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Tyrone GAA Discussion Thread

JB81

Hi All

Just wondering what people think of the obvious changes that are taking place in the Tyrone set up and how it bodes for the future.
Taking into the account the retirement of double All-Ireland winner Kevin 'Hub' Hughes this week to add to Enda MCGinley, Brian Dooher, Philip Jordan, Ciaran Gourley & Brian McGuigan.

Take these out of the fantastic Triple All-Ireland winning squad and you would be forgiven for thinking its the end of the road. However they have still won and competed well in Minor and U-21 All Ireland in the last few years. so do people think that these youngsters coming in and with the likes of Stephen O'Neill, Owen Mulligan, Sean Kavanagh, Conor Gormley, Ricey McMenamim, McMahon brothers that Tyrone can rise once again?

JB

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JB81

A good game yesterday and a great end result. Some big performances and some things to work on. A good stepping stone to where we want to be in August / September. Think this team can get better. Will it be this year, im not so sure.

Morgan - Done all was asked of him. Would still have O'Neill in there, personal preference

McCrory - Thought he was steady, don't get the major criticism of him. Wasnt mentioned much, which i though would have been a good thing bearing in mind he is essentially a corner back. Would probably start McCarron instead of him with brennan at 6.

McNamee - Again steady, Donegal did get through the middle a good few times late in the game ( albeit the game was won ). Pooped up further up the field a lot. Steady game.

Hampsey - Thought he done a great job on Murphy and chipped in with a score ( 2 ), possibly should have had a goal or assisted by passing. Very good game. Cemented his place for the final.

McCann - Thought he was excellent all over the field. Defending well, pace, directness, finishing. Outstanding and possibly was my man of the match. Turning into a major player.

McCarron - Done his job ( defending ) very well. Seemed to be organising things more so than McNamee. Again Donegal got through a few times so something to work on. Man Marker for McManus/McCarron ( i assume MOnaghan will take care of Down ) in the final, along with Hampsey i would think.

Harte - Not majorly influential but a good steady performance and his experience was there to see when in possesion later in the game.

Cavanagh - Outstanding, whatever area of the pitch he was in. First name on the teamsheet these days.

McCann - Not as good as the Derry game. But good experience for him, put in his shift and good work rate.

McGeary - Thought he was excellent and has grown with every game. A typical Harte half forward. Ferocious workrate, and plenty of skill to go with. Definite starter in the final.

Sludden - Brilliant performance, very important to the side. Has everthing and well able to stand up when needed.

Mulgrew - Started of well, and was decent. Good workrate and a couple? of points. Good first championship game. May not be enough to make the final first 15.

Bradley - Had a good game, worked very hard on his own in there, couple of points. Harsh black card from what i could see. How did point stand if he fouled his man? Would love to see him kick off some day and put in a performance like against Coalisland inth first 20 minutes of the replayed County Final. But needs to get more and quicker ball into to him to do that.

Cavanagh - Not his best game, ran into tackles, held on to the ball too long. but still important to have him in there. Missed a good goal chance, could possibly have laid it off.

Donnelly - Had a good second half, seemed to walk throught the middle a few times. Possibly should have passed a few times rather than shooting. Seems to slow things down a lot when not on a counter attack. May be a tactic. Still definite starter. When he plays, he is brilliant.

McCurry - Possibly should have squared it with his goal chance. Not a starter.
O'Neill - Did ok. Not a starter.
McClure - Like the look of him, possibly him or McCann for midfield for the final.
McShane - Not sure what to make of him. Does some great things, and also some very strange decision making. Not necessarily yesterday. good squad option.
Rory Brennan - Would have him starting personally, think he is a fantastic footballer.

Would love to have seen us kick on and finish them of like Dublin or Kerry would have done, rather than start to sit back and invite them on to us which we did. They could have had 3/4 goals in about 20 minutes at the end. but we also missed our fair share of goal chances. So two things to work on stop goal openings and finish our own chances better.

Overall happy to be in another ulster Final, and bring it on.

Jayop

Sit back? I don't know what you're on about some times. The reason they got through at the end for those goal chances wasn't because we were sitting back. If anything when we went 12 we lost the run of ourselves and had everyone attacking.

JB81

Jayop wrote: »

Sit back? I don't know what you're on about some times. The reason they got through at the end for those goal chances wasn't because we were sitting back. If anything when we went 12 we lost the run of ourselves and had everyone attacking.

We sat back, more than we had been, in the second half when closing out the game. All teams do it when winning, we still played on the counter and knocked over some fine points. Donegal were always gonna come back into the game a little bit ( never gonna win it ) and even when we played more defensively than we had been all game they were still able to break our lines. Its just something to work on..

Jayop

We did kick on and finish them off though, just like Kerry and Dublin do. We had the luxury at the end of making subs to rest players. It was a clinical performance in everything but goal taking.

JB81

We went 13 points ahead after McGeary's two points, and finished winning by 10... how did we kick on and finish them off.

Jayop

In what world is that not finishing them off?

JB81

Jayop wrote: »

In what world is that not finishing them off?

I don't understand. You seem to think I am putting them down. Its only my opinion.

We were up by 13 points, and finished winning by ten. I'm sorry but that is not finishing them off.

But chill out bud, its always good to have a few things to work on.

It would be nice for Dublin, Mayo and Kerry ( as these are the three teams we now need to eclipse ) to be waking up this morning and seeing Tyrone really go at Donegal and have the country really talking about them.

Finishing them off would have been winning by 16 + from a start of being 13 up, not winning by ten.

Anyway, delighted with the progress, and can't wait to see where this team can go..

Jayop

So the path the rest of the year is pretty clear now I think.

If we win Ulster we'll play the winners from a Kildare vs qualifier game in the quarter and then Dublin in the semi. Most likely Kerry in a final.

If we lose we'll have to play a qualifier to get to play against Dublin in a quarter final. Beat them and it's probably Monaghan again in the semi with Kerry in the final.

It's a the only difference in route would be playing Monaghan a second time and a round 4 qualifier or Kildare. Either way to win an all Ireland we have to play all the big teams apart from one of Mayo/Kerry.

BonnieSituation

Jayop wrote: »

So the path the rest of the year is pretty clear now I think.

If we win Ulster we'll play the winners from a Kildare vs qualifier game in the quarter and then Dublin in the semi. Most likely Kerry in a final.

If we lose we'll have to play a qualifier to get to play against Dublin in a quarter final. Beat them and it's probably Monaghan again in the semi with Kerry in the final.

It's a the only difference in route would be playing Monaghan a second time and a round 4 qualifier or Kildare. Either way to win an all Ireland we have to play all the big teams apart from one of Mayo/Kerry.

Wash out your mouth. It's too early to be reading horror stories like that so early in the summer.

Jayop

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wash out your mouth. It's too early to be reading horror stories like that so early in the summer.

Looking at how the split is between the two sides of the qualifiers and how Munster and Connaught are in line to play a semi final you've got to say it's so likely that Kerry will get to the final. Galway and Mayo are the only teams that side with an asses roar of a chance to stop them.

BonnieSituation

Jayop wrote: »

Looking at how the split is between the two sides of the qualifiers and how Munster and Connaught are in line to play a semi final you've got to say it's so likely that Kerry will get to the final. Galway and Mayo are the only teams that side with an asses roar of a chance to stop them.

Reality, me and Kerry never factor into it during the championship.

Jayop

Was just having a look there and we had an average age of 26.07 starting the game yesterday compared to Donegal's 23.93 so just over two years older per man on average.

That 26 year average has to be near perfect and what you'd want. We seem now to have a great mix of older experienced players with McCarren and Sean Cavanagh in their 30's and Colm Cavanagh 29 and then a lot of these young lads from Mulgrew at 19 right through.

Exciting panel this year but with Sean packing it in after this summer we really need to get as much out of his experience as we can this summer.

Jayop

Moved to 11/2 for Sam and and 4/9 now for Ulster. No value there.

Jayop

You know it's mighty too to win a big game and not have half the country baying for blood over some incident or other. The only thing I can think of the last few years that people could have had a legitimate gripe over was Mccann diving and for my money the Monaghan player was looking to get him to react to try to get McCann to do something to get sent off. He reacted all right but not in the way he expected. When you see the likes of McManus throw himself to the ground and never a word said about it, that incident above all grates with me even years later.

Presuming they get past Down I think this will be a very saucy final. Tyrone managed t get through the Donegal game without man marking Murphy but him playing at Midfield made that a lot easier. McBrearty was managed more than he was with a man on him and extra cover but there wasn't really a classic man marking job done.

You'd imagine with Monaghan we'll have to have a man on McManus the whole time and McCarren now gives them an extra threat. Even Beggan's amazing long range free taking causes problems as he's well able to knock over anything from 50. Tyrone will need to be extra disciplined around the middle third with him there.

Nidgeweasel

Jayop wrote: »

Tyrone managed t get through the Donegal game without man marking Murphy but him playing at Midfield made that a lot easier.

Hmm.

My view was that Hampsey was 'man-marking' him with Colm Cavanagh to deal during restarts.

Jayop

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Hmm.

My view was that Hampsey was 'man-marking' him with Colm Cavanagh to deal during restarts.

He was on him but it wasn't a man marking job at all imo. A man marking job is following him everywhere regardless of where the ball is or who has it. Hampsey was looking to get on the ball himself.

Nidgeweasel

Jayop wrote: »

He was on him but it wasn't a man marking job at all imo. A man marking job is following him everywhere regardless of where the ball is or who has it. Hampsey was looking to get on the ball himself.

I thought it was pretty clear myself but opinion isn't it. Hampsey was great btw.

JB81

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

I thought it was pretty clear myself but opinion isn't it. Hampsey was great btw.

Yeah seemed like definite tactic of man-marking, the fact that Murphy played a lot in midfield ( thank god, as i think he is double the threat at 14 ) meant Hampsey was on the ball up the field a lot when the Donegal attack broke down

Jayop

I just don't see how you can call it man marking when Colm Cavanagh was on him for some 30+ restarts and Hampsey scored 2 from play so was running away from Murphy at times during play.

He was marking him, but it wasn't a man marking job. A man marking job is what McCarren did last year or what Justy did in years gone by. You start the game beside him and if at all possible you don't leave his side for 70 minutes concentrating only on where he is.

JB81

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/mickey-harte-tyrone-tactic-donegal-127244

re: Hampsey tactics

Also mentioned in Irish Times match report, Examiner Match report and Newstalk report and poll for player of the week, Hampsey nominated for this for his job done on Murphy

Jayop

Well then. This is a surprise

JB81

Not sure if Down winning is a good thing or a bad thing.

With Monaghan we would have known exactly what to expect, and how they would play, we managed them before etc...

With Down its not as clear cut.
I would still expect for us to advance, but they are obviously improving.

I think I would have more confident of winning the Anglo Celt this morning if I knew we were playing Monaghan!

Stoner

JB81 wrote:

I think I would have more confident of winning the Anglo Celt this morning if I knew we were playing Monaghan!

Ahh I don't know. They've added some much needed height to the team but you'd have to be happy to play Down of the two,

JB81

I know, i'm still confident we will win, but its the fear of the unknown isn't it!!

Jayop

More the fear of getting a slap from a down man in the pub after it. They're sore losers them Down boys.

JB81

Never had any issues with Down support,
Derry and Armagh on the other hand!!

Jayop

JB81 wrote: »

Never had any issues with Down support,
Derry and Armagh on the other hand!!

After the Ulster final replay we won a few years ago there was a few incidents. I'm probably painting them in a bad light over a couple of things and I'm sure some of our support have done worse.

JB81

I have seen more fights ( incidents ) among 2 sets of Tyrone fans in Clones on match day than I have of some of the other counties with Tyrone ones.

Jayop

JB81 wrote: »

I have seen more fights ( incidents ) among 2 sets of Tyrone fans in Clones on match day than I have of some of the other counties with Tyrone ones.

Those ones with Down are the only ones I've ever seen at a match. I'm lucky I guess, but it's brilliant the way there's hardly ever bother with thousands of opposing fans full of beer.

Stoner

Jayop wrote:

They're sore losers them Down boys.

So is just the mother that's from Down Jayop or is the old man from there too?