Sir123 wrote: » Let's hope CEC drive it home in September. A positive step to say the least.
judeboy101 wrote: » SC wasn't unanimous, CEC might well pass it
myshirt wrote: » The elimination of unequal pay is 100% within the control of the ASTI. Those objective to this have consistently asked that the older members be mature and take the pay cut they need to take to allign them with the new entrants. It was completely wrong in the first instance that any level of higher pay was retained for those members. Why the ASTI persists with this false narrative of 'pay restoration', god only knows. The ASTI is really letting the members and the students down.
acequion wrote: » ASTI suffered a big blow to its credibility on June 10th,no doubt about that. And now many members are skittish. Though they'd want their heads examined if they vote Yes to the massive sell out that is LRA2. I'd be interested to hear how our TUI and maybe INTO collegues who post here intend voting?
judeboy101 wrote: » Into prob NO but not giant NO. I'm interested in what happens if we vote no. We are currently getting benefits of LRA1 without actually being in in it, so do we go back to pre June 10th status if we vote no to LRA 2?
Gebgbegb wrote: » I would think if your not in LR2 then you can't stay in LR1. It's like when ASTI maintained that Croke Park hours were over -as per HR deal- but govt said no, the new deal superceded it (+ FEMPI ). Has FEMPI been voted on again in the Dail?
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Im stripping down to get ready for the beating im now going to get for saying this but as of now Im voting for LR2. For one simple reason-ASTI has no balls to strike. We went out for 2 days last year? Joke. I cant look Tesco staff in the eye-they went out for 3 weeks, The only hope is the TUI and INTO decide to go out for awhile but im not terribly optimistic there either. I recall the last time we were in sync-PRE HR and it was like a dance night in a nursing home. Unless ASTI are willing to strike for aat least 10 days-the Government will tell us to FXXX off. I recently heard in a TUI school-a union official came down to tgalk to new entrants-most stayed in the staffroom. I dont think new entrants want to strike so why bother flapping about them?? I enjoyed the year without Croke Park hours but Im not prepared to be down a couple of grand any longer for people who dont have the balls to strike. Adios
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » I recently heard in a TUI school-a union official came down to tgalk to new entrants-most stayed in the staffroom. I dont think new entrants want to strike so why bother flapping about them??
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » It will be there this month. I was due an increment as well. Im sure others were too. Throw in amounts due to new entrants and CIDs.you aint talking 'paltry' amounts The government aint going to throw away 50 million plus a year in savings by two payscales without a fight but asti has refused to put up a fight. Simply rejecting things achieved nothing. Failing a strike or plans for strikes in September-with other unions-then LR2 is a shoo in. Sitting all pretty in a corner with principals wont change a shagging thing. Wake up.
acequion wrote: » How do you know that it will be there this month? How can you be so certain? If you know something the rest of us don't,do please share! "Ain't talking paltry amounts!" What are we talking about then? I've barely ever even noticed my increment by the time it came into my hand. And we've already done the sums from the other stuff and it's nothing to get carried away over. A few bob,that's all it is. Eaten away by ever rising costs. Stop trying to justify your own capitulation! In fact I'd far rather sit pretty in a corner with principals and more time on my hands,quality time to spend as I please, than sell myself and my collegues out for a few paltry,yes paltry, pieces of silver! And as for ASTI refusing to put up a fight, utter and total horseshtyte!! The many activists within the ASTI have constantly tried to get a fight going,from non cooperation with various initiatives,to pulling out of SNS to strike. To have those initiatives constantly hijacked by the right wingers within the union and the many craven,me fein members who are easily persuaded to jump ship or abort mission. That's about the size of it. The members are the ones at fault, get your facts straight!
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » There is a circular on asti website that outlines when money will arrive. You are focused on old timers. A lot of new entrants will get a sizeable increase.As for increments they will take longer to filter down according to department. You are right about rising costs eating it up but that's a broader issue. Voting on LR 2 won't bring down my car insurance As for right wingers stopping any real action you are simply resorting to labels. At convention in April strike action was rejected. The convention represents all members so is the asti a right wing union ? This really all goes back to November. There was no strategy and then when the talks resulted in a nonsensical agreement this was put to members even though it was essentially the same I share your frustration with the inaction of the union but after 14 years of union activism I no longer feel we will ever have a coherent strike. We had a dream team in asti leadership last year and they didn't deliver BTW I'm personally going to be up by about 5 5k before tax that's not paltry I'm no longer going to contribute to this thread as it's simply an echo chamber Only a minority want to strike asti and without a strike you are pissing in the wind. I will no longer serve as whipping boy for your frustrations with union.
judeboy101 wrote: » 89% of into reject lra2
Inspector Coptoor wrote: » 89% of a 53% turnout. It's still a great result. I hope TUI follow suit. I want the ASTI vote last so we know the lie of the land. Am sick of being out on our own.
judeboy101 wrote: » Side deal will be done with into before that, their main concerns are easier fixed than ours.
Mardy Bum wrote: » Embarrassing turnout. TUI will vote Yes even with a NO recommendation.
