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Why are our Gardai "soft" looking?

seachto7

Well, I'm not saying all Gardai are soft looking, but there's a fair whack of them who could do with keeping away from the table and going to a gym.

You look at them, and they don't look in any way threatening, or authoritative.

I don't know if it's the uniform or what. They seem to wear these oversized reflective jackets which are horrible.

I saw the police in action last week in Spain, and they don't f*ck about, and they actually look like they'd turn you over as well.

In Italy, they prefer to look good, but will equally f*ck you up.

I have seen Gardai in action, well able to handle themselves but not a whole lot.

Too many stories in the news of Gardai getting assaulted.

I have seen bangardai with arses the size of houses. (No good in a foot pursuit, let's be honest).

Lots of pudgy youngfellas on the beat.

I'm no oil painting myself.

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mynamejeff

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

That is because maybe the person was being stitched up in the first place.:cool:

stitched up 56 times ? :pac::pac::pac:

Alf Veedersane

Elemonator wrote: »

Wasn't there speak of a tactical outfit for Gardai years ago?

A Tactilneck?

Allah snackbar

mynamejeff wrote: »

wtf does that mean ?

very random thing to say isnt it ?

Fairy keeps your hands soft , from the ad years ago

Elemonator

Wasn't there speak of a tactical outfit for Gardai years ago?

mynamejeff

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

The Gardai are using to much `fairy liquid.

wtf does that mean ?

very random thing to say isnt it ?

Allah snackbar

Potential-Monke wrote: »

No idea who that is.

He's talking about me , I said in a previous post that I knew a guy that passed out without passing the fitness test , a couple of posters were dubious and thought I was making up stories :rolleyes: you later proved me right in one of your posts that you can pass out without the fitness test , their silence is deafening since :pac:

please helpThank YOU

The Gardai are using to much `fairy liquid.

Potential-Monke

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Was the pay/salary very good in the garda?

Yes and no. My basic, after 10 years, was about 800 a week. Tax and deductions (government ones, not loans/insurance/etc) was around 350 of that. My personal loans was another 150, and then health insurance (imo 100% necessary) was 35 a week. So, not terrible, and the "big" cheque, the one once a month to pay for unsocial and weekend allowances, is about another 200 or less on top of that weeks wage. Not terrible wages, but when put with everything else, ie: terrible management, terrible equipment and tech, and mandatory court appearances on your days off, it wasn't worth it anymore. The money was the only reason I stayed as long as I did. But in the end it wasn't worth it.

corner of hells wrote: »

Is there any chance you're the bloke snackbars rattling on about ?

No idea who that is.

seachto7 wrote: »

To the ex Garda who posted about the uniforms.

Dress pants, shirt and tie are hilarious. Doing your job in a suit almost but don't many US police wear similar ?

Combat / hiking style pants and hiking style boots or shoes would be better and more comfortable too.

I'm open to correction, but I believe most us police have an operational uniform and a normal uniform for indoor or non-operational duties. We had the one uniform for everything. The current Community Policing uniform should be the main operational one.

Allah snackbar

mynamejeff wrote: »

i know several who don't drink

if you dealt with public order issues every weekend caused bu drinking you mightn't either

whats with the attitude allah ?? is the chip on your shoulder hurting ya ?

I was being facetious

seachto7

To the ex Garda who posted about the uniforms.

Dress pants, shirt and tie are hilarious. Doing your job in a suit almost but don't many US police wear similar ?

Combat / hiking style pants and hiking style boots or shoes would be better and more comfortable too.

Ben Gadot

corner of hells wrote: »

The way you describe that Garda , it sounds like you don't like him , you call him a useless **** , calling him fat and then say he had a drink driving conviction having after given a half arsed account of how "he" told you how he failed a part of the fitness test and was then allowed pass out as a Garda.

Me personally I would never admit to failing a part of a fitness test not once , twice but three time's to anyone let alone anyone who dislikes me.

Can you see how it sounds like a fairy story ?

Plenty of people admit to failing across all sectors. Some people just talk too much.

the_syco

seachto7 wrote: »

I saw the police in action last week in Spain, and they don't f*ck about, and they actually look like they'd turn you over as well.

In Italy, they prefer to look good, but will equally f*ck you up.

seachto7 wrote: »

Too many stories in the news of Gardai getting assaulted.

Apart from the Gardai, how many of the others don't have guns?

mynamejeff

Allah snackbar wrote: »

A guard that doesn't drink , now were in fantasy land

i know several who don't drink

if you dealt with public order issues every weekend caused bu drinking you mightn't either

whats with the attitude allah ?? is the chip on your shoulder hurting ya ?

Allah snackbar

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Sounds much more plausible.

A guard that doesn't drink , now were in fantasy land

Allah snackbar

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

But you did care otherwise you wouldn't have bothered with the explanation.

I care because you think I lied about a fat cop who can't run , I'd have made it a bit more interesting if I thought it was going to be this topical

please helpThank YOU

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, I do acknowledge that the court systems are a bit of a joke most of the time. The whole 56 convictions and suspended sentences thing is a joke, so I do feel sorry for the Gardai when they arrest someone, go for a conviction but only for the Irish court system to fail them.

That is because maybe the person was being stitched up in the first place.:cool:

markodaly

......... wrote: »

Not as soft as the Irish courts, which is a far far worse problem. Police are wasting their time in Ireland, and they know it.

Yes, I do acknowledge that the court systems are a bit of a joke most of the time. The whole 56 convictions and suspended sentences thing is a joke, so I do feel sorry for the Gardai when they arrest someone, go for a conviction but only for the Irish court system to fail them.

Also, in fairness the Gardai have been under resourced for years and have been shielded from any necessary reform, previous governments have to take the blame for this but the Gardai too as a force have to take some blame here. As an example, if it came between newer uniforms, better stab vets or modern IT systems versus wages, salary and allowances, then the Gardai will always take money in their back pocket every day of the week. There is money there going into the Justice Department but its overwhelmingly going to Gardai pay and not going into replacing outdated equipment or cars.

masculinist

Gardai rarely have to tackle a criminal solo. A call in on the radio and the criminal will be heavily outnumbered and dragged off. Thats how it should be. Criminals dont deserve to be treated like someone who has entered a competition with rules. Crime fighting is not that sort of challenge. Criminals have no respect for rules. However I think a requirement of the job should be to maintain a certain level of fitness. A Garda having a heart attack while struggling with a criminal is not something I want to see happen.

90% of Gardai I encounter are very nice. However theres a 10% with a weird attitude who I think are in desperate need of public relations training. Now I fully understand that weird attitude might be a byproduct of being on the front line having to deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis and trying to flip from one mental state to another in a short time can be difficult. I can attest to it myself that exposure to those sorts of people and having to communicate with them is psychologically stressful. So perhaps there needs to be a two pronged approach of 1) Exercise 2) Relaxation and meditation to avoid carrying stresses of the job home and when facing the general public.

please helpThank YOU

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Some people have got the point of losing the height restriction here. The Garda? are a community based force. For years the work of the Garda? was assisted by the help of the general public. Ask any of your parents or grandparents what they remember of the Garda?, and they will tell you their names, because they got on with the nice public and the criminals were usually scared of them. Why? Because the Garda would batter you. You didn't cross them because you'd get a beating.

Now, the Garda? are much more approachable. Yes, there are times when the big burly guards are required, but less and less are needed these days. 95% of the issues Garda? are involved with are resolved peacefully with no requirement for physical force.

However, i do agree that the fitness should be a core part of the force. The problem is, because it's been this way all along, in order to now demand that fitness be a core part, it will have to be part of the working day. The RSU already get part of their day to gym it up. The regular, traffic, etc are so understaffed that it would't be feasible to bring that in. And before anyone says anything, other police forces get gym time as part of their paid day.

As for the training in Templemore, the "run" is not a requirement to pass (well, it wasn't 11 years ago when i joined). They prefer you to pass it, but you if you fail it it has no effect on your "passing out". The PCT (phsyical test to get in in the first place) is handy. Anyone with a bit of fitness will pass it.

Also, there are sections of AGS that are intimidating, ie: RSU in full gear, balaclavas, military style uniform, MP7 and Glock, maybe a Benelli, 4-6 of them... They're quite intimidating, regardless of size.

The uniform for the regular, in general, it outdated and not suitable for policing today. Shirt and tie? Dress trousers? High-vis jackets that come in a few sizes (XS, S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXL), shirts that are made by the cheapest provider (so badly that the collars weren't designed with a tie in mind, so the tie pushes up a collar), heavy thread pants with no useful pockets, a stab vest that's outdated and way too heavy/cumbersome, a utility belt that has been proven to cause back problems, a small can of the near lowest strength pepper spray, and a metal ASP that's apparently not as dangerous as a wooden one.

Anyway, i left, couldn't be dealing with a public who judged me before i even spoke to them. I'm not massive by any means, i'm 5'6", was overweight for a good few years, but i was sound. I didn't judge, i didn't pick on people, i treated everyone (even the scum) with respect, because too many people with phones recording and uploading select clips. There's a picture of me chasing a woman at a protest, and the article was making it out like i was the bad one, whereas she had just slammed the window of a car so hard that i was surprised it didn't break. She was being a nuisance, and knew it, so she never came within reach. But the media portrayed me as the bad guy in it.

Ye have the police force that the Government made, based on feedback from the community. Ye want a more aggressive, stronger force? It's not going to happen. There's too much PC, not enough Garda?, No proper equipment, no support, management that want to reprimand for every little thing... I'm surprised there's a force left to be honest...

Was the pay/salary very good in the garda?

corner of hells

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Some people have got the point of losing the height restriction here. The Garda? are a community based force. For years the work of the Garda? was assisted by the help of the general public. Ask any of your parents or grandparents what they remember of the Garda?, and they will tell you their names, because they got on with the nice public and the criminals were usually scared of them. Why? Because the Garda would batter you. You didn't cross them because you'd get a beating.

Now, the Garda? are much more approachable. Yes, there are times when the big burly guards are required, but less and less are needed these days. 95% of the issues Garda? are involved with are resolved peacefully with no requirement for physical force.

However, i do agree that the fitness should be a core part of the force. The problem is, because it's been this way all along, in order to now demand that fitness be a core part, it will have to be part of the working day. The RSU already get part of their day to gym it up. The regular, traffic, etc are so understaffed that it would't be feasible to bring that in. And before anyone says anything, other police forces get gym time as part of their paid day.

As for the training in Templemore, the "run" is not a requirement to pass (well, it wasn't 11 years ago when i joined). They prefer you to pass it, but you if you fail it it has no effect on your "passing out". The PCT (phsyical test to get in in the first place) is handy. Anyone with a bit of fitness will pass it.

Also, there are sections of AGS that are intimidating, ie: RSU in full gear, balaclavas, military style uniform, MP7 and Glock, maybe a Benelli, 4-6 of them... They're quite intimidating, regardless of size.

The uniform for the regular, in general, it outdated and not suitable for policing today. Shirt and tie? Dress trousers? High-vis jackets that come in a few sizes (XS, S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXL), shirts that are made by the cheapest provider (so badly that the collars weren't designed with a tie in mind, so the tie pushes up a collar), heavy thread pants with no useful pockets, a stab vest that's outdated and way too heavy/cumbersome, a utility belt that has been proven to cause back problems, a small can of the near lowest strength pepper spray, and a metal ASP that's apparently not as dangerous as a wooden one.

Anyway, i left, couldn't be dealing with a public who judged me before i even spoke to them. I'm not massive by any means, i'm 5'6", was overweight for a good few years, but i was sound. I didn't judge, i didn't pick on people, i treated everyone (even the scum) with respect, because too many people with phones recording and uploading select clips. There's a picture of me chasing a woman at a protest, and the article was making it out like i was the bad one, whereas she had just slammed the window of a car so hard that i was surprised it didn't break. She was being a nuisance, and knew it, so she never came within reach. But the media portrayed me as the bad guy in it.

Ye have the police force that the Government made, based on feedback from the community. Ye want a more aggressive, stronger force? It's not going to happen. There's too much PC, not enough Garda?, No proper equipment, no support, management that want to reprimand for every little thing... I'm surprised there's a force left to be honest...

Is there any chance you're the bloke snackbars rattling on about ?

TimeToShine

I would consider it a very good thing that we live in a country where crime and law breaking are so low that these pudgy tubsters can become gardai. I'm sure if things were to ever deteriorate we would react accordingly in our hiring policy.

Potential-Monke

Some people have got the point of losing the height restriction here. The Garda? are a community based force. For years the work of the Garda? was assisted by the help of the general public. Ask any of your parents or grandparents what they remember of the Garda?, and they will tell you their names, because they got on with the nice public and the criminals were usually scared of them. Why? Because the Garda would batter you. You didn't cross them because you'd get a beating.

Now, the Garda? are much more approachable. Yes, there are times when the big burly guards are required, but less and less are needed these days. 95% of the issues Garda? are involved with are resolved peacefully with no requirement for physical force.

However, i do agree that the fitness should be a core part of the force. The problem is, because it's been this way all along, in order to now demand that fitness be a core part, it will have to be part of the working day. The RSU already get part of their day to gym it up. The regular, traffic, etc are so understaffed that it would't be feasible to bring that in. And before anyone says anything, other police forces get gym time as part of their paid day.

As for the training in Templemore, the "run" is not a requirement to pass (well, it wasn't 11 years ago when i joined). They prefer you to pass it, but you if you fail it it has no effect on your "passing out". The PCT (phsyical test to get in in the first place) is handy. Anyone with a bit of fitness will pass it.

Also, there are sections of AGS that are intimidating, ie: RSU in full gear, balaclavas, military style uniform, MP7 and Glock, maybe a Benelli, 4-6 of them... They're quite intimidating, regardless of size.

The uniform for the regular, in general, it outdated and not suitable for policing today. Shirt and tie? Dress trousers? High-vis jackets that come in a few sizes (XS, S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXL), shirts that are made by the cheapest provider (so badly that the collars weren't designed with a tie in mind, so the tie pushes up a collar), heavy thread pants with no useful pockets, a stab vest that's outdated and way too heavy/cumbersome, a utility belt that has been proven to cause back problems, a small can of the near lowest strength pepper spray, and a metal ASP that's apparently not as dangerous as a wooden one.

Anyway, i left, couldn't be dealing with a public who judged me before i even spoke to them. I'm not massive by any means, i'm 5'6", was overweight for a good few years, but i was sound. I didn't judge, i didn't pick on people, i treated everyone (even the scum) with respect, because too many people with phones recording and uploading select clips. There's a picture of me chasing a woman at a protest, and the article was making it out like i was the bad one, whereas she had just slammed the window of a car so hard that i was surprised it didn't break. She was being a nuisance, and knew it, so she never came within reach. But the media portrayed me as the bad guy in it.

Ye have the police force that the Government made, based on feedback from the community. Ye want a more aggressive, stronger force? It's not going to happen. There's too much PC, not enough Garda?, No proper equipment, no support, management that want to reprimand for every little thing... I'm surprised there's a force left to be honest...

Cee-Jay-Cee

Allah snackbar wrote: »

Ok ? I know him personally , when he passed out he had never completed the run he had to pass the physical , I think he told me that you had to run a mile and a half in 11 minutes or something like that , he was never able to beat the time they set as a minimum standard of fitness and they let him do it 3 times , he told me himself that he wasn't far off it twice but they just let him off with it , he was done for drink driving about 3 years ago and he retired shortly after .
I don't know what makes you think it would be in my interest to make up something like this , would you care to elaborate , and believe me I don't really give a **** what you think but I'd like to go some way in understanding your idiotic post

But you did care otherwise you wouldn't have bothered with the explanation.

Professor Moriarty

Allah snackbar wrote: »

Yes , it's all a lie , he's actually still in the guards , never failed his fitness test and climbs Everest every 6 weeks for charity ,he's a non drinker ,a midwife on his days off while running a meals on wheels for the elderly , does that make you feel better :rolleyes:

Sounds much more plausible.

Allah snackbar

corner of hells wrote: »

The way you describe that Garda , it sounds like you don't like him , you call him a useless **** , calling him fat and then say he had a drink driving conviction having after given a half arsed account of how "he" told you how he failed a part of the fitness test and was then allowed pass out as a Garda.

Me personally I would never admit to failing a part of a fitness test not once , twice but three time's to anyone let alone anyone who dislikes me.

Can you see how it sounds like a fairy story ?

Yes , it's all a lie , he's actually still in the guards , never failed his fitness test and climbs Everest every 6 weeks for charity ,he's a non drinker ,a midwife on his days off while running a meals on wheels for the elderly , does that make you feel better :rolleyes:

corner of hells

Allah snackbar wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Anecdotal evidence is often the best evidence.

So you've never told a story that you've heard first hand from someone else , I mean he didn't say he went to mars just that he was let pass out without passing one part of the physical exam , I think I'll just post humorous one liners in future to see how many thanks I can get

The way you describe that Garda , it sounds like you don't like him , you call him a useless **** , calling him fat and then say he had a drink driving conviction having after given a half arsed account of how "he" told you how he failed a part of the fitness test and was then allowed pass out as a Garda.

Me personally I would never admit to failing a part of a fitness test not once , twice but three time's to anyone let alone anyone who dislikes me.

Can you see how it sounds like a fairy story ?

.........

artorias wrote: »

I come from a place where the police force is composed of huge men and women who are always heavily armed and are trained in several martial arts. Crime rate is stupid high there and police officers are often killed by kids half their weight. That being said, the police are a bunch of abusive thugs who will rough people up and sometimes shoot and kill innocents.
You don't want that kind of crap here. Your police is fine, crime rate here is stupid low compared to the rest of the world. Learn to appreciate the things you have, because they don't last forever.

Thing is that's the not bar we want to set for ourselves in Ireland, so the Irish people have every right to expect and demand improvement in their Police force, rather than sit back, lie down, and accept decline.

.........

markodaly wrote: »

There is an impression that the Gardai are soft alright

Not as soft as the Irish courts, which is a far far worse problem. Police are wasting their time in Ireland, and they know it.

Allah snackbar

artorias wrote: »

I come from a place where the police force is composed of huge men and women who are always heavily armed and are trained in several martial arts. Crime rate is stupid high there and police officers are often killed by kids half their weight. That being said, the police are a bunch of abusive thugs who will rough people up and sometimes shoot and kill innocents.
You don't want that kind of crap here. Your police is fine, crime rate here is stupid low compared to the rest of the world. Learn to appreciate the things you have, because they don't last forever.

Exactly , we have the police force we deserve simply because contrary to what some people think , we live in relative paradise compared to some parts of the world where the police are tough as nails and have to be , guards in Ireland get by 99 percent of the time by less stressful means than strong arm tactics and it works for them

artorias

I come from a place where the police force is composed of huge men and women who are always heavily armed and are trained in several martial arts. Crime rate is stupid high there and police officers are often killed by kids half their weight. That being said, the police are a bunch of abusive thugs who will rough people up and sometimes shoot and kill innocents.
You don't want that kind of crap here. Your police is fine, crime rate here is stupid low compared to the rest of the world. Learn to appreciate the things you have, because they don't last forever.