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Twin Peaks (2017) [Showtime/Sky Atlantic] [ Spoilers ]

fruvai

Looks like Twin Peaks is coming back to our screens!!!!!!!!!!

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nc6000

flandabieduzie wrote: »

I'm playing catch up still and haven't seen the new ones. Someone mentioned that the first two seasons are available in sky demand, is Fire Walk With Me available also?

Nope, Fire Walk With Me isn't listed in On Demand. It's only seasons 1 & 2 and some behind the scenes type documentaries.

I had to find it elsewhere.

franco25

Guys stupid question - but do you have to go back to the original series to start watching this?

Sad Professor

franco25 wrote: »

Guys stupid question - but do you have to go back to the original series to start watching this?

Yes. You can skip 2x11-2x19 in season 2, but the finale and Fire Walk With Me are essential. If you are totally unfamiliar with Lynch, watch Mulholland Drive first for a taste.

franco25

Perfect thanks for the reply

briany

I see complaints around the place that the latest series is not copping the tone of the original. Good, I say. I like the fact that 25 years have passed and things have changed, because that's what tends to happen in 25 years. There's enough IPs that trade on their nostalgia value, but when you strip that away, their latest incarnations feel very shallow. Another thing is that a lot franchises will continue a story even after its natural story has concluded, and/or after its original creators have stopped working on it.

With Twin Peaks it's still an open story, and its creators are all in with it. They're doing so in a modern context with some established characters and some new. Some established locations and some new, too. Overall, though, it's a damn fine effort so far, and I can't wait to see what happens.

sydthebeat

utterly compelling viewing

ive done the 4 hours in the last 3 nights, late, bleary eyed... and still find i cant stop watching... like a great book that you cant put down.

yes, its absolutely bonkers weird... but its bonkers weird in the hands of an artist of his trade.
he is able to build unnerving dark atmosphere while there is actually very funny things happening... thats not an easy thing to do.

take everything

Anyone watching at the moment.
I've yet to watch the original series properly.
Anyway, almost certainly the weirdest bit of TV i've ever watched. I have no idea what's going on (doesn't help that I need to watch the original series) yet it is very compelling.
It's impeccably performed.

pasta-solo

sugarman wrote: »

Don't bother with the movie tho.

Absolutely bother with the movie! The new series takes its cues from Fire Walk With Me more than the original TV show so far. Also, it's an incredible piece of cinema!

[Deleted User]

Skerries wrote: »

had to break my bollix laughing at some of the more bizarre scenes

Two crack-ups for me in the first five minutes;

Dr Jacobi receiving the delivery at his trailer - pulls off his sunglasses, and has his classic dual-colour glasses underneath.

Then, Ben Horne: Is that mother's hat?

dark crystal

What episode are we supposed to be up to now? I have just finished episode 4 - has episode 5 been 'released' yet?

Favourite moment of ep. 4? Michael Cera beautifully channeling Kip from Napoleon Dynamite while Robert Forster looks on in a way we can all understand.

Sad Professor

dark crystal wrote: »

What episode are we supposed to be up to now? I have just finished episode 4 - has episode 5 been 'released' yet?

Yeah 4 is the latest. Part 5 airs on Sunday.

Fago123

4 episodes in and it's becoming increasingly clear that this is pure unadulterated Lynch with little or no network interference, totally free to put whatever he wants to put on screen, creatively & artistically unrestricted......and I couldn't be happier!

Brief_Lives

..... yet I also couldn?t be more confused....

froog

sugarman wrote:

It done very poor at the box office, and received pretty mixed criticism at the time. Its only in recent months/years its gained a bit of a cult status, even more so than the series upping its rating on the likes of Rotten Tomatoe.

sugarman wrote:

Its been a few years since I watched it, but I thought it was absolutely rubbish at the time. It felt forced, rushed and pretty much relayed the same story as the series with no new ideas, not to mention the recasting.

Not a great film, but Lynch has said it's very relevant to this season.

mzungu

Brief_Lives wrote: »

..... yet I also couldn?t be more confused....

You just need to go with it

Galwayguy35

The original 2 series were a bit out there so I knew what to expect but there was at least a story to follow.

I'm hoping this series gets back to the real world soon because episodes 2 and 4 were totally bonkers.

Wolverine359

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The original 2 series were a bit out there so I knew what to expect but there was at least a story to follow.

I'm hoping this series gets back to the real world soon because episodes 2 and 4 were totally bonkers.

There's definitely a story, but it's just being told in a very unconventional way (to say the least) and leaving lots of questions and mysteries to unravel.

batistuta9

sugarman wrote: »

Its been a few years since I watched it, but I thought it was absolutely rubbish at the time. It felt forced, rushed and pretty much relayed the same story as the series with no new ideas, not to mention the recasting.

It done very poor at the box office, and received pretty mixed criticism at the time. Its only in recent months/years its gained a bit of a cult status, even more so than the series upping its rating on the likes of Rotten Tomatoe.

Its definitely not a must see and doesn't hold much bearing on the current series, not of that big a significance anyway.

Watch if it you've nothing better I guess.

Phillip jefferies, The ring, blue rose all from FWWM. Significant enough so far

Achasanai

I thought some of the references and people being mentioned were new to this season, but looks like I'll have to watch the film. It might help trying to figure out what's going on.

I'm not sure how I feel about it after four episodes, but to be honest, I managed to sift through a lot of the crap season 2 episodes, so I'll obviously persevere.

Well, as long as Michael Cera doesn't make a reappearance. Really hope that was just a cameo. I kinda got used to Andy & Lucy becoming these nearly slapstick characters (especially Andy) in season 2, but my heart sinks whenever the two of them come on screen.

ShaneU

As a UFC fan, Michael Bisping showing up in this has got to be one of the most bizarre, unexpected cameos ever.

Wally Brando's scene...I don't know what to make of it, was he intentionally acting terribly? it was painful to watch regardless.

johnny_ultimate

Been a long time since a TV show grabbed me so completely. Adore how it's in no rush whatsoever, happy to indulge every strange, amusing, terrifying or even beautiful idea and aside.

Episode 5 continues being superb. Favourite moment was that spectacular, ecstatic Amanda Seyfried close-up - the sort of expressive, cinematic image that separates Lynch from the pack. Special kudos to Naomi Watts - as Mullholland Drive proved, she is uniquely tuned in to Lynch's wavelength, and she's fitting right into this dream world.

lawlolawl

Shocking amount of blatant product placement in this show.

Suppose it's necessary to Lynchs artistic vision or some ****.

ShaneU

Haven't a clue what's going on but I'm loving it. Spacer Dale is so funny.

Robert Knepper in T-Bag mode was great!

looie

lawlolawl wrote: »

Shocking amount of blatant product placement in this show.

Suppose it's necessary to Lynchs artistic vision or some ****.

What's more shocking is that you hated the first four episodes yet continue to watch it.

Suppose it's necessary as a means for self-punishment or some ****.

oneilla

looie wrote: »

What's more shocking is that you hated the first four episodes yet continue to watch it.

Suppose it's necessary as a means for self-punishment or some ****.

I've seen comments online to the effect "but, but, but... it's an 18 hour movie so don't judge it based on the first few episodes". And then other people saying "why did you watch this far into it if you don't like it". No negative criticism is valid to Lynch fans.

I personally loved the first series but this new one to me is just a plotless clusterf**k that is totally incoherent. It's a series of random scenes jumbled up together but people are looking into them as if they have meaning and saying there'll be a payoff. I doubt there will be a satisfying payoff but I stand to be corrected.

one armed dwarf

Yeah, not really loving the new series. Pacing wise and even in tone it's kind of reminding me of late-run Breaking Bad (s4/s5). Very long scenes with drip-fed plot progression which can make watching a single episode kind of a joyless thing if you're not a fan of that kind of narrative style.

I'm interested to see where it all goes but a lot of the scenes aren't very interesting and the kookiness seems less genuine. A lot of the original cast feel reduced to boring cameo roles. A bit inevitable I guess with such a long time between series but it makes me sad. I hope at least Bobby becomes more relevant considering the Major Briggs stuff. I read that this was basically filmed as an 18 hours feature and Lynch 'found' the episodes in editing and that undisciplined free-form approach comes across here I think.

Lynch is best when working within the confines of a single TV episode (as he did several times during the original run of TP) or a feature film. With this much freedom I feel like there's a price to be paid. See Inland Empire. Kind of a sense also that there's not a whole lot of new ideas from Lynch here either. Episode 3 had some heavy Eraserhead vibes. There's been a bit of Mulholland Dr. with the Dougie scenes. A little Blue Velvet in this new episode. Kind of feels like a 'best of' if that makes sense with not a lot that feels genuinely new.

Great scene tho when Coop recognises

Bob is still with him in the mirror

. Still excited to see Twin Peaks get resolved at last.

Anyway that's my hot take on new Twin Peaks.

(Someone let me know the spoiler etiquette for episodes that are just aired)

edit: As an aside I bought the Twin Peaks blurays the other week and they're a fantastic collection. Looks gorgeous and presented very well, comes with the movie and international pilot also.

Sad Professor

Loving it so far. Totally unlike anything else on tv.

Lynch's meandering first act is starting to take shape. I'm thinking Becky (Seyfried) and Richard (the psycho in the bar, whose identity the end credits give away) will prove very important characters. Richard is one of the two people the Giant mentioned to Cooper in Part 1. The other was Linda, who we have yet to meet, but is possibly his twin sister ("two birds with the one stone").

Galwayguy35

But isn't the aim of any TV series to be a commercial success and make money?

I know this series will appeal to die hard Lynch fans but to the wider audience (and I include myself in this group) it's making no sense at all so far after 5 episodes.

one armed dwarf

It's got a bit of The Hobbit about it I feel. I'm not necessarily against showing Coop having a hard time re-adjusting to life in a 3D plane (because I guess he was out of space and time in the Black Lodge) but we've had 3 episodes of it now. That casino scene was a very subjective thing I think. Some people seemed to love it and make loads of memes but it just feels like the creators are wasting your time I feel. Do these scenes have to be so long?

Course it calls to mind the weird scenes with the butler at the start of the season 2 premiere (rewatched just a while ago). But even then that was one episode.

johnny_ultimate

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

But isn't the aim of any TV series to be a commercial success and make money?

For Showtime? Sure, and it seems the show has achieved that to some degree if their boost in online subscribers is to be believed. For David Lynch? **** no. And as a viewer I'd rather a show be a go-for-broke artistic accomplishment over it being guaranteed another season (both would be nice).

This is actually a central reason I find TV a less exciting medium than film, most of the time. TV is an aggressively commercial medium, and even great shows often slot neatly into broad generic markers (even a magnum opus like The Wire is a police / crime thriller at its heart, even if it ultimately transcends that). A few oddities from the continent aside - an Out 1 here, a Dekalog there - TV's serialised nature and multi-writer/director nature can create some terrific drama, but despite the luxurious running times often feels tethered to genre and indeed commercial storytelling norms.

While the situation has improved in recent years with a number of artistically assured programmes - Louis CK's two shows, for example, feel like auteur productions - there is little of the more freeform, formally ambitious fare that is commonplace in cinema. Film has a production environment that allows for the funding and distribution of 'arthouse' film alongside the more commercial fare.

Which is why Twin Peaks season 3 feels like a shot in the arm, and for me a much needed one. It has little regard for the conventions of the medium, instead indulging in the wildest ideas Lynch and Frost can conjure up. It is happy to dedicate 20 minutes to a sequence of relentless surrealism, or bring in Hollywood stars for utterly bizarre one-scene cameos. It is as if not more concerned with mise en scene as it is with providing a weekly narrative hook- and even in a world that gives us great shows like Transparent, Better Call Saul, or Fargo, it exists in its own plain. That this got made in its current form, with a major producer apparently giving one of American cinema's most determinedly non-commercial filmmakers free creative reign, is as unlikely as it is exciting.

All that said, and as someone who finds the abstract nature of this season pretty extraordinary, I don't think it is entirely without traditional hooks either. The Dougie stuff is taking its time, but its moving forward and offering clear resolution to a two-decade old cliffhanger (from a show always known for being a bit weird). Narrative arcs for several characters have emerged, as have a few central mysteries that Lynch and Frost are checking in on (most) episodes. That the show is happier to indulge in sizeable, odd asides is undoubtedly, shall we say, divisive - and I can easily see how this is frustrating to many viewers. But a defiant refusal to adhere to TV norms - commercially and formally - is one of its many pleasures for me so far