A Battered Mars Bar wrote: » What are they doing all day? Just lounging around playing ps4? Only punishment suitable for them would be to put them to work in prison. As most of them haven't done a days work in their lives it would put a bit of discipline in them and they will learn the merits of working hard. And I don't mean cotton wool jobs like laundry and kitchen work. I mean making stuff that can be sold so the state profits or digging. There is always stuff to be dug. Just think it's a joke that they're allowed lay about all day like lazy sods in prison.
Alcoheda wrote: » Do you really want a prison for profit system like they have in the states?
A Battered Mars Bar wrote: » Yes and 3 strike rule while we're at it. Be far better off for Irish society if people with 90 convictions are locked up for life after 3 and made to work so they can some use to us.
mfceiling wrote: » If they wouldn't work on the outside they sure as shìte wouldn't work on the inside.
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » we could get the Japanese to run them through
Gravelly wrote: » If prisoners were put to work doing "real" jobs, then private companies could complain (rightly) about unfair competition, and you would also have the above mentioned problem of "for profit" prisons, and all the potential problems that could bring. In order to get around both of these problems, you could make prisoners do "makework jobs" - such as digging trenches in the prison yard, which are then filled in and dug again, building brick walls using lime mortar which are then knocked down to be rebuilt, stripping car engines and rebuilding them etc. Prisoners could be given very basic accommodation and food (no TV or playstation, no dessert, basic, no-frills cell) and they could earn these things through their work, and lose them if they refused to work or did their work badly. The advantages to these types of jobs would be: Prisoners would learn the discipline of real-world jobs - getting up at the same time every day, working a full 8 hours, taking orders etc. They would learn real, usable skills - in the cases above, labouring, bricklaying, mechanical skills etc. which could be used when they are released They would have less time on their hands, so less fighting, drug use, etc. It would keep them fit and healthy, physically and mentally A prisoner who did such work would have to be more prepared for life in the outside society than one who has sat in a cell, taking drugs and playing video games for the duration of their sentence. The problem of course, is that the do-gooder brigade would consider it a human rights violation akin to the nazi concentration camps to make prisoners work, so it will never happen unfortunately. Far better to let them stew and plan their further criminal enterprises when they get out.
soups05 wrote: » 3 strikes may not be a great rule, but 50 plus convictions and still walking the streets is a bad joke. why would any of us follow the rule of law when you can just rack up convictions like points in a video game with no consequences? at what point should the courts say that's enough, you not getting back out.
Summer wind wrote: » Working would make a good change from them going to the gym and 3 course dinners with jugs of orange and coffee and watching tv all at our expense.
Conservative wrote: » Stick the scobes in hard labour camps 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. Living conditions should be cramped, literally a pot to piss in. Think how Reoffenders could increased to 18 hour days, one meal otherwise placed in solitary confinement for the entirety of their sentence. Third time offenders hung in the streets. Instead we have the UN telling us we are currently infringing on their human rights but putting them 3 to a cell.
end of the road wrote: » the supposed "do-gooder brigade" (whoever they are) would not have an issue with this as long as 1. it was implemented properly and could be proved to work in cutting reofending rates and would mean prisoners would get work. 2. there was a guarantee that prisoners released from prison would receive employment.
end of the road wrote: » the supposed "do-gooder brigade" (whoever they are) would not have an issue with this as long as 1. it was implemented properly and could be proved to work in cutting reofending rates and would mean prisoners would get work. 2. there was a guarantee that prisoners released from prison would receive employment. i should imagine the reason most of us would follow the law is we don't want to end up in court or jail. a lot of the living conditions claimed to be the case in irish prisons (and uk prisons) are over exaggerated on the basis of so called evidence by rags. well, the un are just going on the rules. if they are telling us we are in breach, then we are.
Gravelly wrote: » Going by the above, you would fit quite nicely in the do-gooder brigade. Why should it only be implemented if it proves to cut reoffending rates? Why should prisoners be guaranteed employment? Why should they be rewarded for breaking the law? The above attitude is the reason prison has become a holiday camp for the recidivist criminal - the do-gooders dread that the poor prisoner might have to get out of the scratcher in the morning and do a days labour - that's only for the foolish law-abiding apparently!
Summer wind wrote: » I'm not depending on newspapers for information about prison living conditions. What iv said is the truth. They do have a gym and 3 course meals and tv.
end of the road wrote: » prison is not a holiday camp. i want my money spent on solutions proven to actually work in terms of cutting reofending rates, not to be pissed down the drain on solutions just to make some feel good. you guarantee employment for them on the outside as it will give them a foothold back into society and may even make them realise it's worth contributing to society then going against it. if it doesn't work and they reofend then you lock them up again. the facts are, the current ysystem doesn't cut reofending rates, the usual suggestions put forward here and on the internet in general are mostly rabel that don't work. so, one must put forward suggestions that haven't been tried here but have been tried elsewhere and been proven to work.
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