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Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2

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Script is done
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As is the table read
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Filming starts in February.

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[Deleted User]

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Logan did, I thought. Didn't get that from Doctor Strange or Suicide Squad/BvS though.

Good call but Logan was specifically written with that in mind, and yeah I was more thinking of MCU and DC
Guardians is pure comedy but developing real feelings towards the characters

MilesMorales1

Deleted User wrote: »

OK; even with its flaws, how many posts here are talking about its feels? What other comic book film lately had people really discussing that?

Logan did, I thought. Didn't get that from Doctor Strange or Suicide Squad/BvS though.

[Deleted User]

OK; even with its flaws, how many posts here are talking about its feels? What other comic book film lately had people really discussing that?

MilesMorales1

Cienciano wrote: »

I think we can all agree on one thing. It wasn't as good as the first. Not thats not necessarily a bad thing, the first was very good.
I don't have any problems with the story in general, I just think a bit of the jokes in this one were a bit forced, they need to lay off Dax laughing at unfunny stuff, that was way overdone. The pac-man thing at the end was absolutely terrible. A few scenes at that big fight at the end weren't great.

But definitely a good movie worth watching. I wouldn't be buying the bluray, but I'd still recommend people to watch it.

It definitely wasn't. The first was such a surprise and all, and trying to do the same thing (or at least a very similar thing) just wasn't going to work as well.

I thought the most emotional bits were

Yondu's funeral (Stallone!) and when Drax was talking about his family to Mantis, and although he was talking about it happily, she could sense the sadness coming from him.

Cienciano

I think we can all agree on one thing. It wasn't as good as the first. Not thats not necessarily a bad thing, the first was very good.
I don't have any problems with the story in general, I just think a bit of the jokes in this one were a bit forced, they need to lay off Dax laughing at unfunny stuff, that was way overdone. The pac-man thing at the end was absolutely terrible. A few scenes at that big fight at the end weren't great.

But definitely a good movie worth watching. I wouldn't be buying the bluray, but I'd still recommend people to watch it.

Nervous Wreck

Ha!

pjohnson

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Because
Babydave06@gmail.com Groot won't be much help against Thanos in Infinity War
, I'd reckon..!

Babydave06@gmail.com your autocorrect went bonkers.

Penn

GOTG2 in my opinion, has its flaws and doesn't reach the heights of the first one. But some of the criticism being levelled at it is laughable at best, even subjectively.

The film isn't trying to be Logan or The Dark Knight. It's trying to be a fun, entertaining, comedy action film with a relatively simple story and as much character development as a film like this should. It fleshes out some of the characters who didn't get a lot in the last film (Yondu, Nebula and even Rocket) and ties off the ends of stories set up by the main characters in the last film (Peter and his father, Gamora's relationship with Nebula, Drax moving on from his dead wife).

The film has its flaws, particularly with the action scenes and some of the comedy was overdone... but a 2/10? Jesus Christ... Hell I hated Batman V Superman for the most part and I'd still give it at least a 5.

Nervous Wreck

flazio wrote: »

Nobody goes in to this expecting a Best Picture contender. It's just a bit of escapism for a couple of hours.
Personally I think the saddest scene is in the credits.
Teen Groot, why does Baby Groot have to grow up?

Because

Groot won't be much help against Thanos in Infinity War

, I'd reckon..!

flazio

Nobody goes in to this expecting a Best Picture contender. It's just a bit of escapism for a couple of hours.
Personally I think the saddest scene is in the credits.

Teen Groot, why does Baby Groot have to grow up?

FunLover18

BMMachine wrote: »

ok - why was this film good?

Well, I can only tell you why I think it's good. You'll probably disagree.

I don't think this film does nothing. The focus of this movie isn't the plot, it's the characters and they are all developed to some degree. The familial bond between them is strengthened;

Peter learns to appreciate what family he has instead of focusing on the family he doesn't have, Gamora is so scarred by Thanos's "parenting" that she only ever saw Nebula as competition and never as a sister which gives us a massive insight into her character and explains why she's the one Guardian who's least likely to open up. Although Rocket could give her a run for her money and we see him learn in this film that while he may be the only one of his kind, he's not alone. We'll have to disagree about there being too many characters, not every one gets an arc but I think the film manages to balance them all so that none of them are underserved; even that small moment when Mantis touches Drax while he's remembering his daughter and she starts to cry, it's a lovely moment that shows Drax as much more than comic relief. I don't really understand your criticism about the 'lack of sexuality', there is very clearly sexual tension between Peter and Gamora which is poked fun at throughout, I wouldn't call it 'told not shown' at all. Mantis revealing Peter's feelings is clearly a joke used to demonstrate her gifts, his feelings towards her have been pretty clear since the original. Peter and Gamora have a conversation about it where Peter tries to address the issue and she tries to avoid it (which perfectly fits with her character), again I don't think that's done for the audience's sake. You must have a very low opinion of the people who like these movies if you think that characters talking about something is an example of telling not showing, are characters not allowed talk about anything? Also worth noting that the first time we meet Yondu in this film, he's in a brothel.

I agree with to some extent that the villain is weak, I wouldn't go so far as to say terrible, and the plot lacks stakes but Kurt Russell is great (and holy **** the de-aging in this was as near to perfect as Marvel have come so far) and when you have such a large cast to juggle with, I think Gunn is right to put priority on character rather than plot, this was the case in the original as well. So, you might think this is a major flaw, I think it's the film's strongest feature. It's almost like the whole thing is subjective

MilesMorales1

A Neurotic wrote: »

What's that now?

In case you haven't seen it

Stan Lee being one of the Watchers, even if it was a dumb joke.

A Neurotic

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

- Confirmed a cool fan theory.

What's that now?

Outkast_IRE

I would rate the movie a very good 8/10.

Nothing groundbreaking. More of the same really.

Positives -
Some very well directed and produced scenes. The opening action scene in particular was very impressive with how they handled groot etc.

Some great dialogue - Some Great Set Pieces - Some very fine performances from the actors (Rocket, Drax & Groot are particularily strong). Hugely enjoyable - frequent laughing and smiling all around at my viewing.

Once again loved the soundtrack.

Negatives -
It moves on with some the Guardians backstories but for whatever reason i never felt they were saving the galaxy ( Even though they were). it set out to be more of a backstory movie and it achieves that but i think i would of liked to of seen the overall Marvel Arc towards the end-game moved forward in some way.

Overly long final battle. - Same criticsim i made of Superman, some of the Ironmans, second Avengers etc. I dont think anybody wants a battle lasting 20mins or more. It just becomes a very obvious CGI fest.

Overall i would highly reccomened it - very enjoyable viewing.

MilesMorales1

BMMachine wrote: »

ok - why was this film good?

(All entirely in my opinion)

- Great music choices.
- Great atmosphere, cool irreverent off beat feeling, even if that feeling isn't as strong as it was with the first.
- Real great acting and character beats. Got me emotional, even if it did nothing for you. Drax and Rocket are excellent specially, and Yondu and Stallone were fab.
- Cool action, cool villain as well,

Ego

was a great choice.
- Looks amazing and bright and colourful.
- It was funny and easily passed the 6 laugh test.
- Confirmed a cool fan theory.
- Didn't feel a need to overload itself with connections to other MCU stuff or set up future sequels/related MCU films.

See, two people had two different reactions to the same film, isn't that mad.

Optimalprimerib

BMMachine wrote: »

ok - why was this film good?

It was exactly what was expected, as it was for you. I took great joy from it as it was fun, funny and even emotional at times. Drax is so watchable, he's a great character.

BMMachine

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Not really? Anything is subjective, so you're saying 'it's a fact this film is garbage' is complete rubbish. 'It's a film I wasn't keen on for these reasons' is more accurate.

ok - why was this film good?

MilesMorales1

BMMachine wrote: »

well if something needs to defend itself on being subjective to defend its quality then I think its already on really shaky ground in the first place

Not really? Anything is subjective, so you're saying 'it's a fact this film is garbage' is complete rubbish. 'It's a film I wasn't keen on for these reasons' is more accurate.

BMMachine

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Fixed.

well if something needs to defend itself on being subjective to defend its quality then I think its already on really shaky ground in the first place

MilesMorales1

BMMachine wrote: »

well the big problem with this film is that it does nothing. It has the same resolutions as the last film and our crew barely go anywhere or barely get involved with anything connected to anything else. In long parts of this film its just boring, sitting around on Kurt Russell: The Planet waiting for the action to come to them. The film is riddled with too many characters and too much stuff going on which has little consequence. This is a problem directly tied into the main issue of the film doing nothing as there is a complete lack of focus on the main plot which is instead subsidised by telling and not showing, a cardinal sin and just makes you not care. There is (as with all the Disney films) a complete lack of sexuality and everyone seems to be walking around like they have been castrated, anything that would provide emotion or context in this way (such as Starlords relationship with Gomorrah) is once again - told, not shown. There is extremely little to grab onto in this film, so little context for anything and its absolutely wafer thin.

It does have pretty colours and a big FX budget and explosions happen and all that but Im sorry, that is so run of the mill for todays films - they all have this, it doesn't score points for having spent a lot of money. The film itself does know its weaknesses and is fully aware of them, otherwise it wouldnt be distracting you all the time with a baby tree or cracking wise - anything to stop you thinking. The villain was again terrible as is the way with all these Marvel films and there was no stakes we haven't heard of before, no connections other than a hamfisted one with no emotional content. This is why I believe it is a fact that this film is garbage in my opinion cos films are subjective. There is nothing to it and elicits no emotional response and is bad story telling (literally that, telling ). All the derpy, repeatable and easily set up jokes in the world and all the cutesy aliens acting stupid in the world won't solve those problems, though they do serve their purpose well in distracting away from them.

Honestly would have walked out of the cinema but it would have been rude (little did I know the person who I went with felt the exact same way and we could have avoided a lot of bother!)

2/10 (is that better than 1 out of 5?)

Fixed.

Optimalprimerib

Still more likely to happen than fast of the furious 8.

BMMachine

well the big problem with this film is that it does nothing. It has the same resolutions as the last film and our crew barely go anywhere or barely get involved with anything connected to anything else. In long parts of this film its just boring, sitting around on Kurt Russell: The Planet waiting for the action to come to them. The film is riddled with too many characters and too much stuff going on which has little consequence. This is a problem directly tied into the main issue of the film doing nothing as there is a complete lack of focus on the main plot which is instead subsidised by telling and not showing, a cardinal sin and just makes you not care. There is (as with all the Disney films) a complete lack of sexuality and everyone seems to be walking around like they have been castrated, anything that would provide emotion or context in this way (such as Starlords relationship with Gomorrah) is once again - told, not shown. There is extremely little to grab onto in this film, so little context for anything and its absolutely wafer thin.

It does have pretty colours and a big FX budget and explosions happen and all that but Im sorry, that is so run of the mill for todays films - they all have this, it doesn't score points for having spent a lot of money. The film itself does know its weaknesses and is fully aware of them, otherwise it wouldnt be distracting you all the time with a baby tree or cracking wise - anything to stop you thinking. The villain was again terrible as is the way with all these Marvel films and there was no stakes we haven't heard of before, no connections other than a hamfisted one with no emotional content. This is why I believe it is a fact that this film is garbage. There is nothing to it and elicits no emotional response and is bad story telling (literally that, telling ). All the derpy, repeatable and easily set up jokes in the world and all the cutesy aliens acting stupid in the world won't solve those problems, though they do serve their purpose well in distracting away from them.

Honestly would have walked out of the cinema but it would have been rude

(little did I know the person who I went with felt the exact same way and we could have avoided a lot of bother!)

2/10 (is that better than 1 out of 5?)

johnny_ultimate

BMMachine wrote: »

no its awful for a lot more reasons but I am not sure if Im allowed to talk about them. Im unsure if Im even allowed to post this and reply to you.

Feel free to talk about the reasons you dislike the film itself, as plenty of others have in this thread have. Hell I myself have barely a good word to say about quite a few of the Marvel films I've seen (I just don't bother watching them anymore).

Just please lay off the silly, thread-derailing "the film is **** and everyone who disagrees is wrong" schtick

BMMachine

FunLover18 wrote: »

You're allowed talk about reasons for not liking something, you're not allowed state your opinions as fact and then slate anyone who disagrees. It's pretty simple.

I can't respond to this in the way I'd like to as I'm pretty sure a mod will want to ban me for it based on previous experiences

FunLover18

You're allowed talk about reasons for not liking something, you're not allowed state your opinions as fact and then slate anyone who disagrees. It's pretty simple.

BMMachine

pjohnson wrote: »

"I dislike this, my personal tastes are important to me, therefore this is awful."

no its awful for a lot more reasons but I am not sure if Im allowed to talk about them. Im unsure if Im even allowed to post this and reply to you. My other posts on this thread talk about those reasons if you want to read them.
The film so far has made over $100million on its opening weekend now. Its a good racket

[Deleted User]

Ok they are annoying me now with horse head skeletons.
Bring him on or stop!!

(please bring him on)

Gbear

BMMachine wrote: »

Its just that this is crap and is getting the "oh its good!" treatment and getting away with being so god damn poor just like Rogue One, Jurassic World and a whole host of other new movies.

Did anyone argue that Rogue One and Jurassic World were good though?

They made a lot of money but in terms of doing that and getting generally solid critical acclaim, films like Guardians are a different kettle of fish.

This didn't feel like bland corporate goop, like Jurassic World, or cobbled together and stretched too thin like Rogue One.

It was well excecuted, it had a coherent plot, it had a good cast.
It seems like a low bar to make a film competently but when your main selling point is explosions, that's not as common as it should be among these big budget action-oriented films.

FunLover18

I loved the first but the crowbarring in of Thanos did absolutely nothing for me, in fact it really takes away from the film and completely fails to set up Thanos as a credible threat when you think about it. Ronan goes rogue and steals the infinity stone for himself and Thanos just sits in his chair doing F-all and then he just lets the Guardians deliver it to Nova Corps.

I loved Vol 2 (and actually prefer it to the first) because it lacks that MCU interconnectivity and is allowed to be its own thing (

I'm actually quite nervous about seeing these characters in Infinity War

). The fact that it doesn't have to worry about introducing the characters also really helps. We know who they are and we know their relationship to each other and it showed Gunn's confidence in that that he was able to separate the group but still have those bonds there during the final third. Nevertheless this is much more Peter's story than a Guardians story but that didn't bother me as the others still got their moments,

also Peter wouldn't have been able to defeat Ego without them

, and also Chris Pratt just knocked it out of the park.

The moments when he realises that Ego killed his mother and when Yondu dies are pitch perfect.

I completely agree with posters that some of the jokes don't land or are over-used but when the characterisation is so good I'm quite happy to overlook that. The story is thin (and admittedly doesn't hold much threat) but it serves its purpose and the characters' arcs are completed. Re lack of action; frankly I think Yondu's whistle-arrow is one of the coolest things in the MCU so that didn't bother me at all, I really enjoyed

Rocket taking out the Ravagers and while the final battle between Peter and Ego isn't the best I've ever seen, you could really feels Peter's rage

.

I loved it and I think it is a great film but what do I know, durpa derp.

marklazarcovic

Well I loved it and would go again,a great follow up,you can't expect to be blown away every time you see a film.

I usually take these movies as stand alones and not take stoylines very very seriously,makes it more enjoyable for me.