martinsvi wrote: » was it ever available to residents of ROI anyway?
donkey balls wrote: » It wasn't that long ago that Irish banks would loan 100k for flight training, I could have got a loan back then due me being a home owner, But I can never see a full cadetship like years ago ever coming back into the industry.
deaddonkey15 wrote: » Aer Lingus do it every year.
donkey balls wrote: » I thought with the EI scheme that the cadet had to pay some of the money up front.
Stovepipe wrote: » the EI cadet scheme, as it stands, is rumoured to be changing by the end of 2017.
Stovepipe wrote: » As far as I know, partial payment of the total cost will be the future.
deaddonkey15 wrote: » Great.
1123heavy wrote: » Aer Lingus doing this may well be great, if gets rid of those who were doing a degree in the arts in circus college and suddenly decide they want to be a pilot getting it whilst genuine candidates missed out for silly reasons. Too many people with no background and little demonstrated previous interest in aviation get the aer lingus cadetship whereas genuinely good candidates who have wanted to be pilots for a long while don't ... often times they fall short of the questionable "personality profile" test in existence (which entails questions such as "do you watch pornography?") but others with no previous interest just happen to pass it. Demand some commitment but not beyond reason (25,000 eu was just right imo) and do away with the chancers
Stovepipe wrote: » Yes. Plenty that I have talked to, in there and outside, had no background in flying in the slightest or had had a voucher flight, at most, or had never flown in anything smaller than an airliner. Very few had an abiding interest in flying before they got in and it may surprise you to know that many airline pilots have no continuing interest in flying outside of their jobs,(to the point of actual distaste), don't fly outside their jobs, except to go on holiday and a huge amount of them do not maintain their original PPL. Being an aerosexual is not encouraged in the job; they would prefer if you devoted your energies to being a professional, with a view to further education, such as a degree, to move you upstairs in the foodchain. Airlines couldn't care less what you do on your day off, as long as you don't scare the horses or frighten the children. Equally, they don't really care what you bring in flying terms to the recruitment table, as every airline has different ideas of what a starter pilot should do or be, because they all want to mold you to their way of thinking, which is to be a professional and a good team player at all times and to never embarrass the airline.....it's a bit like professional mariners or drivers or firemen. Very few of them "do" the day job on their days off.
Open Up wrote: » I was just referring to the fact that lots of "chancers" are getting through.
notharrypotter wrote: » Thread hijack but what is a "chancer"?
1123heavy wrote: » Aer Lingus doing this may well be great, if gets rid of those who were doing a degree in the arts in circus college and suddenly decide they want to be a pilot getting it whilst genuine candidates missed out for silly reasons. Too many people with no background and little demonstrated previous interest in aviation get the aer lingus cadetship whereas genuinely good candidates who have wanted to be pilots for a long while don't ... often times they fall short of the questionable "personality profile" test in existence (which entails questions such as "do you watch pornography?") but others with no previous interest just happen to pass it. Demanjd some commitment but not beyond reason (25,000 eu was just right imo) and do away with the chancers
Negative_G wrote: » Every time the topic of an EI cadetship comes up on this forum there are always a lot of sour grapes and accusations of nepotism. Most of these are contain zero substance whatsoever.
1123heavy wrote: » I seriously beg to differ, it is awful naive to think nepotism has never played a role in the Aer Lingus cadetship. You have just reminded me of a time I was having a casual chat with a crew member back in Feb. I explained about my love of flying and the aer lingus cadethship etc, i specifically mentioned they take 12 and she cut across me. She then said, and I quote, "well they say 12, but in reality there's only probably about 6 when you count in those getting in through family and the likes". I didn't need her to tell me, but it surprised me that there is obviously no secret made of it among the staff! It is foolish to think it isn't true. As for your comment about personality profiles being highly accurate etc etc, well how come just 3 weeks ago I went to an interview and about 15 mins into it I was told my real life personality didn't match what my personality profile said about me ... ? They are methods of reducing the numbers, it's that simple. I work for an airline and have spoken to the recruitment guys, they explained they have to have a way to reduce the numbers and cut people out with something to go on, the personality profile tests provide them with just the tool they need to do that. It is somewhat a lottery. If you don't believe me then ask one of the numerous pilots out there who 'fail' the personality test, then 'pass' the exact same test 6 months later with the same airline. Unless you have serious mental health issues you do not change your personality in 6 months ... highly accurate tool I think not. I'm honestly not bitter, I've gotten where I want to be in life so far and consider myself to be extremely lucky in more ways than one ... this is just an observation I and many others have made
Age hasnt got much to do with it, once youre in the stated age range it makes no difference at all. It's all down to how you perform at your assessments.
...How you perform in their assessments is what it all boils down to (which I can tell you are bloody tough! )
...There are some modular guys who trained at the likes of the NFC but one can't really tell if that was on merit or if a few phone calls were made behind the scene for those to get in...
I seriously beg to differ, it is awful naive to think nepotism has never played a role in the Aer Lingus cadetship.
...the personality profile tests provide them with just the tool they need to do that. It is somewhat a lottery...
deaddonkey15 wrote: » I don't really have much to say on the personality tests, but assuming two candidates meet the standard for only 1 place available my money is on Candidate A from Raheny getting the gig ahead of Candidate B from Dingle.
deaddonkey15 wrote: » Call it what you want. But when 3000 applications are received from all over Ireland, the UK, and beyond and the majority of cadets selected are from within 10 miles of EI head office and the airport at which they will eventually be based then that definitely raises a few eyebrows and certainly doesn't sit right with me personally.
Open Up wrote: » They have pilots based in Cork? That's closer to Dingle... Anyway, as I said, they don't know your address. If you look at the cadets from the last few years they are from a variety of places, including overseas.
deaddonkey15 wrote: » Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the cadets are initially based in Dublin? Also, if I recall correctly an address is requested in the application process (along with the who do you know in the airline question). Nevertheless, most people would have their address on their CVs, passports and licenses which they are required to submit. Where a candidate is actually from would likely come up in an interview as well.
Open Up wrote: » I'm not going to argue on this one anymore. I think the fact that cadets have been from all over Ireland, UK, and Europe disproves your point.
deaddonkey15 wrote: » But mainly Dublin. Look at the 2015 intake: Raheny, Sutton, Rush, Balbriggan, Ashbourne, Lucan, Rathfarnham. Literally a circle around the head office and from 3000 applications from all over Europe? What a coincidence.
