Professor Moriarty wrote: » Sounds much more plausible.
Allah snackbar wrote: » A guard that doesn't drink , now were in fantasy land
seachto7 wrote: » I saw the police in action last week in Spain, and they don't f*ck about, and they actually look like they'd turn you over as well. In Italy, they prefer to look good, but will equally f*ck you up.
seachto7 wrote: » Too many stories in the news of Gardai getting assaulted.
corner of hells wrote: » The way you describe that Garda , it sounds like you don't like him , you call him a useless **** , calling him fat and then say he had a drink driving conviction having after given a half arsed account of how "he" told you how he failed a part of the fitness test and was then allowed pass out as a Garda. Me personally I would never admit to failing a part of a fitness test not once , twice but three time's to anyone let alone anyone who dislikes me. Can you see how it sounds like a fairy story ?
mynamejeff wrote: » i know several who don't drink if you dealt with public order issues every weekend caused bu drinking you mightn't either whats with the attitude allah ?? is the chip on your shoulder hurting ya ?
please helpThank YOU wrote: » Was the pay/salary very good in the garda?
corner of hells wrote: » Is there any chance you're the bloke snackbars rattling on about ?
seachto7 wrote: » To the ex Garda who posted about the uniforms. Dress pants, shirt and tie are hilarious. Doing your job in a suit almost but don't many US police wear similar ? Combat / hiking style pants and hiking style boots or shoes would be better and more comfortable too.
Potential-Monke wrote: » No idea who that is.
please helpThank YOU wrote: » The Gardai are using to much `fairy liquid.
mynamejeff wrote: » wtf does that mean ? very random thing to say isnt it ?
Elemonator wrote: » Wasn't there speak of a tactical outfit for Gardai years ago?
please helpThank YOU wrote: » That is because maybe the person was being stitched up in the first place.:cool:
Potential-Monke wrote: » Yes and no. My basic, after 10 years, was about 800 a week. Tax and deductions (government ones, not loans/insurance/etc) was around 350 of that. My personal loans was another 150, and then health insurance (imo 100% necessary) was 35 a week. So, not terrible, and the "big" cheque, the one once a month to pay for unsocial and weekend allowances, is about another 200 or less on top of that weeks wage. Not terrible wages, but when put with everything else, ie: terrible management, terrible equipment and tech, and mandatory court appearances on your days off, it wasn't worth it anymore. The money was the only reason I stayed as long as I did. But in the end it wasn't worth it. No idea who that is. I'm open to correction, but I believe most us police have an operational uniform and a normal uniform for indoor or non-operational duties. We had the one uniform for everything. The current Community Policing uniform should be the main operational one.
seachto7 wrote: » Irish Stones wrote: » Are you sure? We think the same of ours and look at others' police with a bit of admiration. I lived there. Yes.
Irish Stones wrote: » Are you sure? We think the same of ours and look at others' police with a bit of admiration.
......... wrote: » Lots of younger Guards have left in recent years to do something else. That's something that never would have been heard in the Gardai of up until 10 years ago. A good few of my friends that joined the Gardai a few years back have left. Pretty big decision to change careers, fair play to you for having the ability to do so, unlike a lot of the wasters in the public service. The brightest and best are always able to leave of their own accord and do something else, whereas the wasters would be good for nothing else but staying. What do you do now that you've left ?
Potential-Monke wrote: » It's true, used to be a time that when you became a Garda, you stayed a Garda. Now, it's just a job, that's the way management have made it. It's no longer a career, and that is probably part and parcel of the way things are these days, just a job. I went back to what i was doing beforehand, Tech Support. Less stress, less money, and at least i'm appreciated here. The amount of work i done when i was a Garda to improve the image of AGS, and i got shi for thanks, or management stealing my ideas and to my face saying they came up with the ideas. Anyway, any serving member currently reading this and positive that they should leave but are tentative about doing so for whatever reasons; just leave. Trust me. If you're thinking about it as much as i was before i left, it's the best thing that i have done in the last 15 years!
Potential-Monke wrote: » The training doesn't have an awful lot to do with it. The main problem is the claim culture. The Garda has to be careful because scumbag A will have a claim in against the arresting Garda because they twisted his arm too much, he got a bloody nose while resisting arrest (which, obviously, he wasn't resisting). It's next to impossible to arrest someone without hurting them if they're resisting (and nearly everyone resists). Put that on top of people poking their phones in your face while you're trying to effect an arrest, others shouting unmerciful abuse at you, some even try to help the person getting arrested. And people say numbers help? There were times when it was just me and a colleague, no back up due to it being too busy or something big was on and took all the operational Garda? because overtime doesn't exist any more.
Finally, it's the Fight or Flight situation. The Garda? are just doing their job, what they're being paid to do, so even though it's 100% effort, it pales in comparison to the unexpected and inexplicable strength someone gets when they get into Fight or Flight mode. You've all heard the stories of people being able to lift a car off someone during a high pressure situation. The same happens when a scumbag gets it into his/her head that they're not getting arrested, the strength they get is immense. Don't care who you are or what background you have, it is not simple and straight forward to effect a safe arrest on someone resisting. And even those of you who might have training in certain self-defence, that could come back to bite you if the defence can prove you used too much force, as being trained to defend yourself usually ends up in the person attacking you getting hurt, and you can't be doing that to the lovely scumbag population, because not only will the scumbag sue, but management will not back you up, but instead throw you to the wolves.
RoboRat wrote: » Obviously a change to legislation is required, how can so many countries have a police force that can use effective restraint without fear of being sued. I would be happy with body cameras and an independent review board; if someone was seen to be excessively resisting arrest, then there should be no fear of using a reflective amount of force. If the Gardai don't have guns then they should be at least allowed to use force when required. I disagree with this, with the right training and more importantly ongoing practice of this training, 2 officers should be able to restrain most people. There are various locks, chokes etc that can be applied that can restrain or incapacitate someone but it requires ongoing training and implementation to develop the muscle memory to do them without thinking about it. I have trained with massive rugby players and body builders and when you sink a choke in, the fight or flight takes hold. The problem is that the more they fight, the tighter the chokes becomes. It's non lethal and it will put them to sleep but it requires the person applying it to be responsible as if held too long, it can kill. There is a risk of death as perhaps the person has an existing condition, but the same can be said about a baton over the head or pepper spray that can cause respiratory arrest, stroke or heart attack.
RoboRat wrote: » Wrist locks, arm locks and the likes can also be very effective but again, if they struggle, there is a chance of them breaking a bone but that is their choice and the Guard should never have to face a court because of someone else's stupidity. I know that there needs to be massive changes but at the same time I feel that if we are to continue with an unarmed police force, they should be given all the tools they need to be able to their job, not to mention the support of the public so that they can do so without fear of prosecution, providing they were acting in a responsible manner.
RoboRat wrote: » chokes etc that can be applied that can restrain or incapacitate someone
they have the unfortunate side-effect of causing death if not done properly.
society is heading in the other direction. if more police officers can detain somebody without having to risk damaging the suspect then so be it.
RoboRat wrote: » I do them many times 2 - 3 nights a week for over 5 years and I have never killed anyone.. I've put people to sleep (and been put to sleep myself) but never killed anyone. It requires training and knowing when to let go but there is more chance of killing someone with a baton or pepper spray (especially with the way of nations health is going).
seachto7 wrote: » You look at them, and they don't look in any way threatening, or authoritative.
