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BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day

BorneTobyWilde

Modnote - Thread moved to new thread because the other one was near 10k posts.

Bangernomics part 5 here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057493741

Bangernomics rules:
Under €2000
Valid NCT
Something you'd actually drive yourself
VRT paid
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https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-bmw-520i-nct-05-18/15133222

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nct 5/18
2005

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Kiket2ride

Just saw this, looks really nice and probably can negotiate 2k out of it: donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-320i-quick-sale-nct-1-18/15572819

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/land-rover-discovery2-2001/15594553

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NCT'd till 9/17, tax for three days & its coil sprung - for €1600. Seems alright if this is your kind of thing

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/cheap-opel-corsa-tested-09-17/15626337?campaign=3

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Tested till 9/17 for €175...it beats waiting at a bus stop..I think

Gravelly

grogi wrote: »

But they still give a hint when comparing brands for similar wallet, exp. VW vs Ford vs Toyota or MB vs BMW vs Lexus. I would say the VW buyer has similar level of expectations as a buyer of a Toyota...

You very well could be correct in that.

grogi

Gravelly wrote: »

Those list have been proven many times to be totally wrong - I've posted about it here before, but basically, lots of "prestigious" marques do badly, and cheaper marques do well, not because the cheaper ones are necessarily better, but because of the expecatation level of the purchaser.

But they still give a hint when comparing brands for similar wallet, exp. VW vs Ford vs Toyota or MB vs BMW vs Lexus. I would say the VW buyer has similar level of expectations as a buyer of a Toyota...

Gravelly

bear1 wrote: »

Going by that list there are a few manufacturers which should know better then yeah? I.e audi
The list a complete joke.
Let's just drop the whole "debate" as it's pointless

Those list have been proven many times to be totally wrong - I've posted about it here before, but basically, lots of "prestigious" marques do badly, and cheaper marques do well, not because the cheaper ones are necessarily better, but because of the expecatation level of the purchaser. The guy who's paid €85k for a Merc will consider it a huge disappointment if his cupholder doesn't work the way he wanted it to, or Lyric FM doesn't always come in loud and clear, whereas the guy who paid €10k for a Dacia Sandero will be a little more circumspect about the small things. Not to mention that Merc man will probably have the wherewithal to drop the car to the dealer any time he wants, whereas Dacia man might be too busy worrying about the mortgage and working overtime to pay for the car loan.

jharr100

bear1 wrote: »

Going by that list there are a few manufacturers which should know better then yeah? I.e audi
The list a complete joke.
Let's just drop the whole "debate" as it's pointless

Audi / VW does badly in lots of lists..
Maybe thats why they only offer a 3 year 90k km warranty

http://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/most-reliable-engines/

cocoman

unkel wrote: »

Still worth more than a grand. We'll see who's right. @cocoman - make sure to report back here when the car is sold

So I sold the Focus estate for €1100.

Sad to see it go after 6 years. Might have got more if I waited but the OH's car is sitting idle as she changed. I now have her 07 petrol Octavia. I hope I sold the right one!

The Octavia is currently on DD for €3k but it's probably a Bangernomics candidate. Taxed and NCT 05/18. Running well with 198k km.

Half thinking of buying another focus estate (13) or a Qashqai (10/11).

Esel

Bentley is # 38 :eek:

bear1

ligertigon wrote: »

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

alfa is waaaay down the list!

Going by that list there are a few manufacturers which should know better then yeah? I.e audi
The list a complete joke.
Let's just drop the whole "debate" as it's pointless

Toyotafanboi

Rover at #8 and as if that in itself isn't odd enough, MG strolls in at #18.

ligertigon

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

alfa is waaaay down the list!

CharlieCroker

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

CharlieCroker wrote: »

Alfa's are as reliable as most cars once they receive the proper maintenance. I had an 8 year old 156 petrol with 180k miles when I got rid. Ran perfectly because it was maintained.

The issue is proper maintenance on them is expensive and a lot of people scrimp on it.

people seem to use the maintenance argument as an excuse when defending alfas. They need a lot of pampering outside of regular maintenance and even at that they still tend to go wrong. To me it seems to be more down to poor design/quality rather than maintenance issues.

Don't get me wrong they are nice cars it's just they are soft.

I'm far from a fanboi, I've only owned one and am only going off my own personal ownership experience.

It never had a mechanical failure, never failed an NCT and never let me down. Maybe I got lucky but I don't think so.
I'd buy another no problem if it was reasonably priced and had a pile of reciepts.

bear1

jharr100 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-accord-i-ctdi-sport/15334927

Diesel Accord only 71K KM !!

A 12 year old diesel which has done an average 6k a year.
Wonder what the actually mileage was.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-93-aero-hot-turbo-2l/14891970

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9-3 HOT Aero 200 BHP with NCT to 2/18 for €600. Might be a bit ropey but still!

colm_mcm

jharr100 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-accord-i-ctdi-sport/15334927

Diesel Accord only 71K KM !!

And my arse plays the banjo

jharr100

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-accord-i-ctdi-sport/15334927

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Diesel Accord only 71K KM !!

Cantona's Collars

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-corolla-2002-nct-1-18-petrol-1-4/15224437

€650 for this Corolla. I see the seller has an Audi estate for near enough bangernomics money too.

Gravelly

bazz26 wrote: »

Diesel 147 with low mileage, leather interior and NCT till March 18 asking ?1,650

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-147-1-9-jtd-lusso-150bhp/15620206

That's very tempting, wonder if I could persuade the missus to give up her Toyota for it (so I can drive it at the weekends).

punisher5112

Patww79 wrote: »

I used a Hammerite I got in Halfords and then lacquer over the top. Lasted very well until the car went. Just lots of cleaning and degreasing and masking, or take them off the car first. I prefer to do the latter, much less faff.

I'll have to look into halfords so.. Thanks;-)

colm_mcm

Hammerite do a green that works.

Edit: oops. As above.

OldMrBrennan83

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bear1

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Some cars just seem to need more maintenance than others to stay reliable.

There's also the difference between "maintenance" and "failures". Like needing a gearbox rebuild/ replacement at 250k kms, that's a component failure, not a maintenance item, for example and no amount of maintenance will prevent it from happening.

I agree. I simply think it's unfair to tarnish an entire brand simply out of the blue without giving sort of reason why.
It's like me saying Mercedes are a terrible brand and then leaving it at that.
The jtd is a well regarded engine which is used in quite a few cars which is what that 147 has.
So to answer the posters question re alfas.
Get a good one which has been looked after and they can be a joy to own.
As I said I had 2 156s and both ran well. Major flaw is the suspension which are not good for the weight of the engine but this is more for the 2.4 than the 1.9
Make sure the belts and pump have been done or else factor it in.

punisher5112

On the caliper issue my green ones are gone to sh1t.

Anyone any ideas of a fix or even where to get suitable paint.
2006 vRS

Glen_Quagmire

Toyotafanboi wrote:

They are a mean looking car with those wheels, spoiler etc. Were the green callipers a factory option or a trend that just took off afterwards?

Green calipers for petrol and red calipers for diesel models AFAIK

Toyotafanboi

bear1 wrote: »

In which sense? If a car isn't properly maintained then how do you expect it to be reliable?
That's my point.

Some cars just seem to need more maintenance than others to stay reliable.

There's also the difference between "maintenance" and "failures". Like needing a gearbox rebuild/ replacement at 250k kms, that's a component failure, not a maintenance item, for example and no amount of maintenance will prevent it from happening.

Glen_Quagmire

I've never owned or driven an Alfa but I've came across a few people who own Alfas who say you'll never drive anything else after owning and driving one.

I would agree they are very nice looking cars especially inside but are they that much better to drive than other cars or what's the attraction with them especially with the reliability issue tag they seem to carry?

bear1

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

And thus completes the circle of that arguement.

In which sense? If a car isn't properly maintained then how do you expect it to be reliable?
That's my point.

Toyotafanboi

They are a mean looking car with those wheels, spoiler etc. Were the green callipers a factory option or a trend that just took off afterwards?

Glen_Quagmire

Toyotafanboi wrote:

Speaking of dodgy Octavias, i would love one of these.

I remember these going for 10k not so long ago, great car for the money if it's in good working order.

I would love one of the new models, I was considering the pcp finance a while ago but didn't go through with it