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Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2

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As is the table read
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Filming starts in February.

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Optimalprimerib

Still more likely to happen than fast of the furious 8.

MilesMorales1

BMMachine wrote: »

well the big problem with this film is that it does nothing. It has the same resolutions as the last film and our crew barely go anywhere or barely get involved with anything connected to anything else. In long parts of this film its just boring, sitting around on Kurt Russell: The Planet waiting for the action to come to them. The film is riddled with too many characters and too much stuff going on which has little consequence. This is a problem directly tied into the main issue of the film doing nothing as there is a complete lack of focus on the main plot which is instead subsidised by telling and not showing, a cardinal sin and just makes you not care. There is (as with all the Disney films) a complete lack of sexuality and everyone seems to be walking around like they have been castrated, anything that would provide emotion or context in this way (such as Starlords relationship with Gomorrah) is once again - told, not shown. There is extremely little to grab onto in this film, so little context for anything and its absolutely wafer thin.

It does have pretty colours and a big FX budget and explosions happen and all that but Im sorry, that is so run of the mill for todays films - they all have this, it doesn't score points for having spent a lot of money. The film itself does know its weaknesses and is fully aware of them, otherwise it wouldnt be distracting you all the time with a baby tree or cracking wise - anything to stop you thinking. The villain was again terrible as is the way with all these Marvel films and there was no stakes we haven't heard of before, no connections other than a hamfisted one with no emotional content. This is why I believe it is a fact that this film is garbage in my opinion cos films are subjective. There is nothing to it and elicits no emotional response and is bad story telling (literally that, telling ). All the derpy, repeatable and easily set up jokes in the world and all the cutesy aliens acting stupid in the world won't solve those problems, though they do serve their purpose well in distracting away from them.

Honestly would have walked out of the cinema but it would have been rude (little did I know the person who I went with felt the exact same way and we could have avoided a lot of bother!)

2/10 (is that better than 1 out of 5?)

Fixed.

BMMachine

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Fixed.

well if something needs to defend itself on being subjective to defend its quality then I think its already on really shaky ground in the first place

MilesMorales1

BMMachine wrote: »

well if something needs to defend itself on being subjective to defend its quality then I think its already on really shaky ground in the first place

Not really? Anything is subjective, so you're saying 'it's a fact this film is garbage' is complete rubbish. 'It's a film I wasn't keen on for these reasons' is more accurate.

BMMachine

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Not really? Anything is subjective, so you're saying 'it's a fact this film is garbage' is complete rubbish. 'It's a film I wasn't keen on for these reasons' is more accurate.

ok - why was this film good?

Optimalprimerib

BMMachine wrote: »

ok - why was this film good?

It was exactly what was expected, as it was for you. I took great joy from it as it was fun, funny and even emotional at times. Drax is so watchable, he's a great character.

MilesMorales1

BMMachine wrote: »

ok - why was this film good?

(All entirely in my opinion)

- Great music choices.
- Great atmosphere, cool irreverent off beat feeling, even if that feeling isn't as strong as it was with the first.
- Real great acting and character beats. Got me emotional, even if it did nothing for you. Drax and Rocket are excellent specially, and Yondu and Stallone were fab.
- Cool action, cool villain as well,

Ego

was a great choice.
- Looks amazing and bright and colourful.
- It was funny and easily passed the 6 laugh test.
- Confirmed a cool fan theory.
- Didn't feel a need to overload itself with connections to other MCU stuff or set up future sequels/related MCU films.

See, two people had two different reactions to the same film, isn't that mad.

Outkast_IRE

I would rate the movie a very good 8/10.

Nothing groundbreaking. More of the same really.

Positives -
Some very well directed and produced scenes. The opening action scene in particular was very impressive with how they handled groot etc.

Some great dialogue - Some Great Set Pieces - Some very fine performances from the actors (Rocket, Drax & Groot are particularily strong). Hugely enjoyable - frequent laughing and smiling all around at my viewing.

Once again loved the soundtrack.

Negatives -
It moves on with some the Guardians backstories but for whatever reason i never felt they were saving the galaxy ( Even though they were). it set out to be more of a backstory movie and it achieves that but i think i would of liked to of seen the overall Marvel Arc towards the end-game moved forward in some way.

Overly long final battle. - Same criticsim i made of Superman, some of the Ironmans, second Avengers etc. I dont think anybody wants a battle lasting 20mins or more. It just becomes a very obvious CGI fest.

Overall i would highly reccomened it - very enjoyable viewing.

A Neurotic

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

- Confirmed a cool fan theory.

What's that now?

MilesMorales1

A Neurotic wrote: »

What's that now?

In case you haven't seen it

Stan Lee being one of the Watchers, even if it was a dumb joke.

FunLover18

BMMachine wrote: »

ok - why was this film good?

Well, I can only tell you why I think it's good. You'll probably disagree.

I don't think this film does nothing. The focus of this movie isn't the plot, it's the characters and they are all developed to some degree. The familial bond between them is strengthened;

Peter learns to appreciate what family he has instead of focusing on the family he doesn't have, Gamora is so scarred by Thanos's "parenting" that she only ever saw Nebula as competition and never as a sister which gives us a massive insight into her character and explains why she's the one Guardian who's least likely to open up. Although Rocket could give her a run for her money and we see him learn in this film that while he may be the only one of his kind, he's not alone. We'll have to disagree about there being too many characters, not every one gets an arc but I think the film manages to balance them all so that none of them are underserved; even that small moment when Mantis touches Drax while he's remembering his daughter and she starts to cry, it's a lovely moment that shows Drax as much more than comic relief. I don't really understand your criticism about the 'lack of sexuality', there is very clearly sexual tension between Peter and Gamora which is poked fun at throughout, I wouldn't call it 'told not shown' at all. Mantis revealing Peter's feelings is clearly a joke used to demonstrate her gifts, his feelings towards her have been pretty clear since the original. Peter and Gamora have a conversation about it where Peter tries to address the issue and she tries to avoid it (which perfectly fits with her character), again I don't think that's done for the audience's sake. You must have a very low opinion of the people who like these movies if you think that characters talking about something is an example of telling not showing, are characters not allowed talk about anything? Also worth noting that the first time we meet Yondu in this film, he's in a brothel.

I agree with to some extent that the villain is weak, I wouldn't go so far as to say terrible, and the plot lacks stakes but Kurt Russell is great (and holy **** the de-aging in this was as near to perfect as Marvel have come so far) and when you have such a large cast to juggle with, I think Gunn is right to put priority on character rather than plot, this was the case in the original as well. So, you might think this is a major flaw, I think it's the film's strongest feature. It's almost like the whole thing is subjective

flazio

Nobody goes in to this expecting a Best Picture contender. It's just a bit of escapism for a couple of hours.
Personally I think the saddest scene is in the credits.

Teen Groot, why does Baby Groot have to grow up?

Nervous Wreck

flazio wrote: »

Nobody goes in to this expecting a Best Picture contender. It's just a bit of escapism for a couple of hours.
Personally I think the saddest scene is in the credits.
Teen Groot, why does Baby Groot have to grow up?

Because

Groot won't be much help against Thanos in Infinity War

, I'd reckon..!

Penn

GOTG2 in my opinion, has its flaws and doesn't reach the heights of the first one. But some of the criticism being levelled at it is laughable at best, even subjectively.

The film isn't trying to be Logan or The Dark Knight. It's trying to be a fun, entertaining, comedy action film with a relatively simple story and as much character development as a film like this should. It fleshes out some of the characters who didn't get a lot in the last film (Yondu, Nebula and even Rocket) and ties off the ends of stories set up by the main characters in the last film (Peter and his father, Gamora's relationship with Nebula, Drax moving on from his dead wife).

The film has its flaws, particularly with the action scenes and some of the comedy was overdone... but a 2/10? Jesus Christ... Hell I hated Batman V Superman for the most part and I'd still give it at least a 5.

pjohnson

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Because
Babydave06@gmail.com Groot won't be much help against Thanos in Infinity War
, I'd reckon..!

Babydave06@gmail.com your autocorrect went bonkers.

Nervous Wreck

Ha!

Cienciano

I think we can all agree on one thing. It wasn't as good as the first. Not thats not necessarily a bad thing, the first was very good.
I don't have any problems with the story in general, I just think a bit of the jokes in this one were a bit forced, they need to lay off Dax laughing at unfunny stuff, that was way overdone. The pac-man thing at the end was absolutely terrible. A few scenes at that big fight at the end weren't great.

But definitely a good movie worth watching. I wouldn't be buying the bluray, but I'd still recommend people to watch it.

MilesMorales1

Cienciano wrote: »

I think we can all agree on one thing. It wasn't as good as the first. Not thats not necessarily a bad thing, the first was very good.
I don't have any problems with the story in general, I just think a bit of the jokes in this one were a bit forced, they need to lay off Dax laughing at unfunny stuff, that was way overdone. The pac-man thing at the end was absolutely terrible. A few scenes at that big fight at the end weren't great.

But definitely a good movie worth watching. I wouldn't be buying the bluray, but I'd still recommend people to watch it.

It definitely wasn't. The first was such a surprise and all, and trying to do the same thing (or at least a very similar thing) just wasn't going to work as well.

I thought the most emotional bits were

Yondu's funeral (Stallone!) and when Drax was talking about his family to Mantis, and although he was talking about it happily, she could sense the sadness coming from him.

[Deleted User]

OK; even with its flaws, how many posts here are talking about its feels? What other comic book film lately had people really discussing that?

MilesMorales1

Deleted User wrote: »

OK; even with its flaws, how many posts here are talking about its feels? What other comic book film lately had people really discussing that?

Logan did, I thought. Didn't get that from Doctor Strange or Suicide Squad/BvS though.

[Deleted User]

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Logan did, I thought. Didn't get that from Doctor Strange or Suicide Squad/BvS though.

Good call but Logan was specifically written with that in mind, and yeah I was more thinking of MCU and DC
Guardians is pure comedy but developing real feelings towards the characters

BMMachine

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

(All entirely in my opinion)

- Great music choices.
- Great atmosphere, cool irreverent off beat feeling, even if that feeling isn't as strong as it was with the first.
- Real great acting and character beats. Got me emotional, even if it did nothing for you. Drax and Rocket are excellent specially, and Yondu and Stallone were fab.
- Cool action, cool villain as well,
Ego
was a great choice.
- Looks amazing and bright and colourful.
- It was funny and easily passed the 6 laugh test.
- Confirmed a cool fan theory.
- Didn't feel a need to overload itself with connections to other MCU stuff or set up future sequels/related MCU films.

See, two people had two different reactions to the same film, isn't that mad.

We have very different ideas on what 'good' and 'great' are.
If thats good and great, so are the Transformers films. There is very little difference between them. The biggest difference being that Transformers is overtly sleazy and sexist but hey, at least people in Transformers have some sort of sexuality, even if it is the most horrible kind.

A word on comedy though:
(spoilers - will be dipping in and out) So the best gag in the film is the 'Mary Poppins' joke towards the end and it goes to a character thats about to die. It helps get that character on your side and in a film which isn't primarily a comedy, this is a great way of breaking through tension and making characters approachable and on the side of the audience. So this works very well here with the character and context in question.

Now where this film doesn't hold up in that regard, is it just overloads on one type with Drax. Where yeah, he does have some good lines, there is just so much forceful bluntness that doesn't go anywhere or serve any purpose - it does nothing for the character later and its just there for it to be this characters thing. Other characters do have moments, but again its consistently one of two jokes - 80s references or 'oh no you didn't'. Because of the severe lack of weight in the characters - Rocket, Drax, Gamorrah, Groot - its more just done to either pass time or to shield from their complete lack of character. Starlord gets a few chuckles but there is so little going on (all told, not shown) that once again it just feels blunt and distracting.

This films biggest crime is that it has so much opportunity to go somewhere, go on an adventure with fun characters but instead we sit on Kurt Russell: The Planet and crack wise while shoving a load of inane sh*t thats of no consequence into the film to make up for its lack of any actual real substance. But hey, millions of dollars and thousands of fans can't be wrong, just like Michael Bay wasn't wrong and makes money hand over fist. Thats where we are, Michael Bay won

Nervous Wreck

BMMachine wrote: »

We have very different ideas on what 'good' and 'great' are.

I believe that's exactly the point. :rolleyes:

BMMachine

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I believe that's exactly the point. :rolleyes:

so what IS good and great?

this is where the problem really lies isn't it. And its definitely what I have the most issues with. I firmly believe that through modern communications there has become a mass distortion of reality and that how people identify themselves through culture, politics, society etc has become a lot more personal and I do not believe that is to the benefit of humanity - case in point: politics right now. And I think its the same for the film world. But I digress, probably a conversation for another forum or whatever and I am unsure of how much depth Im allowed to go into that kind of thing here but I would certainly like to converse about it more

[Deleted User]

BMMachine wrote: »

so what IS good and great? this is where the problem really lies isn't it. And its definitely what I have the most issues with. I firmly believe that through modern communications there has become a mass distortion of reality and that how people identify themselves through culture, politics, society etc has become a lot more personal and I do not believe that is to the benefit of humanity - case in point: politics right now. And I think its the same for the film world. But I digress, probably a conversation for another forum or whatever and I am unsure of how much depth Im allowed to go into that kind of thing here but I would certainly like to converse about it more

Oh holy ****, we get it. You don't like the film,

Avatar MIA

Just back from watching. Really enjoyed it. Possibly best ever opening sequence (when we first see Groot) to a movie.

pjohnson

BMMachine wrote: »

We have very different ideas on what 'good' and 'great' are.
If thats good and great, so are the Transformers films. There is very little difference between them. The biggest difference being that Transformers is overtly sleazy and sexist but hey, at least people in Transformers have some sort of sexuality, even if it is the most horrible kind.

A word on comedy though:
(spoilers - will be dipping in and out) So the best gag in the film is the 'Mary Poppins' joke towards the end and it goes to a character thats about to die. It helps get that character on your side and in a film which isn't primarily a comedy, this is a great way of breaking through tension and making characters approachable and on the side of the audience. So this works very well here with the character and context in question.

Now where this film doesn't hold up in that regard, is it just overloads on one type with Drax. Where yeah, he does have some good lines, there is just so much forceful bluntness that doesn't go anywhere or serve any purpose - it does nothing for the character later and its just there for it to be this characters thing. Other characters do have moments, but again its consistently one of two jokes - 80s references or 'oh no you didn't'. Because of the severe lack of weight in the characters - Rocket, Drax, Gamorrah, Groot - its more just done to either pass time or to shield from their complete lack of character. Starlord gets a few chuckles but there is so little going on (all told, not shown) that once again it just feels blunt and distracting.

This films biggest crime is that it has so much opportunity to go somewhere, go on an adventure with fun characters but instead we sit on Kurt Russell: The Planet and crack wise while shoving a load of inane sh*t thats of no consequence into the film to make up for its lack of any actual real substance. But hey, millions of dollars and thousands of fans can't be wrong, just like Michael Bay wasn't wrong and makes money hand over fist. Thats where we are, Michael Bay won

I think we all know you are a Michael Bay fan at this point.

Blazer

Saw it last night and really enjoyed it. I don't expect much from Marvel movies anymore and just go with the flow.

Penn

BMMachine wrote: »

so what IS good and great? this is where the problem really lies isn't it. And its definitely what I have the most issues with. I firmly believe that through modern communications there has become a mass distortion of reality and that how people identify themselves through culture, politics, society etc has become a lot more personal and I do not believe that is to the benefit of humanity - case in point: politics right now. And I think its the same for the film world. But I digress, probably a conversation for another forum or whatever and I am unsure of how much depth Im allowed to go into that kind of thing here but I would certainly like to converse about it more

Dude, it's a film featuring a talking raccoon, a tiny tree monster and a planet who can turn into a person.

Yeah, the film should have some substance and character development behind it, and I believe this film does. But you're clearly expecting something from this film that it was never going to even try to hit let alone whether or not it achieved it.

Films can, and in many cases should, just be fun and entertaining.

thebostoncrab

I'm sorry, but why the hell are there so many posts referencing the lack of sexuality in the film? It's a Disney film that is going to attract a lot of families to it, what do you expect!?!

The whole Marvel vs Transformers argument in terms of why one gets a pass when some lump them together as "the same" is something I had a chat about only recently. The difference between Marvel's films and the drivel Michael Bay pushes out is that Marvel does spend the time fleshing out its charterers to have geniue heart and depth. Is it on the level of something like Room or Moonlight? Of course not, but it doesn't need to be because these are not the same type of films. We get enough to care about the characters and their goals. You also don't have the same obsession with racist stereotypes, sexist casting and roles, and too much cgi to focus on what's actually happening like you do with Mr. Bay, THATS why you are wrong to say "Oh if this is good then Transformers is a masterpiece because they are the same thing."

/rant.

Onto the film. I thought it was good. It didn't blow me away or have the same magic of the first film, but that's ok; not every film I see needs to be excellent and there is nothing wrong with something being good. I was entertained, the jokes landed for the most part, the action worked and I got more backstory for the crew, more than I thought I would considering the size of the cast.

I think what prevented it from reaching the heights of the first flick is that it just seemed a little more "cruel" rather than having the charming anti-hero vibe of the first GOTG. Peter in particular seemed like more of a real asshole rather than the chancer we got originally. Like when we spoke to Rocket it did seem to go too far, or when he attempts to catch up Gamora it seemed more frat boyish rather than charming like he was in the first film. It's a little thing on the outside, but it really made me look at him differently.

If I was to score the film I'd give it a 6.5/10. It's a good film, I enjoyed myself but it just missed the charm and magic that we know it could reach.

If you're putting it between other MCU films in terms of ranking, I'd say it's better than Captain America: The First Avenger but just behind Doctor Strange.