Sweet Science wrote: » Anybody know if this is HBO or showtime . and for us is it sky or boxnation ?
Burial. wrote: » HBO/Boxnation
Morrison J wrote: » Jose Miguel Cotto had Canelo wobbled big time.
Morrison J wrote: » My main reason would be his feet. He moves like he's underwater. GGG is tremendous at cutting the ring off and will constantly be on top of him. I'm not expecting a clean KO, more likely a stoppage with Canelo against the ropes taking a beating. Not saying it'll be early. Probably mid to late with Canelo taking a lot of punishment from the opening bell. This is a horrendous matchup for him.
megadodge wrote: » Morrison J wrote: » My main reason would be his feet. He moves like he's underwater. GGG is tremendous at cutting the ring off and will constantly be on top of him. I'm not expecting a clean KO, more likely a stoppage with Canelo against the ropes taking a beating. Not saying it'll be early. Probably mid to late with Canelo taking a lot of punishment from the opening bell. This is a horrendous matchup for him. I'm not saying Canelo is definitely going to win, but one of the reasons I think he'll do well is because this is a good style matchup for him. The likes of Lara is a bad style for Alvarez as his slow feet mean constant difficulty getting into position. If Lara was a bit more positive in that fight he would have won it, instead he shamelessly ran and lost a fight he could have won. That won't be the case with Golovkin. GGG will come straight at him, which is a dream come true for Canelo. He is possibly the best combination counter puncher in the game. He is extremely accurate and GGG's defense is well below average, meaning GGG is going to be hit - a lot. And I don't care how good his chin is, after a while on the receiving end of consistent hard punches he won't be quite so gung-ho to walk straight at Canelo. This could give Canelo the breaks in action he seems to need to fight at a less taxing pace, which negates the one worry I have, which is workrate.
megadodge wrote: » Morrison J wrote: » Jose Miguel Cotto had Canelo wobbled big time. I thought we put this to bed years ago. Maybe you weren't posting on the site at the time. Either way, Alvarez was NOT "wobbled big time", in the sense of being really hurt. The exaggeration of that incident didn't last long and I never thought it would be used against him again. If you ever notice highlight reel KOs, an awful lot of them are 'double power' KOs. What I mean is similar to car A crashing at 30mph into a tree, the impact is 30mph. However, car A crashing into car B with both doing 30mph has an impact of 60mph. When a boxer throws a left hook and is hit by a left hook that lands marginally before his he is moving into the punch and the impact is doubled. That's exactly what happened Canelo v Cotto. Cotto's hook landed just before Canelo's hook/uppercut would have - and he still didn't go down!! He even took a number of quick flush punches as Cotto tried to finish it and they didn't obviously bother him and he was blocking and slipping the remaining followup punches within a few seconds. I firmly believe that incident actually showed how good his chin was rather than the opposite.
walshb wrote: » The Brook fight swayed me, and others I'd imagine. And rightly so..
walshb wrote: » GGG is not much bigger than Canelo
walshb wrote: » I just have a feeling my that Canelo will adapt better and will figure out more ways to both win on offence and defence.
walshb wrote: » You don't have to run to defend.. Canelo is not grease lightning, but he puts together altogether better combinations than Brook. Harder, more sustained, more varied and yes, as quick. And IMO faster hands and combinations than GGG. As I said earlier I feel he will be starting and finishing the exchanges better than GGG.
Morrison J wrote: » I don't disagree that he can win exchanges. I think he probably will do early. It's doing it for 12 rounds against the P4P hardest hitting boxer in the sport that I have a problem getting my head around. So you think Canelo can be the first fighter to consistently exchange in the pocket with GGG and make it through 12 rounds? You're fully entitled to your opinion but that's slightly bonkers to my mind.
SHOVELLER wrote: » Trying all day to get the $300 tickets but no luck. Rang the credit card number and the cheapest tickets right now are $1500. So 4 ticket categories are gone: $300, $500, $850 and $1000:( Very disappointed.
walshb wrote: » Morrison J wrote: » I don't disagree that he can win exchanges. I think he probably will do early. It's doing it for 12 rounds against the P4P hardest hitting boxer in the sport that I have a problem getting my head around. So you think Canelo can be the first fighter to consistently exchange in the pocket with GGG and make it through 12 rounds? You're fully entitled to your opinion but that's slightly bonkers to my mind. He does not have to be in the pocket too long..here and there here and there. And are you maybe overestimating GGGs capacity to eat punches? Canelo has heavy enough hands. Add this to his accuracy and I think GGG may not be so eager to engage for the sake of it.
Morrison J wrote: » But my point is that he doesn't have the footwork/speed to dictate that. GGG will be on top of him, making the ring small and Canelo won't have the legs to escape like Jacobs did. As the fight goes deeper and Canelo tires it's only going to become more pronounced. Canelo's power is overrated enough as it is imo but now he's fighting a fully fledged middleweight I think it gets shown up further. If GGG doesn't like the power I think he can still fight like he did against Lemieux and win behind the jab. There are a number of tools in his arsenal that he can use to win imo. But let's not forget who the puncher in this fight is, it's GGG. Exchanging in close suits the puncher. Eventually he's going to hurt Canelo and Canelo is going to become reluctant to throw and shell up which is where GGG takes over. Why the narrative being spun on here is that GGG will be the one to become reluctant I'm not too sure.
Chieftain wrote: » Is it going to be PPV on BoxNation or is that just for non-subscribers. I'm sure they've always said that they would never charge extra for fights. Looks like on the schedule on the website that its PPV
walshb wrote: » It will unlikely be PPV on BoxNation. They have never done this before and from memory they have had some pretty big fights. Subscribe to BoxNation and it's yours. Best value for money in sports...
Chieftain wrote: » Yeah I think its fantastic value alright....they do have some great fights. Just wondered because i'd never seen them mention PPV for a fight before
walshb wrote: » Canelo hasn't got Floyd's legs, but watch more of him, he can move and he can move economically and effectively. He has very good ring generalship. Plus, I am of the opinion that his best defence is not necessarily his legs and moving, but more subtle changes in direction and his upper body and head movement. Kind of like Mayweather and Toney when in close. He has options because he has intelligence. That is his key.
walshb wrote: » I have made a consistent point that IF Canelo can "hurt" and stun GGG then this is where he can win. If he cannot then I think GGG probably gets to him mid rds for the stoppage, and I think via the body is his best route, hence why I said that this is the area that Canelo needs to work on for himself. Canelo hits and discourages GGG then Canelo can survive and win on points is my feeling. I suppose I am thinking that anyone being quite confident of victory for either man is maybe going to be a bit surprised. Nobody should be overestimating or underestimating either man.
Morrison J wrote: » Eventually Canelo is going to get caught clean. Not to forget GGG is a tremendous body puncher as well.
walshb wrote: » A point I have made. I think it's the area that Canelo needs to work on, protecting from body shots. For me it's a bit of a toss up. One of the best style fights I can think of in a really long time. I juts hope it works itself into being an excellent fight. One thing I thinks is that it won't be all that messy. Neither mad is messy. But maybe Canelo needs to be a little messy on defense to give himself a better chance.
