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Podge_irl

“While we will focus on the special circumstances, geography and certain industries of Northern Ireland we will be pressing that home very strongly. Special status, however, within the European Union is a nonsense. Dublin doesn’t support it. Brussels doesn’t support it. The member states of the EU would never dream of it because it would open the door to a Pandora’s box of independence movements of all sorts. The only people who mentioned this are Sinn F?in.”

This is actually a good example.

DUP using political capital to make a red line over ensuring something that was never going to happen doesn't happen just because SF mentioned it. He's even explained how stupid demanding it is by saying no one wants it anyway!

Rigor Mortis

Nucifora - 800+ days of oppression

Our revenge will be the laughter of Jacob Stockdale

awec

Buer wrote: »

Have you ever seen awec talk about the IRFU?

That issue isn't petty. :cool:

Buer

Neil3030 wrote: »

Could I probe you for an anecdote from both sides, just to get a feel for what it's really like?

Have you ever seen awec talk about the IRFU?

Neil3030

Could I probe you for an anecdote from both sides, just to get a feel for what it's really like?

awec

Interested Observer wrote: »

I've spent a good bit of time in NI working so got to know a lot of locals on all sides of the spectrum, from what I saw the entrenchment up there really is something else. The spite you see over the most petty things is incredible, from everyone. I know we've a lot of Ulster posters who'd know much better than me but that was my experience.

You are not wrong.

[Deleted User]

I've spent a good bit of time in NI working so got to know a lot of locals on all sides of the spectrum, from what I saw the entrenchment up there really is something else. The spite you see over the most petty things is incredible, from everyone. I know we've a lot of Ulster posters who'd know much better than me but that was my experience.

Stheno

Neil3030 wrote: »

Like... where it doesn't rain?

No booze

irishbucsfan

dregin wrote: »

Beside Arlene Foster, May looks more left-wing than Corbyn.

Theresa is having the same crisis of consciousness as Darth Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi

dregin

Beside Arlene Foster, May looks more left-wing than Corbyn.

awec

Neil3030 wrote: »

So it's purely a market forces thing?

A lack of alternatives, apathy from the moderate middle and an increasingly polar society has seen the DUP and SF make large gains.

They play off each other. If SF increase their vote the DUP will increase their vote. If the DUP increase their vote SF will increase their vote.

Neil3030

So it's purely a market forces thing?

Buer

Neil3030 wrote: »

How on earth are the DUP so popular in NI? Or I suppose more relevant: how on earth are the SDLP and UUP failing so miserably to offer a plausible moderate option?

The DUP are right wing conservatives. Taking away the sectarian elements, large areas of NI are extremely religious and the DUP would represent many of the views held by people. I think it was awec who described areas of NI as the bible belt of the UK and that's a pretty good description.

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

Like... where it doesn't rain?

Much much worse

Neil3030

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Have you ever heard of a dry wedding?

Like... where it doesn't rain?

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

How on earth are the DUP so popular in NI? Or I suppose more relevant: how on earth are the SDLP and UUP failing so miserably to offer a plausible moderate option?

Have you ever heard of a dry wedding?

Neil3030

How on earth are the DUP so popular in NI? Or I suppose more relevant: how on earth are the SDLP and UUP failing so miserably to offer a plausible moderate option?

Podge_irl

I'm in a Whatsapp group with a bunch of British (english/scottish) people. We tend to get boringly political a lot of the time in our chats.

They are all desperately googling the DUP to find out who on earth they are and what they stand for. They're in for a nice surprise. I'm glad the rest of the UK will get to experience the "hilarity" of NI politics.

[Deleted User]

pickarooney wrote: »

Number 14 is completely insane.

sounds like his own 5 year residency rule

molloyjh

pickarooney wrote: »

Number 14 is completely insane.

Number 12 just makes sense.

Neil3030

#ImWithTheBucket

pickarooney

Number 14 is completely insane.

thomond2006

Still better than Lowry.

irishbucsfan

Lord buckethead is a legend. His manifesto was better than the Tories'

awec

They should invite Lord Buckethead to their coalition. Guess which one he is:

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[Deleted User]

Buer wrote: »

Some commentators have suggested that, if they did go into a coalition, it would jeopardise the NI Assembly and Sinn Féin would withdraw from power sharing.

If that's the case the DUP should really go and have a chat with the Lib Dems before they accept any promises...

Buer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Supposedly there's no coalition, just an agreement to get the Tories into power and support them on economic issues where needed

Some commentators have suggested that, if they did go into a coalition, it would jeopardise the NI Assembly and Sinn Féin would withdraw from power sharing.

Teferi

The delicious, delicious irony of calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser for the last 2 years and then going into a coalition (or confidence and supply arrangement but that is just semantics) with the DUP.

irishbucsfan

Supposedly there's no coalition, just an agreement to get the Tories into power and support them on economic issues where needed

Rigor Mortis

Buer wrote: »

We'll now see the mettle of the DUP. Will they stick to their guns and demand a soft border with Ireland?

They negotiated that incredibly quickly. Oddly so, to be honest. Did someone cave almost immediately?

I am astonished by this. The DUP either completely undersold themselves or the Tories were so desperate not to have to negotiate with the DUP in public that they effectively caved. I have to imagine it is the latter. Given the expected size of the majority it seems very unlikely that this deal was already prepared and ready to go.

Allowing the DUP a greater say in UK govt is bad news. leaving aside any differences on border issues, their views are too close to theocratic for a modern democracy.