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Why should I respect other peoples beliefs

Tayschren

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

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Pugzilla

All religions are fake.

VinLieger

I hate people who push this garbage "but like you have to respect my beliefs cus thats the nice thing to do".

Screw that i will respect anyones right to believe whatever they want but theres no reason anyone has to respect the beliefs of anyone else, politeness be damned.

sjb25

I don't respect other people's beliefs but I won't disrespect them a lot of the beliefs are rediculous but it's none of my business is how I see it I won't tell them they are wrong as that is my opinion

My attitude believe/do what you want just don't try push it on me

Day Lewin

Yeah, like people who think that being Vegan and living on strange foods grown under plastic, processed in factories, and imported from thousands of miles away by air, is somehow better for the planet than lunching on the milk and cheese of a local goat. [I'm looking at you, Tofu]

I think they're wrong-headed and nuts, but there you are. They're people, treat them with respect while disagreeing strongly with their views. Quite possibly they think that I am equally wrong!!

greencap

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

You don't have to.

Nobody really cares what you think. Long as you don't negatively interfere in some way.

greencap

c_man wrote: »

It's like the diversity courses they make you go to in many companies. Just go along, nod your head and say what's expected. It's all grade-A bs but the thing to do is go with the flow. There's literally no benefit to calling it out, starting an argument and being a dick. Stick it out and enjoy the free pastries with your fellow attendees later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NJQyGf1wR8

pilly

What right do any of us have to tell another person they're stupid?

We may think their beliefs are ridiculous but so long as they're not imposing them on me how is it my business?

I would not spend a minute in someone's company if they decided to call anyone stupid for holding a widely held belief.

Woodville56

Shenshen wrote: »

Widdershins wrote: »

I would like to know how this person defines ''respect''? I do think everyone's morally entitled not to be persecuted, harassed, bullied or mocked because of their strange beliefs. As long as they're not harming anyone, that is. I think that's just common decency.

But no belief system is above criticism. You can criticise the ideology without being rude to the person.

I would agree that nobody should be persecuted, harassed or bullied for their belief.
But I do draw the line at mocking.

I respect every person's right to belief what they like, but I have the right to think their believes are ludicrous, and to say so. As do they, in turn.

Different believes should be tolerated. Not respected.

I don't think it's tenable quite frankly to respect a person's right to hold a belief yet mock them for holding that belief. You may not agree with their beliefs which is fine, but surely mocking them for holding those beliefs is being disrespectful ? There are certain belief systems I don't agree with and have no problem saying so, but why the need to mock and insult those beliefs ...., for the fun of it, or isn't just stating you don't agree with reasoned argument enough ? I wouldn't accept that mocking the beliefs of others you don't agree with is being tolerant.

Permabear

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sbsquarepants

Short answer is you shouldn't.

You should "respect" your own beliefs by coming to them honestly and logically. To this end, it's perfectly acceptable to sub out some of the heavy lifting to someone who knows more than you, ie to trust that they know something you don't. It would be nice to come to our own conclusions all the time, but it's just not possible, there's always someone smarter than you. Regardless of whether you've figured something out yourself or taken someone elses ideas at face value, you shouldn't set them in stone and be open to changing them in the face of contrary evidence.

Everything else just goes in the "shít others believe" pile, to be ignored at will!

challengemaster

pilly wrote: »

What right do any of us have to tell another person they're stupid?

Well, considering it's actually backed up by science that religious people are less intelligent than their non-religious counterparts, technically there's nothing wrong about calling them stupid.

A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity.

First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more
likely to resist religious dogma. Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style,
which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs. Third, several functions of religiosity, including compensatory control,
self-regulation, self-enhancement, and secure attachment, are also conferred by intelligence. Intelligent people may therefore
have less need for religious beliefs and practices.

http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/The-Relation-Between-Intelligence-and-Religiosity-A-Meta-Analysis-and-Some-Proposed-Explanations.pdf

pilly

challengemaster wrote: »

Well, considering it's actually backed up by science that religious people are less intelligent than their non-religious counterparts, technically there's nothing wrong about calling them stupid.

http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/The-Relation-Between-Intelligence-and-Religiosity-A-Meta-Analysis-and-Some-Proposed-Explanations.pdf

There is something wrong with calling ANYONE stupid, it's an insult and personally I don't go around throwing insults at people.

If you genuinely believe that it's okay to go around calling people stupid then I'd have doubts about your intelligence.

Widdershins

Woodville56 wrote: »

I don't think it's tenable quite frankly to respect a person's right to hold a belief yet mock them for holding that belief. You may not agree with their beliefs which is fine, but surely mocking them for holding those beliefs is being disrespectful ? There are certain belief systems I don't agree with and have no problem saying so, but why the need to mock and insult those beliefs ...., for the fun of it, or isn't just stating you don't agree with reasoned argument enough ? I wouldn't accept that mocking the beliefs of others you don't agree with is being tolerant.

That is what I said myself?

Ah, maybe you were replying to the other poster's reply to my comment..

_Brian

I think it's just an extension of respecting the person themselves.

Say the person believes they are above average in their appearance, should you not respect the fact that they believe this, do you openly mock them demeaning their appearance.

If a person believes something and their belief is damaging no one why shouldn't we respect that.

For me I respect people's thoughts and beliefs providing they aren't damaging anyone nor insisting everyone believe the same thing. i may not agree with them but have a healthy respect that people have a wide range of opinions and are entitled to their opinions and beliefs about anything.

Permabear

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basillarkin

Geuze wrote: »

You seem to suggest that Jesus did not exist.

The majority of evidence supports his existence.

Care to share some of this evidence with us?

Cee-Jay-Cee

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

Because quite simply they are those peoples beliefs and in fact none of your bloody business. You may not respect their beliefs but you don't have to shout about it or show it.

suicide_circus

Permabear wrote: »

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I expressed myself badly. I too have loved ones who are people of faith and wouldn't dream of dishing out constant derision. I have learned that there is no room for debate and discussion on topics of faith because they are privileged in a way that no other subjects are not, namely that they are exempt from the burden of proof and logic. It is not in fact possible to debate them without eventually coming to a dead end and that's the point I suppose.

Banjo

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.
....
So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

You deride their beliefs - which are stated as beliefs, i.e. based on faith rather than outright proven fact - as if you know something they don't. But you don't. You only think you do. You have faith that the best guesses our current best scientific minds (or at least those best guesses that are deemed socially acceptable) are correct. Those same scientific minds don't think they're correct, they think they're a reasonably close approximation of the amount of the full truth that we're currently equipped to understand, and they are constantly trying to refine and adapt those guesses. In that respect, your position is as laughable as the people you are mocking. You know nothing but you think you know everything.

Somewhere, the ghost of Socrates is laughing hysterically. Except there's no such thing as ghosts, feck off ya dope!

Shenshen

Widdershins wrote: »

Would you mock their beliefs to their face even when they're not up for a bit of ribbing? I would feel a bit cruel if I did that. I think everyone is aware that their faith defies science.
As an example, I see memes on Facebook, pointing out the ludicrous chain of events in the Bible, or Quran (rarely), and I don't find these particularly bad. To borrow another poster's phrase, I just wouldn't directly ''rub it in their face''.

I'm not an aggressive person, I go with "live and let live". But I do get annoyed if others don't extend the same courtesy, and then I will mock them, yes.
Interestingly, that's when the whole "you have to respect what I believe" line gets thrown at me, usually.

Overall, I tend to apply the Socratic approach when discussing items of faith or belief. I just keep asking them about the details.
It tends to make me an unpopular person with some.

degrassinoel

Tayschren wrote: »

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

You could just ignore people's theological beliefs or ye know.. stop talking to them about their religion and why you think they're wrong and you're right.

That would be respectful enough to accommodate all parties.

VinLieger

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Because quite simply they are those peoples beliefs and in fact none of your bloody business. You may not respect their beliefs but you don't have to shout about it or show it.

But what about when the try and force their beliefs on everyone else? IE lobbying for public policy due to religious beliefs?
Or they call to your door prosletysing?
Or the countless other ways people of religion try to force their beliefs into other peoples daily lives?

Do I still need to shut up and be polite cus "reasons"?

Shenshen

Woodville56 wrote: »

I don't think it's tenable quite frankly to respect a person's right to hold a belief yet mock them for holding that belief. You may not agree with their beliefs which is fine, but surely mocking them for holding those beliefs is being disrespectful ? There are certain belief systems I don't agree with and have no problem saying so, but why the need to mock and insult those beliefs ...., for the fun of it, or isn't just stating you don't agree with reasoned argument enough ? I wouldn't accept that mocking the beliefs of others you don't agree with is being tolerant.

So you never laughed at a cartoon making fun of certain beliefs? Never enjoyed an episode of Father Ted?

wakka12

As long as they don't disrespect you (sexuality, marital status etc)due to their religious ethos then whats the harm in respecting their belief. Calling them dopes for what they believe in is outright rude and uncalled for

And for the record, I am completely against religion and believe it holds no more grip on reality than any schizophrenic delusion

c_man

Permabear wrote: »

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I don't think he's smart enough to understand studies like that, nor even how to critique it. The study came from on high, worship it ye mere mortals.

ScumLord

You're just using the wrong word that's the problem. You don't respect religious nonsense, you tolerate it.

Glenster

basillarkin wrote: »

Care to share some of this evidence with us?

Only after you share some evidence that Julius Caesar existed.

sbsquarepants

ScumLord wrote: »

You're just using the wrong word that's the problem. You don't respect religious nonsense, you tolerate it.

If an idea is worthy of respect, it will ultimately receive that respect all by itself. All manner of new ideas were once dismissed as crazy but then slowly, as the truth at their core refused to be dismissed, they slowly garnered respect. Others of course, were actually found to be crazy and left to die!

Relativity, evolution and so on don't need laws to protect them from question or criticism. Criticise away - they can (and indeed have) withstood the questioning and the sneering. Fundamental truth remains, no matter what you throw at it.

If any belief can't withstand scrutiny, it's because it's wrong.

Respect can only be given, it can't be taken!

pilly

sbsquarepants wrote: »

If an idea is worthy of respect, it will ultimately receive that respect all by itself. All manner of new ideas were once dismissed as crazy but then slowly, as the truth at their core refused to be dismissed, they slowly garnered respect. Others of course, were actually found to be crazy and left to die!

Relativity, evolution and so on don't need laws to protect them from question or criticism. Criticise away - they can (and indeed have) withstood the questioning and the sneering. Fundamental truth remains, no matter what you throw at it.

If any belief can't withstand scrutiny, it's because it's wrong.

Respect can only be given, it can't be taken!

You see this is the thing. A belief can not be wrong, byit's very nature it's what someone believes in, it's not a statement of fact. Especially when it comes to religion.

That's what people have to get over, both those who have strong beliefs and those who disagree with them.

jigglypuffstuff

challengemaster wrote: »

Well, considering it's actually backed up by science that religious people are less intelligent than their non-religious counterparts, technically there's nothing wrong about calling them stupid.

http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/The-Relation-Between-Intelligence-and-Religiosity-A-Meta-Analysis-and-Some-Proposed-Explanations.pdf

Such Nonsense.... Are you an abstract / conclusion reader?.. Ignoring the finer details and limitations is only twisting words to suit your worldview... In any event let's review

A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity.

challengemaster wrote: »

First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more
likely to resist religious dogma.

This is wrong...for the simple reason that the meta analysis itself states that it's context is paramount here... I.e in atheist societies (Scandinavia, etc) it's conformist to be an atheist... And vice versa... Nice detail you omitted from your post

While we are on the topic of context...

The available data did not allow adequate consideration of the
role of religion type and of culture. As mentioned hereinbe-
fore, the articles included in the meta-analysis did not provide
enough information to code religion type as a potential mod-
erator. There was also not enough information to consider the
role of culture in the intelligence–religiosity association. Of
the 41 studies in the college and no-college groups (the popu-
lations on which we base most of our conclusions), 33 were
conducted in the United States; the remainder were conducted
in Canada (3), Australia (2), Belgium and Holland (1 each);
finally, one study was conducted in several countries but pri-
marily (87% of participants) in the United States, Canada,
and the United Kingdom. Clearly, the present results are lim-
ited to Western societies.
Earlier we alluded to some possible effects of religion
type and culture. Specifically, it was mentioned that the
emphasis on beliefs as the intrinsic component of religiosity
(and, as such, the component with stronger negative relation
to intelligence) might be an attribute of American Protestant
religion, and may be less true of Judaism and Catholicism
(Cohen et al., 2005). Stated differently, the stronger negative
relation of intelligence with religious beliefs may also be
limited to American Protestant population.

So, all of a sudden it may be limited to the American protestant population

And then considering this...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx

We could propose that the protestant population of USA is 37%...or just over 1/3

All of a sudden your meta analysis isn't very generalizable anymore.... And lacks any significant diverse sample

challengemaster wrote: »

Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style,
which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs.

Let us continue our analysis of this wondrous science you have located...

And let's continue with this...

challengemaster wrote: »

Third, several functions of religiosity, including compensatory control,
self-regulation, self-enhancement, and secure attachment, are also conferred by intelligence. Intelligent people may therefore
have less need for religious beliefs and practices.

"We also mentioned above that atheism is not likely to be
considered nonconformist in majority atheist societies, like
Scandinavian societies (P. Zuckerman, 2008). Atheism may
also lose its association with nonconformity in majority athe-
ist subcultures, such as the subculture of scientists (Larson &
Witham, 1998). One might even speculate that in majority
atheist societies, atheism is associated with conformity rather
than nonconformity. Even in these societies, however, several
other proposed causes of the negative relation between intel-
ligence and religiosity remain intact. First, religion remains
negatively linked to analytic style, which characterized more
intelligent people. Second, although religion in atheist society
is not likely to be self-enhancing, it probably continues to
provide functions such as compensatory control, better self-
regulation, and a means of reducing loneliness through attach-
ment to God. To the extent that intelligent people have less
need for these functions, they are less likely to be religious.
Obviously, these conclusions are a topic for future research."

It "probably" continues.... Ie we assume..but we don't know

And then this is a nice ending to the paper

" One last limitation of the present work is the lack of evi-
dence supporting our explanations for the intelligence–reli-
giosity association. Except for the extreme case of religious
fundamentalism (Sherkat, 2010), we clearly posited a causal
relation from intelligence to religion and identified specific
mechanisms to account for it. As described below, the edifice
we built is in need of empirical testing."

So our proposition of a relationship between. Religious belief and intelligence lacks empirical evidence.... How ironic...

Isn't it interesting how labelling people stupid based on the problematic and limited theoretical assumptions of researchers with no empirical evidence to back it up...is somewhat problematic?? Don't you see the irony here?

ANYWAY... To answer the OP

You should respect people's beliefs because regardless of what you hold dear...putting your utmost belief in science alone to account for everything is a limited worldview.. And closed minded..