LuckyLloyd wrote: » But why? Surely the objective should be to remove pressures like this for either gender?
Candie wrote: » Here's something for you to chew on, Robbie. Somewhat NSFW.
RayM wrote: » That is the last time I send anyone a dick pic on this website. :mad:
Murrisk wrote: » You specified women. That's the conditioning part.
gramar wrote: » It's called an opinion. I don't find armpit hair on women attractive. You say conditioning. I say personal preference. I didn't say men because I'm not gay and again I refer you to the thread title.
JupiterKid wrote: » Given the amount of men, especially younger men sporting beards these days? Do you think women should reconsider their grooming habits? In the 1970s it was all the rage for women to be much more hirstute than today. And apparently it's making something of a comeback in the USA. So, do you think women should be more natural in the hair department? Or is it sexist to expect bare armpits and Brazillians?
everlast75 wrote: » It's nothing to do with pressures from society at all.
_Whimsical_ wrote: » I think it's quite depressing how we keep changing the goal posts on what a woman is. To be desirable she's intended to contort to accommodate all sorts of ridiculous fashions and fads while seeming easy going and not caring too much, an "au natural" lady who only spending hours and a large portion of her income being waxed and shaved and preened and painting her face and eyelashes. She'll spend hours in the gym and eat a limited diet to maintain a "healthy" physique .But she won't get muscly or too strong now, we wouldn't want that, that wouldn't be ladylike. She'll work to have skinny long legs and a tiny waist while still magically maintaining the fat in certain areas to have the whole "tits and ass" jiggle. People have had body hair since the beginning of time. The species was not on the verge of dying out before Veet wax and the Venus shaver were invented. Men were not refusing sex, huddled in corners replused and traumatised by the site of a hair. Can we not just all grow up and let people be as they are and recognise that we're becoming entirely informed on issues like body hair, particularly public hair, by advertising, tv shows and porn. Someone's benefitting from the stupid slavish ways our tastes are created and it's not any of us. It's people creating products and businesses around catering to our dysphoric notions of what an normal body or face is.
Candie wrote: » Yeah, I'm saying its a fashion and the current fashion had it's roots in porn. These trends come and go in cycles. First it's the bald look, then the pendulum swings around to such nonsense as the full bush brazillian - where you get to keep your pubic hair but - most importantly - still pay for a wax anyway. Industries rely on the perpetuation of these fashions. If the trend was to wear the same three outfits in rotation for the rest of your life, jobs would be lost. Beauty industry jobs would be lost if it was the trend to keep your body hair, entire businesses are devoted to facilitating it's removal, it's in their interest to foster the idea that it's unhygenic, a turn off, and somehow unfeminine. Why do you think everyone has groucho marx eyebrows lately? Because it's promoted as a trend, and now you have people who are employed to spend their entire days working on peoples eyebrows.
Deleted User wrote: » I agree, the way that we women change "what a woman is" is very silly.
LexieOnRale wrote: » I don't think it has anything to do with the beauty industry pushing trends to make money from it. It's personal preference. From the age of 12 years old, I was upset with hair appearing on me. I stopped going to the swimming pool, I was self conscious in shorts or dresses and I felt dirty and unclean. Despite my mother telling me not to start shaving my legs, I did. I shaved everything, arms, legs, underarms,bikini area. Even as a child I hated my body with hair. That was nothing to do with trends or social conditioning - it genuinely upset me and I've been getting rid of all my body hair since before I was even a teenager.I'm in my 20s now, and I find it absolutely repulsive still. I wax everything. Lip, chin, sides of face, around my hairline at the back of my neck so my ponytail is perfect when I tie my hair up. I wax my forearms, my underarms, my bikini area, my legs, if there's any fuzz on my tummy. The majority of my friends are in the beauty industry and I ask them to wax the bits I can't reach, or the other girls in work and they tell me there's nothing there to wax, I'm being silly etc but to quote my best friend "she doesn't have anything there, but just do it anyway, she hates hair"I've been waxing religiously a good ten years so the regrowth is very light and sparse but even feeling fuzz there stresses me out and it has to come off. When I'm single, I still get Hollywood waxing done, still have my legs waxed. I'm not doing it for anyone else but me. I love being freshly waxed, how smooth my skin feels, how different it feels when my clothes touch off my skin. I'm more confident, I feel better about myself, I feel clean, I feel happy. That has nothing to do with my gender, I've always felt sad and gross with hair. I hate body hair on men too. I cringe so hard seeing guys look like a rug, I hate beards, I wouldn't sleep with a man that had a hairy chest or didn't keep his underarm and pubic area trimmed. I gag at the thoughts of waking up with my skin touching off someone's body hair. As for brows, that's a trend but it's always been a trend, 20s had their own trend and icons right up until now. The perfect brow (if you take into consideration the golden ratio) frames a persons face. There's that HD look, or the scouse brow, that has people walking around with actual slugs on their faces but that's not a groomed Brow or a trend, more like poorly applied makeup.
cantdecide wrote: » I think we need to give more credit to women for doing what they want for the reasons they have. Lots of lads use the gym for reasons of health and attractiveness to others. As long as it's good and healthy and their own choice, what's the harm? It's just a fact that people care about fashion, trends and attraction to your preferred sex...
Harry Palmr wrote: » This is essentially you telling us you have a psychological problem rather than it being a good or bad thing in itself.
LexieOnRale wrote: » Even as a child I hated my body with hair. That was nothing to do with trends or social conditioning - it genuinely upset me and I've been getting rid of all my body hair since before I was even a teenager. I'm in my 20s now, and I find it absolutely repulsive still. I wax everything. Lip, chin, sides of face, around my hairline at the back of my neck so my ponytail is perfect when I tie my hair up. I wax my forearms, my underarms, my bikini area, my legs, if there's any fuzz on my tummy.
LexieOnRale wrote: » It's not. It's how someone feels. Not every woman waxes her hoods because she wants to impress a man who will never even see her without her clothes on. I just find this topic about women's appearance bizarre. You have women who tear women who wax asunder, saying things like they prefer not to look like a child or their partner doesn't like the child look on her, you have women who judge women who wax much more than you have women judging women who don't wax. I couldn't give a flying **** if a woman has a full on bush in her underwear but that's not often true on the other side of it. You can't put on a bit of makeup, a pair of high heels or get waxed without the assumption you're doing it for a man. There's other reasons for doing things relating to our own appearance than following pubic trends
Candie wrote: » I think it's kind of sad that you're repulsed by your natural state. As I said, I talk a big game but I still remove my own body hair. I'm not sure I'd bother if it lost favour as a trend but I don't know. I'm never repulsed by any aspect of myself though, that seems quite OTT.
Winterlong wrote: » No hair below the ears - thanks!
gramar wrote: » Call me sexist I don't care but I find underarm hair on a woman quite revolting.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » the point still stands though. up until the 1990's it was unusual to be completely shaved. Now it is unusual not to be shaved. In western culture anyway.
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