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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Jimmy Garlic

He has to be one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known, not just a stuffed suit like his wooden American counterpart. His steadfast resolve in the face of a proxy war being waged in Ukraine has to be admired, a war that would never have happened if billions weren't poured into Ukraine to kickstart a coup.

Like him or loathe him there is no doubt that Vladimir Putin is a very shrewd operator who is consistently one step ahead of the game.

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el diablo

prinzeugen wrote: »

Hitler Mk2.

You're ridiculous. Where'd you hear that? BBC or CNN? :rolleyes:

Elmer Blooker

humanji wrote: »

The sarcasm would probably be more biting if Putin hadn't arrested the opposition leader today.

I've noticed this ...... leader is a Yale Fellow!!

Nothing illegal about this and good luck to Mr Navalny but I can only imagine the uproar if a "leader" groomed in Moscow organised a protest march in Washington!
No doubt the Logan Act and stuff like in the pay of the Kremlin or Putin puppet would be mentioned.
http://worldfellows.yale.edu/fellows?title=navalny&field_region_tid=All&field_field_of_work_tid=All

cnocbui

Well if Yekaterina Putin can study in the US...

Elmer Blooker

cnocbui wrote: »

Well if Yekaterina Putin can study in the US...

I think you're missing my point. I'm saying that if a US citizen returned after spending time in Moscow to organise protests could you imagine the reaction of the media? I did point out that Navalny did nothing illegal by doing whatever he was doing at Yale.

TerrorFirmer

I generally try to avoid these discussions these days as they descend into the usual predictable nonsense on both sides but the above is actually so absurd it beggars belief.

By simple virtue of the fact that he studied in the US, you're actually trying to defend Putin by basically stating that it's a natural response to demonstration.

To answer your question, what would happen if a US political figure studied in Russia at some point and organised protests at home?

Nothing. Would it be mentioned in the media? Probably. He or she certainly wouldn't be arrested and thrown in jail along with the rest of the democratic assembly of people voicing dissent.

Jesus, get a grip on yourself, you're a caricature at this point.

And I'm certainly no fan of US foreign policy, to deflect the usual "YES BUT BUT THE US DID THAT AND THIS" whataboutery nonsense.

cnocbui

Yourself isit wrote: »

Yes because the Russians are under the beds.

Under all of the beds. Invading all of the yurups.

What was it that Marx said about history repeating, first as tragedy then as farce? The modern mcarthyism is farce. At least the USSR was a threat.

The biggest threat to stability in Europe comes from the American(/NATO) invasions of the middle east and North Africa, and the wave of refugees, often understandably hostile, that these actions generate. As well as the radicalisation of Islamic locals and converts.

And NATO ally erdogan is stirring the pot of local Islamic resentment as well.

Syria. Afghanistan. Libya. Syria. Yemen. Millions dead.

Putin invaded crimea. Abd he's the bad guy.

Russians aren't under the beds, but they are online in droves in forums and anywhere else comments on world affairs take place. Sometimes referred to as Putin's troll army. Reportedly working out of 55 Savushkina Street, St petersburgh. Also rather active in the US with 35 'diplomats' ejected from the US for election hacking and no doubt other activities, where they were operating out of two compounds.

As for quoting that arch hypocrite Marx, his witterings have been responsible for the deaths and suffering of countless millions, and all for nothing as his ideology has been completely discredited through abject and complete failure wherever implemented. If there were a modern McCarthyism, Donald Trump and his minions wouldn't be in power. I would say we have a complete opposite of McCarthyism at work.

Stop trying to equate NATO with the US misadventures in the Middle East. That is absolute nonsense. The US has engaged it's allies in those ventures, some of whom also, unsurprisingly, happen to be NATO members, but Australia, New Zealand, Ukraine, Nicaragua, South Korea, Mongolia and Georgia and many others in the original Iraq war coalition that caused Europe's current problems, have nothing to do with NATO.

I agree that the President Cheney lead US is certainly responsible for the current wave of immigrants/refugees/Islam in Europe and the trouble that is causing, but it was unwitting. Putin is actively trying to destabilise the EU by capitalising on the rise in populism by funding/supporting Le Pen, Wilders and farage. The aformentioned troll army is busy at work trying to influence elections in the Czech Republic:

The Czech government is to set up a specialist “anti-fake news” unit as officials attempt to tackle falsehoods, predominantly about migrants, which they claim are spread by websites supported by the government of Russian president Vladimir Putin. ...
“The key goal of Russian propaganda in the Czech Republic is to sow doubts into the minds of the people that democracy is the best system to organise a country, to build negative images of the European Union and Nato, and [to] discourage people from participation in the democratic processes,” Tomáš Prouza, the Czech government’s state secretary for European affairs, told the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/28/czech-republic-to-fight-fake-news-with-specialist-unit

Moldova, Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia - Russia is very busy interfering in all these countries promoting anti-EU and anti-NATO agendas.

It's not so much reds under the beds as actively in them.

Erdogan is busy copying Putin's playbook, page by page. He wants to be legitimised as a rule-for-life dictator like Putin, Mugabe and others. All his recent anti-Europe rhetoric of late is transparently aimed at drumming up support for the upcoming referendum to plunge Turkey back a century, as Putin has done - Czar Putin - by creating a fictitious threat he - if granted the power he is seeking - can then save Turkey from.

It is so transparent and obvious what he's up to I find it hard to believe Turks will fall for it, but I know they will, just as the millions of thick and stupids voted for Trump.

Putin hasn't just seized Crimea, you need to add Ukraine and georgia to that list. He annexed a small part of Georgia to get control over a pipeline too, which is always overlooked.

Putin is engaged in a clandestine war with Europe, and parts of it aren't cold at all.

robindch

Yourself isit wrote: »

Nato is most definitely a neo-colonial force.

As both prinzeugen and I have both pointed out, NATO is a military alliance which a country must apply to join. And once a country has applied, all other countries in the alliance must approve the application before the applying country can actually join.

To me, it's as endlessly unclear as it is endlessly amusing, that people can seemingly believe that an organization with a tough application procedure can be called a "neo-colonial force" - which suggests troops showing up at somebody's parliament, tossing out the resident lawmakers, installing their own at gunpoint, then taking over the place.

You know, a little bit like what happened with Russian troops and the Crimean parliament.

robindch

Yourself isit wrote: »

And all this research just for nothing [...]

Given your output in this thread, I would politely suggest whether you consider if the time spent so far has been well-spent.

Yourself isit wrote: »

We will have to review our programming.

I think that would be a good idea.

Personally, I would recommend the Yale historian, Timothy Snyder as a useful place to begin - he has written and spoken about the history of Eastern Europe extensively. Here's one lecture of his from 2015 which is as good as any of his others on the topic of Ukraine and Russia - there are plenty more up on youtube looking at different aspects of the conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoUkoGn7cRU

Jimmy Garlic

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I've noticed this ...... leader is a Yale Fellow!!
Nothing illegal about this and good luck to Mr Navalny but I can only imagine the uproar if a "leader" groomed in Moscow organised a protest march in Washington!
No doubt the Logan Act and stuff like in the pay of the Kremlin or Putin puppet would be mentioned.
http://worldfellows.yale.edu/fellows?title=navalny&field_region_tid=All&field_field_of_work_tid=All

The headline would be something like ''Russian backed agitator inspires riot in Washington''

robindch

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The headline would be something like ''Russian backed agitator inspires riot in Washington''

Right headline, wrong country.

Turns out that, on foot of DJT's unhinged demand a few weeks ago that people "look at what’s happening last night, in Sweden! Sweden!", that Russian "reporters" turned up in Stockholm and attempted to pay local youths to riot for them on camera:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/07/russian-tv-crew-tries-to-bribe-swedish-youngsters-to-riot-on-camera-stockholm-rinkeby-russia-disinformation-media-immigration-migration-sweden/

Here's Anne Applebaum's excellent piece on the predictable news disinformation cycle operated by DJT and Russia who both work to create the illusion of major social problems in countries where foreigners are welcome:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/sweden-immigrants-and-trumps-post-enlightenment-world/2017/03/12/97ea9c32-05b1-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html

Elmer Blooker

robindch wrote: »

Right headline, wrong country.

Turns out that, on foot of DJT's unhinged demand a few weeks ago that people "look at what’s happening last night, in Sweden! Sweden!", that Russian "reporters" turned up in Stockholm and attempted to pay local youths to riot for them on camera:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/07/russian-tv-crew-tries-to-bribe-swedish-youngsters-to-riot-on-camera-stockholm-rinkeby-russia-disinformation-media-immigration-migration-sweden/

Here's Anne Applebaum's excellent piece on the predictable news disinformation cycle operated by DJT and Russia who both work to create the illusion of major social problems in countries where foreigners are welcome:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/sweden-immigrants-and-trumps-post-enlightenment-world/2017/03/12/97ea9c32-05b1-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html

"They came up to us and said they wanted to see some action. They wanted to bribe us 400 kronor each," a Rinkeby resident referred only to as 'Mohammed' told the radio station.

He said he did not know which TV station they represented, but that they had introduced themselves as Russian journalists and spoke what sounded like Russian to each other. The teenagers said they met them on February 22nd, two days after the riot.

This is embarrassing it's so amateurish! This made me squirm uncomfortably on my seat!! Seriously.

Jimmy Garlic

robindch wrote: »

Right headline, wrong country.

Turns out that, on foot of DJT's unhinged demand a few weeks ago that people "look at what’s happening last night, in Sweden! Sweden!", that Russian "reporters" turned up in Stockholm and attempted to pay local youths to riot for them on camera:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/07/russian-tv-crew-tries-to-bribe-swedish-youngsters-to-riot-on-camera-stockholm-rinkeby-russia-disinformation-media-immigration-migration-sweden/

Pure hearsay. Not a shred of real evidence to support this flimsy allegation. ''Russian TV crew'' but the TV station is not named at all. Just more far fetched balderdash really. Maybe some in Sweden would prefer the population thought Russians were fueling riots with 40 euro bribes rather than them thinking that Sweden has real problems that need to be dealt with.

Gatling

Get the feeling it was a 400 ruble offer to film some public disorder ,
Explains why the swedish teens didn't take the bait , amateur russians

robindch

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Pure hearsay. Not a shred of real evidence to support this flimsy allegation.

As your knowledge of what actually goes on in Russia seems to be as limited as that of all the other pro-Putin posters, I feel honored indeed that I an help you expand your knowledge of the region by pointing out that the phenomenon of paid-for demonstrations and paid-for social unrest is a widespread problem in Eastern Europe, and Russia particularly. The Russian-leaning former president of Ukraine, Yanukovich, accidentally caused the term 'Titushki' (титушки) to be coined in its honor - though, the concept had been around for years before he made use of it.

There are multiple instance of such fakery up on stopfake.org which I'm sure you're going to tell me is a cover site actually run by Mossad, or the CIA or evil Prince Hans from the Disney film, Frozen.

Hank Scorpio

What's the story with all the protests lately in Eastern Europe concerning George Soros, is that what you're referring to?

PopePalpatine

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

What's the story with all the protests lately in Eastern Europe concerning George Soros, is that what you're referring to?

Oh look, whataboutery.

Hank Scorpio

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Oh look, whataboutery.

Oh look, a buzzword. There's many independent visits to Sweden documenting migrant problems, blaming certain social issues on the Russians is hilarious.

Jimmy Garlic

robindch wrote: »

As your knowledge of what actually goes on in Russia seems to be as limited as that of all the other pro-Putin posters, I feel honored indeed that I an help you expand your knowledge of the region by pointing out that the phenomenon of paid-for demonstrations and paid-for social unrest is a widespread problem in Eastern Europe, and Russia particularly. The Russian-leaning former president of Ukraine, Yanukovich, accidentally caused the term 'Titushki' (титушки) to be coined in its honor - though, the concept had been around for years before he made use of it.

There are multiple instance of such fakery up on stopfake.org which I'm sure you're going to tell me is a cover site actually run by Mossad, or the CIA or evil Prince Hans from the Disney film, Frozen.

Word salad, you're rambling. No doubt trying to distract from the silly story you posted where allegedly someone called ''Muhammad'' in Sweden alleged that he was offered a few quid to cause trouble by a mysterious Russian TV crew working for an undisclosed Russian TV station.

slovakchick

small man syndrome

badabing106

The Russian Narrative of the Post Cold War era in less than six minutes..

The video below contains an answer from Vladimir Putin to a question from veteran BBC “journalist” John Simpson.. In less than six minutes the President of the Russian Federation explains their point of view on the post cold war era in a most devastating manner.

It is a calm and skillful demolition of the Western narrative regarding Russia in all it’s infantile and morally bankrupt depravity. Even those who disagree have the opportunity at least to hear the Russian viewpoint expressed in a succinct yet powerful way.

The core of it is that when the USSR was dismantled the West continued with the tactics of the Cold war and continued to treat Russia as an adversary despite the end of the defining ideological difference.

From their point of view the acquiescence of Russia to the Wests demands in terms of economic policy were met with encirclement, missile shields aimed at achieving Nuclear first strike capability and colour revolutions on their borders to replace their allies with the stooges of the West.

The Russian narrative has two central virtues, it is simple and it is largely true although some less “helpful” facts tend to be edited from the narrative as you would expect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwWMaJJ_MSg

robindch

badabing106 wrote: »

The Russian narrative has two central virtues, it is simple and it is largely true [...]

The translation starts off by attributing the question wrongly to a "US journalist" and the rest of the translation is no more accurate. He justifies air patrols without addressing Simpson's question concerning dangerous, documented maneuvers (including those against commercial passenger planes) nor incursions by his military's planes into the airspace of other nations. Perhaps predictably, he claims that his military are "not invading anyone" and says that he has only "two military bases abroad" - in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

No doubt in the heat of the moment, he forgot about his military installations in Armenia, Belarus, Georgia (Abkhazia and South Ossetia), Kazakhstan (Baikonur), Moldova (Transnistria), Syria and Vietnam - three of which are on the territory of a sovereign nation without the permission of the host nation and permission is at least questionable in some of the others. To say nothing of whatever he's installed into Crimea and Donbass in the last three years against the military, laws and elected government of Ukraine.

The rest of his rambling palaver is a paranoid, fact-free rant, aimed principally aimed at domestic audiences and Putin supporters outside the country, which talks up the external threat to the nation so that he can justify the increasingly vicious strategies and tactics which he is deploying at home and abroad. It entirely befits the tinpot tyrant he is and no more "crushes" John Simpson than provides Putin with the time to portray himself as a lonely and distant figure, entirely possessed by hate and fear.

Elmer Blooker

Vietnam?

Russia lowered its flag at the Lourdes signals intelligence base in Cuba and the deepwater Cam Rahn naval base in Vietnam in the early 2000s as part of a drawing down of Russia's military presence around the world

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37591756

ohnonotgmail

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Vietnam?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37591756

they resumed the use of Cam Ramh nearly 4 years ago.

nacho libre

robindch wrote: »

... the phenomenon of paid-for demonstrations and paid-for social unrest is a widespread problem in Eastern Europe, and Russia particularly. The Russian-leaning former president of Ukraine, Yanukovich, accidentally caused the term 'Titushki' (титушки) to be coined in its honor - though, the concept had been around for years before he made use of it.

It is a problem today in Eastern Europe as you mention, but not a new phenomenon. Your Russians friends might have learnt about this practice from studying the history of America in various theaters around the world, who were masters at organising social unrest and demonstrations paid for by the CIA to advance their geo political aims.

I wonder do the CIA still do it today. You and Elmer Blooker might have a different answer to that question .

PopePalpatine

Good old Pornhub, doing the Flying Spaghetti Monster's work. :pac:

cnocbui

I wonder what noxious and fatal toxin is in that 'paint'.

Gatling

cnocbui wrote: »

I wonder what noxious and fatal toxin is in that 'paint'.

Apparently it's a surgical disinfectant

LordSutch

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread. .

Bare chested, riding in the Russian outback on a fine Arab charger!

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9cfc7821cd2265e2c5497513727c1d46-c

Nice

cnocbui

i like how they find a really small pony to make him look big.

cnocbui

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently it's a surgical disinfectant

I wasn't far wrong: "He has had disinfectant thrown in his face twice and sustained chemical burns to one eye, which required surgery."

Still wouldn't be surprised if it was laced with a toxin also.