, they are doing a good job. a) teacher shortage: it doesn't appear as acute as recent years. it does depend on location and the type of job on offer but all in all, its not too bad. What I would say is the old favourites that got tons of applicants no longer do whereas the jobs with little or no applicants now attract some e.g. irish b) Part time CIDs: There is a circular in 2016 that hours must be offered in the 1st instance to these teachers. unless there is a serious issue with being over quota and having to offer CIDs for temporary absence of a teacher, I don't see how objective grounds could defer from this. c) 2nd year advertising: This was something that benefited teachers and fought for by unions and various reports. There is nothing against advertising jobs with different subject combinations for 2nd year and remember you don't have to advertise each job exactly the same. e.g. your english and history teacher retires doesn't mean that you must replace them as is. If we were to insist that its a very general subject base for 2nd year of CID, I guarantee that there's a greater risk that a teacher you are happy with loosing their job. There's conflicting views above regarding good teachers until a better one comes along vs insisting more general adverts. Unfortunately these are probably conflicting views. d) There is a trend at present to go the middle east for teaching for a year and it is an attractive option for a while. I don't believe everyone going there is due to the job market here but rather a fashionable trend. e) College courses have increased in years e.g. PME, Home Ec, Primary teaching. I don't know if there is an educational advantage but I'm sure they have sure footing as to why they did it. f) People are moving into other careers but like 2000-2008, jobs in other sectors became very attractive. I don't believe its solely because of the teaching market A lot of us started in the old EPT system. It is ironic that all the various schemes such as redeployment, CID hours give more job security, they also cause the process to become cumbersome and lengthy.
infor123 wrote: » Interviewed last week for a job...the person before went into the staffroom after their interview! Then I go in and know in my heart of hearts the job is gone! It's a disgrace.
Mardy Bum wrote: » What is a disgrace? Just because the person was in the job doesn't mean they are guaranteed to get it a second time. You have to push those thoughts to the side before an interview.
Gebgbegb wrote: » yup... our school advertised for 3 positions that were tailored for the teachers already in the school (unusual subject combos with very specific extra curricular). It's a 100% foregone conclusion. But the principal has to advertise....no choice. I know there'll probably be some poor souls the other end of the country who were jumping for joy looking at educationposts.ie thinking they had a shot. Spent time prepping and money traveling, thinking about the exciting possibilities of relocating to another part of the country all for nout. In a way I think it's only fair (as rosebush mentioned) that the principal or whoever 'accidentally' lets it slip that someone internal is applying also, the earlier the better. It's about getting interview experience and taking your chances too. The system stinks though. In terms of scarcity, the dept aren't overly concerned. The only thing that'd push the issue was if it were a severe lack of qualified maths teachers (languages next). I don't think they are that worried about Home ec. or Irish shortages.
Giovanna Freezing Minibike wrote: » Everyone keeps mentioning the shortage of Home Ec and Irish teachers, which are both my subjects! While there have been many of these jobs advertised in the area I want to move to- midlands, very few are actual jobs with a prospect of permanacy, they are mostly career break, mat leave, job share etc... I have a permanent job and a family, so wouldn't accept anything unless someone has resigned or retired and these are few and far between. I'm wondering is it that Home ec teachers, predominantly female, have more babies than the average teacher and therefore more mat leaves, career breaks etc???
