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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

Chemical Burn

SEXISM MEN HAVE EXPERIENCED

Inspired by the thread I saw in the Ladies' Lounge, about Sexism they apparently experience from day to day life, I thought I might start a thread about sexism that us gentlmen experience apart from the others in the LL.
So Gentlemen of GC, what sexism discrimination do you experience?

Please NO AH-type responses or attacking the OP or thread ...

I was told by a driving instructor (back in the day) that I would have a lesser chance of passing the test because of how I looked and because I was a man (instructor was female). This was 11 years ago.

I was in college queuing up to use a photocopyer / printer and it was faulty, and I had to page the maintenance guy. Even though I was first in the queue, he pushed me aside and told me to " let the "ladies" go ahead of me ", when the machine was back up and running again. This was 10 years ago.

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This is a thread for men to post their experiences of sexism that they believe they have experienced. Discussion in this thread is welcome, from both men and women - so long as it goes with the ethos of the thread. Addition - this thread will also encompass general sexism against men.

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ligerdub

The Independent might not be the biggest anti-male rag out there, but it's certainly the one moving through the ranks at the fastest pace.

Horrible publication.

Lemming

Blatantly cynical attempt to turn terrorism into feminist rhetoric. In essence, attempting to subvert the seriousness of terrorism and placing feminism above it in the pecking order of societal issues. Absolutely bankrupt fallacy. And to be frank, an absolute disservice to those murdered, maimed, or survived, and their families.

Minderbinder

ligerdub wrote: »

They'll have their night, but they'll suffer for it afterwards. Men won't like being considered in this light and will be less likely to go back, the same goes for the film itself.

Also the girls won't be shelling out the money for drinks and popcorn but will bring their own snacks since they'll have to pay for the film.

I'll enjoy downloading this one.

kunst nugget

Minderbinder wrote: »

Also the girls won't be shelling out the money for drinks and popcorn but will bring their own snacks since they'll have to pay for the film.

It's hard to tell sometimes on this thread but this is a joke, isn't it?

feargale

A LIMERICK city woman who ‘glassed’ another Limerick woman in the face at a nightclub in Ennis has avoided a prison sentence.

Ciara Killeen, aged 32, of Hyde Road, Prospect pleaded guilty to assaulting Mary McCarthy, causing her harm, at Queens nightclub on November 1, 2015.

During a sentencing, Ennis Circuit Court was told Killeen had become involved in an argument with Ms McCarthy in the smoking area of the premises on Halloween night.

Ms McCarthy required treatment in hospital following the attack and received 23 stitches in her face.

Lorcan Connolly BL, prosecuting, said Killeen made full admissions when questioned by gardai. “She said that it wasn’t her intention to harm Mary McCarthy. She said that words were spoken between the two and she reacted.”

Killeen, he said, has 50 previous convictions – the vast majority of which relate to road traffic offences.

Mark Nicholas SC said his client apologises for the “very regrettable and terrible injury” which was caused. “She truly regrets what happened,” he said.

“Ms Killeen has had her own difficulties with relationships in the past - they have been quite wearing on her but she is managing herself and her children,” he added.

While the Director of Public Prosecutions consented to the matter being dealt with in the district court the case came before Ennis Circuit Court after district court judge Patrick Durcan declined to hear the case due to he serious nature of the allegations.

Imposing sentence, Judge Gerald Keys said he was conscious of the impact any prison sentence would have on Kileen’s two children who are aged 15 and seven.

“I accept you have had a difficult time but that does not excuse your conduct. The assault resulted in a very nasty injury and has had a very dramatic effect on your victim,” said Judge Keys as he addressed the defendant.

In imposing a suspended two-year sentence, he said Killeen should consider herself “very, very lucky” that she was not going to jail.

Speaking afterwards, Ms McCarthy said she was not happy with the sentence imposed. “She should have got jail. She glassed me in the face for nothing,” she told reporters.

Sleepy

50 previous convictions and found guilty of violent assault but we can't let her go to jail because she's a mammy.

Very typical of the Irish justice system ime.

Pawwed Rig

Kids would be better off without a mother like that.

silverharp

you have to be some class of scumbag to glass someone, if she has done it there she has probably done it before. It doesn't really fall under instinctive reactions

Panthro

Terrific role model there, 50 previous and a violent assault yet not a second spent behind bars.
Well done judge FFS.

Wonder if the dad is on the scene. He could have a nice few reasons why his kids shouldn't be anywhere near that scumbag

Sleepy

Let's be honest, anyone likely to impregnate a scumbag like that is most likely a scumbag themselves.

That said, on the off-chance that he isn't, it really wouldn't surprise me to hear that he'd been denied access (nevermind custody) by the courts because she knew how to play the system and had gotten a barring order against him.

PucaMama

Ireland and the uk have ridiculous amounts of people on 100+ convictions

http://http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/local-news/239326/naas-court-man-30-with-431-previous-convictions-surely-has-worst-record-in-ireland-judge.html

http://http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/serial-offender-with-160-convictions-claimed-to-be-undercover-garda-35496902.html

Can't seem to get those links to work but one man had 160 convictions and the other had 431

Lemming

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/local-news/239326/naas-court-man-30-with-431-previous-convictions-surely-has-worst-record-in-ireland-judge.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/serial-offender-with-160-convictions-claimed-to-be-undercover-garda-35496902.html

There ye go PM, your links had an extra 'http' bit slapped into them which was failing to resolve.

jimmurt

Live in Spain. Got locked up for 24 hours and brought before a Judge to demonstrate my innocence after ex-GF had a melt down during a verbal argument and called the police.

I had kicked an exercise ball on my way out the door in frustration. (violence to furniture was one of the charges, insulting my GF was another).

The police (both male and female) were apologetic when they were putting me in cell with about 15 other lads.

Spain's gender protection laws are known to be a bit unfair, you don't really see how much until you experience it yourself.

Judge let me off after I explained that we were both shouting bull**** at each other. Still the police had to arrest me without evidence of wrong doing and I was guilty until I could prove my self innocent.

Kidchameleon

Jimmurt, exact same thing happened to a friend of mine

silverharp

jimmurt wrote: »

Live in Spain. Got locked up for 24 hours and brought before a Judge to demonstrate my innocence after ex-GF had a melt down during a verbal argument and called the police.

I had kicked an exercise ball on my way out the door in frustration. (violence to furniture was one of the charges, insulting my GF was another).

The police (both male and female) were apologetic when they were putting me in cell with about 15 other lads.

Spain's gender protection laws are known to be a bit unfair, you don't really see how much until you experience it yourself.

Judge let me off after I explained that we were both shouting bull**** at each other. Still the police had to arrest me without evidence of wrong doing and I was guilty until I could prove my self innocent.

so if you had just walked out silent you would have probably have been done for failure to communicate and resolve dispute. that's fcked up. I hadn't heard of this before, is there a lot of media reaction against this in Spain or are they behind it?

jimmurt

silverharp wrote: »

so if you had just walked out silent you would have probably have been done for failure to communicate and resolve dispute. that's fcked up. I hadn't heard of this before, is there a lot of media reaction against this in Spain or are they behind it?

There's a lot of people and groups fighting for it to be removed. It came in with a leftist government in 2004 and now people are lobbying for it to be removed as they have a center right government for the last few years.

Feminist supporters of the law have a strong voice in the country so it's not that easy to achieve (even though some judges are against it and pointing out it violates basic human rights).

Interesting vid below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjgBfklmYj8

silverharp

Interesting, Ill look at that vid later, cheers

py2006

jimmurt wrote: »

Interesting vid below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjgBfklmYj8

Jesus, 400 accusations against men on a DAILY basis in Spain and 90% are false!!

Sleepy

silverharp wrote: »

you would have probably have been done for failure to communicate and resolve dispute.

That can't be a thing? Please, tell me, you can't get arrested for not giving someone "closure"?:eek:

silverharp

Sleepy wrote: »

That can't be a thing? Please, tell me, you can't get arrested for not giving someone "closure"?:eek:

I hope not, but it seems more serious than attacking furniture

iptba

Spain Gender laws: A country against men
http://kukuruyo.com/2016/02/17/spain-gender-laws-a-country-against-men/

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How gender violence stats are collected
http://kukuruyo.com/comic/gender-violence-stats-collected/

silverharp

The twitter account RealPeerReview is doing a bang up job uncovering the nuttery that goes on in the sociology and related fields

On how Boy’s Life magazine teaches hegemonic masculinity to boys

https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/872420155489488896

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LostinBlanch

iptba wrote: »

Spain Gender laws: A country against men
http://kukuruyo.com/2016/02/17/spain-gender-laws-a-country-against-men/

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How gender violence stats are collected
http://kukuruyo.com/comic/gender-violence-stats-collected/

Jesus, I had no idea things were that bad in Spain.

gizmo555

LostinBlanch wrote: »

Jesus, I had no idea things were that bad in Spain.

The Guardian reports today (June 8) that Madrid's Municipal Transport Authority is posting signs to discourage "manspreading". Like "mansplaining" it seems to me this is yet another way of attacking men just for being men. I have never in my life heard anyone mention or comment on this alleged problem outside of the media. And, in the spirit of equality, why aren't there signs to discourage women from spreading their handbags and shopping all over bus & train seats?

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EDIT - it comes as no surprise to read on the Madrid Transport Authority website that these signs are being introduced at the request of a "feminist collective"

http://www.emtmadrid.es/Noticias/EMT-amplia-su-senalizacion-a-bordo-del-autobus-par.aspx

Pawwed Rig

That has to be a pisstake?

jimmurt

gizmo555 wrote: »

The Guardian reports today (June 8) that Madrid's Municipal Transport Authority is posting signs to discourage "manspreading". Like "mansplaining" it seems to me this is yet another way of attacking men just for being men. I have never in my life heard anyone mention or comment on this alleged problem outside of the media. And, in the spirit of equality, why aren't there signs to discourage women from spreading their handbags and shopping all over bus & train seats?

You mentioned, why not have a campaign targeting women for things they generally do.

The worst thing about this ad campaign is that it says the this manspreading is offensive to woman. I made a point on a Spanish FB page that if some men were taking up more than their share of the seat then wouldnt this affect everyone, and not just women.

Thats the worst part of it for me. If people are being dicks on the metro it affects everyone.

silverharp

if I have this right, it will only apply to men, and this is the good mayor that is pushing it. Has to be a glitch in the matrix

https://twitter.com/CllrKRedmond/status/872890957347344387

https://twitter.com/SFLMadrid/status/872878489669685248

mzungu

gizmo555 wrote: »

The Guardian reports today (June 8) that Madrid's Municipal Transport Authority is posting signs to discourage "manspreading". Like "mansplaining" it seems to me this is yet another way of attacking men just for being men. I have never in my life heard anyone mention or comment on this alleged problem outside of the media. And, in the spirit of equality, why aren't there signs to discourage women from spreading their handbags and shopping all over bus & train seats?

EDIT - it comes as no surprise to read on the Madrid Transport Authority website that these signs are being introduced at the request of a "feminist collective"

http://www.emtmadrid.es/Noticias/EMT-amplia-su-senalizacion-a-bordo-del-autobus-par.aspx

It would have been more in their line to stick up a sign asking people not to hog seats with shopping bags.

jimmurt

mzungu wrote: »

It would have been more in their line to stick up a sign asking people not to hog seats with shopping bags.

Yeah like there are so many more annoying and more frequent thing bad behavior traits on the metro, but only one is done mostly by men, so they are going with that.

gizmo555

jimmurt wrote: »

Yeah like there are so many more annoying and more frequent thing bad behavior traits on the metro, but only one is done mostly by men, so they are going with that.

Every Irish train has signs asking people not to put their feet on seats. In my experience these are frequently ignored, but much more often by women than men.