086lavey wrote: » New shed wired , had a inspection today by reci , nothing wrong there , I installed all outlets out of reach of cattle ,due to shed not having a area to install them between 400/1200 Told today I have to lower them down , but yet told to keep them out of cattle harm ,there is not one place to mount them lower , what now ?
Mississippi. wrote: » Could you ask the inspector to point out where he would suggest putting them and then argue from there with him?
2011 wrote: » I would fight this. It may require a letter / email with photos. I would argue that the proposed change not safe. 554.1.1 states that socket outlets shall be installed so that they will not be subjected to mechanical damage during normal use.
brightspark wrote: » depending on the type of shed involved can you argue it comes under regulation 705 which only specifies a minimum height (450mm) ? But that regulation only applies in certain cases. Alternatively you are going to have to encase them in a cabinet or something maybe protected by a strong barrier.
086lavey wrote: » this guy shoot me down straight away when I tried to explain my case , I rang reci then to see if I could talk to some one , was told talk to your inspector, is there any one else I can ask to talk to ? The thing now is , there is a grant on this shed , and they are not happy with low Switch's and sockets
2011 wrote: » I would contact CER. Explain to them that you have attempted to explain your case to RECI. Point out that what they propose is against regulations, specifically 554.1.1 A more thorough read of the regulations will throw up more noncompliance I would think. Do your homework before making the call. The problem with common sense is that it is not that common
086lavey wrote: » Thanks very much , I get the feeling he was trying to push his weight around with me , is there a direct contact number for CER in relation to electrical issues
2011 wrote: » I have emailed them in the past, they respond quickly. Failing that google is your friend It would be important to get all of your ducks in a row first. I would focus on the safety aspect. Milking parlours can be particularly dangerous, water, electricity and large strong animals.
2011 wrote: » I would fight this. It may require a letter / email with photos. I would argue that the proposed change not safe. .
Electricman wrote: » What part of the country are you located in? I am a shocked at the advice being given here. It is the role of RECI inspectors to ensure that all works carried out by Registered Electrical Contractors (RECs) comply with the current wiring rules (ET101 2008).
Bite the bullet and make the modiications outlined by the RECI inspector.
You need to learn from this and simply carry out all your work in full compliance with the wiring rules. This will make your life much easier in the future.
As confirmed in another thread in this forum all work in special locations listed in part 7 of the rules can only be legally carried out by a REC.
brightspark wrote: » Perhaps a stupid question but are sockets needed in the shed where the cattle are? Could a separate section be created either with a full wall or other secure barrier to keep the animals away from the sockets etc? ( note I see a consumer unit now being referred to as well) @ Electricman. While rules cannot be modified the interpretation of many of the rules has always been a source of debate. Section 705.554.02 only has a minimum height specified. And 705.513.01 states that Electrical equipment generally should be inaccessible to livestock. And for the wiring something similar in 705.522.6.02 Perhaps this ultimately means no electrical equipment can be installed in the areas accessible to the animals?
086lavey wrote: » the shed has no locations for points at 1200 , I can't even put the light switches outside the shed ( which I don't want to ) due to large sliding doors ,
Mississippi. wrote: » I would contact reci/ safe electric again and ask to speak to the head of inspectors, and if necessary put it in writing to them with photos attached. Farmers could not be expected to build a separate switch room with every shed and there are no spare walls in them. There are thousands of sheds in the country and the way you describe yours is the standard way they are done. I assume this inspector never wired any before he was appointed inspector.
gctest50 wrote: » Out of interest, what would you be using the sockets near the cows for ? Lights n stuff ?
Sparks365 wrote: » Can you post some pictures of the installation? fuse board, sockets and switches showing their locations? were there any other breaches highlighted during the inspection ?
Sparks365 wrote: » How did you get on with RECI and the CER? another inspection coming up if you did contact them me thinks!
086lavey wrote: » Contacted CER , they where surprised inspector told me to drop them , waiting for department of agri to send me a email then it's on to reci , hope for the best , I'd say there will be another inspection yet
Sparks365 wrote: » Did the RECI inspector say to lower them or point out that they were at the wrong height?. From my experience with them they will only tell you whats wrong but not advise on how to put it right. What did the inspector note on the paperwork? that's what going be key here! Just on a side note, Are you close to retirement ?
086lavey wrote: » Just coming back to this , reci came back to me yesterday, they have said the installation is satisfactory and no further works needed , Result !!
