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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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naughto

If a blood sub stays on is that classified as a normal sub

MB1970

Why is a place on the panel being held for Barry Moran who hasn't played so far this year? If Rochford was at the Crossmolina Ballina game at the weekend I hope he got a number for Ciaran Tracey he had a brilliant game way ahead of Loftus and Regan who are on the panel.

The Talking Bread

naughto wrote: »

If a blood sub stays on is that classified as a normal sub

You see, this is the issue. There is not enough clarity on this.

Not sure about that detail tbh. I do know it is deemed a temporary sub but what happens if the player has to stay sidelined after further assessment of his injury and the 6 subs are already used?
Their is vague clarification on this.

I think it should be at the hands of the referee/!assistant ref to keep in touch with this rather than a team themselves as they can only go by the rule itself. How temporary? If you have used your 6 subs already do you go down to 14 men. Who keeps the time limit?

AFAIK this hasn't been addressed so it is perfectly reasonable that Sligo didn't approach the ref to ask him for clarity.

Refs should enforce rules, at this level, it shouldn't be up to coaches to have a rulebook at hand on sideline to assess things as they go along

I think, when writing the rule, they brushed over incidents where standard 6 subs had already been used.

There was a good bit of analysis regarding this "time limit " aspect a couple of years back re Mayo/Kerry. So it is odd that it still hasn't been clarified. That was a game when Mayo's 6 "optional subs" had not been used before the blood sub, but as well as the blood sub (Regan couldn't continue after assessing his blood injury so Conroy stayed on), Mayo went on to use the further "optional 6 subs"

A time limit and a referee interaction with the bench is the best approach.

naughto

MB1970 wrote: »

Why is a place on the panel being held for Barry Moran who hasn't played so far this year? If Rochford was at the Crossmolina Ballina game at the weekend I hope he got a number for Ciaran Tracey he had a brilliant game way ahead of Loftus and Regan who are on the panel.

There is a big step up from club to county iam not saying that Tracey is not fit for county.
Same with Mitchell's some top club players but fail at county or are just average when up against the best

km79

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/06/19/4141890-mayo-hit-by-keegan-injury-concern---/

Heavy bruising

PressRun

Has anyone heard anything regarding AOS injury? Have heard conflicting reports on the prognosis.

seligehgit

Throw in is at 5 PM.

MaroonAndGreen

yop wrote:

Looking at Donegal and Cork yesterday and then looking at our reluctance to bring in youth. Cork won minor and U21 AI and now they are the basis of the team. Donegal got handed their arses but at least them players will have learnt. We have a serious fear of introducing youth and giving them their heads. Akram is only one who comes to mind, has to be given game time.

Yop I agree with you a lot but not this time! There are no positives to getting whupped in Championship, no matter how many young players get experience

yop

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Yop I agree with you a lot but not this time! There are no positives to getting whupped in Championship, no matter how many young players get experience

Definitely didnt mean get beaten, what I meant was that we have a big reluctance to trust the youth.
Maybe I have a skewed perspective, but these lads have AI medals in their pockets and last years U21 games saw some of the most impressive displays from lads in the red and green.

I could just be over heating with the sun!

TommyDe

There is a serious confidence issue with mayo forwards at present.

Personally I think we need to start 2 new inside forwards regan/loftus for the rest of the championship to build them up.

Mcloughlin/D O'connor on the wings and be bold and put keegan in centre half forward with coen as centre back. Keegan would be able to switch to midfield too if needs be.
AOS to come on or start at full forward.
There is a lot more variety here as players can be moved around easier.

I like Rochford and his way of thinking. He just needs to improve the forward line to get more out of them as sometimes I feel our forwards can be thinking too defensively at key moments (DOC recent goalmouth miss being a prime example) rather than have that killer instinct.

MaroonAndGreen

TommyDe wrote:

Personally I think we need to start 2 new inside forwards regan/loftus for the rest of the championship to build them up.

Agreed, heard Loftus was very poor in club championship at the weekend though, of course that could be for any reason and you wouldn't be judging on that completely. He's one of the guys that we do need to step up in the next 1-2 years and be a Paul Mannion (Dublin) like figure for Mayo.

MaroonAndGreen

TommyDe wrote:

Mcloughlin/D O'connor on the wings and be bold and put keegan in centre half forward with coen as centre back. Keegan would be able to switch to midfield too if needs be. AOS to come on or start at full forward. There is a lot more variety here as players can be moved around easier.

DOC is in danger of going down the Shane Walsh route, exceptional talent but very inconsistent. I feel like I'm being so harsh saying that though as he's young and being young naturally brings inconsistency in a sportsperson in a pressure situation.

yop

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

DOC is in danger of going down the Shane Walsh route, exceptional talent but very inconsistent. I feel like I'm being so harsh saying that though as he's young and being young naturally brings inconsistency in a sportsperson in a pressure situation.

Injury and maybe too much game time could be causing it. Hard to gauge but he isn't the same DOC.

Green Peter

MaroonAndGreen wrote:

DOC is in danger of going down the Shane Walsh route, exceptional talent but very inconsistent. I feel like I'm being so harsh saying that though as he's young and being young naturally brings inconsistency in a sportsperson in a pressure situation.

He'll never have the talent Shane Walsh has, no comparison!

yop

Green Peter wrote: »

He'll never have the talent Shane Walsh has, no comparison!

He has sorry, but unless you've been buried in a hole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmuid_O%27Connor

Note back to back young player of the year, AI winner at minor and U21, MOM of the match in the U21 semi and AI final.

Based on your previous post I expect the same response

charlie14

yop wrote: »

He has sorry, but unless you've been buried in a hole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmuid_O%27Connor

Note back to back young player of the year, AI winner at minor and U21, MOM of the match in the U21 semi and AI final.

Based on your previous post I expect the same response

The lad has obviously got a lot of talent and a lot of experience but what the hell has happened to him in the last two years ?
He is a pale shadow of the footballer he was.

yop

charlie14 wrote: »

The lad has obviously got a lot of talent and a lot of experience but what the hell has happened to him in the last two years ?
He is a pale shadow of the footballer he was.

The injury he sustained has labored his performances since. He was outstanding in the U21 series and was voted U21 player of the year.
He looks tired, but outside of the injury he has not got any rest.

naughto

Green Peter wrote: »

He'll never have the talent Shane Walsh has, no comparison!

Ah now Peter I don't no what your drinking but it must be Turing you green.
Doc is miles ahead of what Walshe was

Oldtree

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yop

Oldtree wrote: »

Thank goodness..... unreserved seating

Mighty, I can bring the 2 juniors with me

Oldtree

Can anyone tell me if the bring a friend option will be available with the season ticket for match.

yop

Oldtree wrote: »

Can anyone tell me if the bring a friend option will be available with the season ticket for match.

Id be surprised if it wasnt tbh, it was for the qualifiers and QF last year.

Oldtree

yop wrote: »

Id be surprised if it wasnt tbh, it was for the qualifiers and QF last year.

Thanks Yop, do you know if will it be stand ticket for the friend?

yop

Oldtree wrote: »

Thanks Yop, do you know if will it be stand ticket for the friend?

You MAY get kicked to the sideline.
In croker, if you went with your own ST you'd get a decent seat, when I did the BAF I got pushed to the sides on 1 occassion and to the upper stand on the 2nd occassion.
So if ST holders already book out McHale park stand then if u bring a friend they may give a sideline ticket then.

I think thats what might happen.

Padkir

TommyDe wrote: »

There is a serious confidence issue with mayo forwards at present.

Personally I think we need to start 2 new inside forwards regan/loftus for the rest of the championship to build them up.

Mcloughlin/D O'connor on the wings and be bold and put keegan in centre half forward with coen as centre back. Keegan would be able to switch to midfield too if needs be.
AOS to come on or start at full forward.
There is a lot more variety here as players can be moved around easier.

I like Rochford and his way of thinking. He just needs to improve the forward line to get more out of them as sometimes I feel our forwards can be thinking too defensively at key moments (DOC recent goalmouth miss being a prime example) rather than have that killer instinct.

No room for Cillian in your team?

charlie14

yop wrote: »

The injury he sustained has labored his performances since. He was outstanding in the U21 series and was voted U21 player of the year.
He looks tired, but outside of the injury he has not got any rest.

I can see that perhaps it is due to his injury, in which case I would question team doctor physio and management of any team that is playing him if his injury is still a problem, but the tiredness I don`t really get.
It`s not as if there aren`t loads of players with the same schedule. Some in fact with even heavier when you consider work, travel and family commitments etc.
Could it possible be that the step up from under 21 to senior in both training and senior inter-county matches is the problem ?

The hits in both at senior level can be debilitating and no help to a player`s confidence off one off whom so much is expected.
Football wise the lad just seems on a downward spiral for quite some time now.

km79

charlie14 wrote: »

I can see that perhaps it is due to his injury, in which case I would question team doctor physio and management of any team that is playing him if his injury is still a problem, but the tiredness I don`t really get.
It`s not as if there aren`t loads of players with the same schedule. Some in fact with even heavier when you consider work, travel and family commitments etc.
Could it possible be that the step up from under 21 to senior in both training and senior inter-county matches is the problem ?

The hits in both at senior level can be debilitating and no help to a player`s confidence off one off whom so much is expected.
Football wise the lad just seems on a downward spiral for quite some time now.

It's not even 12 months since the Kildare game
That's hardly a downward spiral ?
He has played a lot of that time injured and Or out of position
Lack of confidence now perhaps
Class is permanent
He is class
And young
He is the least of Mayos worries!

charlie14

km79 wrote: »

It's not even 12 months since the Kildare game
That's hardly a downward spiral ?
He has played a lot of that time injured and Or out of position
Lack of confidence now perhaps
Class is permanent
He is class
And young
He is the least of Mayos worries!

Then he certainly should not have been played carrying an injury if that is the case.
Being young and having class is one thing, but if a players confidence takes a serious dip, as his appears to have, it is not that easy to get it back.

km79

charlie14 wrote: »

Then he certainly should not have been played carrying an injury if that is the case.
Being young and having class is one thing, but if a players confidence takes a serious dip, as his appears to have, it is not that easy to get it back.

Yeah he was very labored after the Kildare game and really was not right for rest of year but we are just so short of forwards and he is so good.........
I agree with a lot of what you say tbh
There is a slight worry in there for me BUT I think himself and his brother are very resilient mentally and physically
There was a similar worry around cillian for s few years

One thin is certain for me
If mayo are to win the AI we need diarmuid back to his best

finisklin

What is Diarmuids best position? His versatility is excellent and perhaps may be his weakness as he's hasn't really focussed on one position exclusively over the last 2 years.

Centre forward would seem to fit and he did alright there agin Galway. He did start second half at mid field as well.