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Russian and alt-right Interference in democracies.

demfad

https://thinkprogress.org/russian-interference-in-elections-around-the-world-is-spreading-a6b1e3c78c8#.63n4svnl4
U.S intelligence agencies believe the Kremlin may have influenced the recent U.S presidential election by hacking the DNCs email system.
The same phenomenon is occuring in Europe with German and Italian leaders now having to fight off fake news and wikileaks hacks. In Italy little has been done to disguise the fact that anti Renzi and pro 5 star fake news was originating on Sputnik and other pro Russian propaganda sites.

In France, Juppe who was hot favourite to top Sarko and Fillon for the right nomination slumped in the final week after a fake news story linking him to the Muslim brotherhood from 2014 re-emerged embellished. The result was that in a major European nuclear power the presidential election will be between Fillon who is hugely pro Putin and social conservative and Marine Le Pen.

In the US there is evidence of a tsunami of pre Trump fake news facebook sites originating from the same town in Macedonia. Source

On Twitter non human and human Russian bots were significantly involved in trending popular stories and posters during the U.S. election. Key hashtags were retweeted by self deleting accounts until they were picked up by a high profile alt-right poster and then trended. The St Petersburg human troll factory were majorly involved also.
Source. These trolls were active during Brexit also.

That brings us to alt-right influence:
In Europe Putin has funded almost every ultra-right group on the continent including La Front Nationale to the tune of over €10 million. Since Marine Le Pen endorsed the Crimean plebiscite she has been in Moscow several times. These right wing groups set up 'election' organisations to validate the Crimean result. Farage has been offered a slow on RT (formerly Russia Today).

The money and influence behind Trumps campaign is Rebekah Mercer. Source: Kelly Anne Conway and particularly Steve Bannon are long time associates. Her Father Robert Mercer made his fortune using algorythms to make money on and for hedge funds. They were a big donor to Breitbart news. R Mercer sponsored Bannon and co to produce Clintons cash by a company in the same building as Breitbart. A Mercer company 'Cambridge Analytic' was the pollng company for Trumps campaign and crunched Facebooks habits of millions of users. Bannon is on the board of Cambridge Analytica. Farage is a long time frind and acquantance of Baonnon. Cambridge did the polling for the Leave.eu campaign. Raheem Kassam Farage's chief advisor was editor for Breitbart news London. He went for UKIPs leadership recently. Breitbart France is neing stup to help Marine Le Pen. No doubt Cambridge analytica will make an appearance there, as will the half truths, fake news and troll army that the Kremlin/Alt-right seem to employ.
The common ideology between Putin/Alt-right is proclaimed to be anti-globalisation but is really anti-liberalism. You see it in Putins/Russian Orthodox attacks on the LGBT community and women. The White house cabinet set up by Trump/Mercer/Bannon is similar.
The EU is the prize and it can only be taken down by targetting individual countries to leave.
Do you agree that this subversion of democratic election exists? What can the EU, governments, concerned citizens do to fight it?
This is not an attack on any ideology, rather the methods some ideologies are using to subvert elections.

Edit: Method of Russian twitter bots in US election and to a lesser extend Brexit.
http://heatst.com/world/how-russias-twitter-bots-and-trolls-work-with-donald-trump-campaign-accounts/

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Billy86

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

There are no articles NOW about "interference" in the elections mentioned above. Like I said a few days ago:

All those articles prepared in advance about "Russian interference" can now be shredded. Its looking like Macron will win round two!

I just did a really quick search from the last 24 hours:
http://www.politico.eu/article/france-election-2017-russia-hacked-cyberattacks/
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-eyes-russian-meddling-french-presidential-campaign-n748541
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/imf-abandons-anti-protectionism-pledge/

And the last week:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/20/france-concerned-over-russian-interference-in-elections-amid-reports-hacking-fake-news.html
https://news.vice.com/story/marine-le-pen-france-far-right-russias
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/world/europe/french-election-russia.html?_r=0
http://www.salon.com/2017/04/20/russias-shadow-war-in-a-wary-europe_partner/
http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/hacking/fears-of-russian-disinformation-in-upcoming-election-in-uk-france/news-story/42fb4649b834f3bdcda0e43e45f9257c

red ears

The yanks have been interfering in elections for generations so what if Russia was doing the same. Especially in the American election. They would deserve it.

demfad

red ears wrote: »

The yanks have been interfering in elections for generations so what if Russia was doing the same. Especially in the American election. They would deserve it.

Do all the other countries that Russia has/is interfering with deserve their democracies to be destroyed?
Will we deserve it if Putin's low lifes find a way to smear Macron and LePen pulls France out of the EU, eventually destroying the Irish economy? Will our kids deserve that?
You have a Russian dictator playing games to keep himself enriched and in power. The west needs reform. That cant happen until Putin stops interfering.
The west needs to treat Russia as the USSR. Total sanctions until Putin is gone. Otherwise the world is heading for war.

PopePalpatine

Speaking of Putin's (or Bannon's, Spencer's, Damigo's, Robert Fisher's etc.) low-lifes finding a way to smear Macron...

Harika

demfad wrote: »

Do all the other countries that Russia has/is interfering with deserve their democracies to be destroyed?

Is there a double standard, as when US is interfering in EU/UK it is good or when Germany was speaking against Brexit is this now acceptable or not?

demfad

Harika wrote: »

Is there a double standard, as when US is interfering in EU/UK it is good or when Germany was speaking against Brexit is this now acceptable or not?

OK. Germany publicly saying that they feel Brexit is bad for the EU and UK. Perfectly legitimate. It affects Germany.

Russia hacking people and parties, blackmailing them and political leaders to manipulate them, creating fake news stories, using propaganda sites propagating them through SM trolls faking local accounts etc etc. This involves illegality and criminality.

Not legitimate no matter who does it. I don't condone the US acting this way.

I will be biased and say that I would favour whichever side keeps Europe from war. That is not Russia.

blackpearl

demfad wrote: »

Do all the other countries that Russia has/is interfering with deserve their democracies to be destroyed?
Will we deserve it if Putin's low lifes find a way to smear Macron and LePen pulls France out of the EU, eventually destroying the Irish economy? Will our kids deserve that?
You have a Russian dictator playing games to keep himself enriched and in power. The west needs reform. That cant happen until Putin stops interfering.
The west needs to treat Russia as the USSR. Total sanctions until Putin is gone. Otherwise the world is heading for war.

What about usa interfering in the middle east bush and blair should of been tried for war crimes over the iraq war ,they were the cause of isis but thank god for putin he put it up to them ,the usa caused nothing but trouble all over south america with their proxie goverements thank god they were trown out ,and as their support for the jews that is a crying shame a sin .

hatrickpatrick

The double standard can be seen incredibly starkly when one considers that Wikileaks were the heroes of the Dems in the US when they were exposing banks, republicans, the US military, etc. Now that they're also exposing the Dems' dirty laundry, many on the Dems' side (I hesitate to say "the left" because in my view this election has laid bare that the Dems are divided into leftists, AKA Sanders supporters, and third way neoliberals, AKA Clinton supporters) are now calling them shills, foreign intelligence, etc etc etc.

I find it absolutely ridiculous how the so-called "left" has jumped all over neo-McCarthyism now that it suits them - it's totally pathetic. Regardless of who hacked John Podesta, for instance, unless the emails were forged then it's Clinton's fault and nobody else's that she justifies saying one thing in public and another in private, and that she is "to the right of Obama" when it comes to indiscriminate surveillance. The Dem establishment and others try to make this about the process of the leaks (who leaked it, what laws were broken, who does it benefit etc) - anything to distract from the content.

Given that they had no such troubles when Wikileaks was blowing the whistle on ACTA, US Military attacks on journalists (under the Bush regime) etc etc etc, I for one find it utterly pathetic.

InTheTrees

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The double standard can be seen incredibly starkly when one considers that Wikileaks were the heroes of the Dems in the US when they...

If there's no double standard from Wikileaks then lets see trumps tax returns.

Lets see some stuff on the russian leadership.

Wikileaks has lost all credibility because they're taking sides.

BuilderPlumber

France = Le Pen.
Iran = Ebrahim Raisi.
UK = UKIP.

All set up by America and/or Russia for their interests and sadly all 3 want to mess up their own countries in the process.

demfad

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The double standard can be seen incredibly starkly when one considers that Wikileaks were the heroes of the Dems in the US when they were exposing banks, republicans, the US military, etc. Now that they're also exposing the Dems' dirty laundry, many on the Dems' side (I hesitate to say "the left" because in my view this election has laid bare that the Dems are divided into leftists, AKA Sanders supporters, and third way neoliberals, AKA Clinton supporters) are now calling them shills, foreign intelligence, etc etc etc.
I find it absolutely ridiculous how the so-called "left" has jumped all over neo-McCarthyism now that it suits them - it's totally pathetic. Regardless of who hacked John Podesta, for instance, unless the emails were forged then it's Clinton's fault and nobody else's that she justifies saying one thing in public and another in private, and that she is "to the right of Obama" when it comes to indiscriminate surveillance. The Dem establishment and others try to make this about the process of the leaks (who leaked it, what laws were broken, who does it benefit etc) - anything to distract from the content.

Given that they had no such troubles when Wikileaks was blowing the whistle on ACTA, US Military attacks on journalists (under the Bush regime) etc etc etc, I for one find it utterly pathetic.

There is a counter-Intelligence investigation by the FBI into the the Donald Trump presidential campaign. That is not neo-mccarthyism, do you understand this?
The US DOJ is preparing to issue an arrest warrant for Assange. Even Mike Pompeo Trump's head of CIA who praised Assange during the campaign now calls wikileaks a hostile actor for Russia.
There is no neo-mccarthyism, only a lot of disinformation as evidenced in your post above.

demfad

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/world/europe/macron-russian-hacking.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Security researchers at the cybersecurity firm, Trend Micro, said that on March 15 they spotted a hacking group they believe to be a Russian intelligence unit turn its weapons on Mr. Macronâ€™s campaign â€” sending emails to campaign officials and others with links to fake websites designed to bait them into turning over passwords.

The group began registering several decoy internet addresses last month and as recently as April 15, naming one onedrive-en-marche.fr and another mail-en-marche.fr to mimic the name of Mr. Macronâ€™s political party, En Marche.

Those websites were registered to a block of web addresses that Trend Microâ€™s researchers say belong to the Russian intelligence unit they refer to as Pawn Storm, but is alternatively known as Fancy Bear, APT 28 or the Sofacy Group. American and European intelligence agencies and American private security researchers determined that the group was responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee last year.

Method:

Hack Macron campaign
Publish anything embarrasing on Wikileaks
or on Facebook (possibly via cambridge analytica)
Where possible use information to blackmail vulnerable Macron Staff into supplying more damaging information.
Use the massive Russian botnet troll army to amplify any dirt around social media.
Tie up media covering leaks to divert from damaging FN stories eg holocaust deniers etc.

Hank Scorpio

demfad wrote: »

Even Mike Pompeo Trump's head of CIA who praised Assange during the campaign now calls wikileaks a hostile actor for Russia.

He called them a non state intelligence agency who were hostile to the US ( Think Vault 7 ).

You should probably get your facts right ( as shown below and what I've been saying all along, apparently to deaf ears ) and stop listening to the loons on msnbc who frequently suggest Putin told Assad to gas his own people.

They don't know how Wikileaks got the emails, they don't know when, and they don't know who was the source.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/856735098175180800

johnp001

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

He called them a non state intelligence agency who were hostile to the US ( Think Vault 7 ).

You should probably get your facts right ( as shown below and what I've been saying all along, apparently to deaf ears ) and stop listening to the loons on msnbc who frequently suggest Putin told Assad to gas his own people.

They don't know how Wikileaks got the emails, they don't know when, and they don't know who was the source.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/856735098175180800

This is Julian Assange on the Ron Paul Liberty Report explaining the significance of the non state intelligence "classification"

Billy86

If Assange were interested in honesty and truth, he'd have been in the US over two months ago.

BalcombeSt4

demfad wrote: »

https://thinkprogress.org/russian-interference-in-elections-around-the-world-is-spreading-a6b1e3c78c8#.63n4svnl4
U.S intelligence agencies believe the Kremlin may have influenced the recent U.S presidential election by hacking the DNCs email system.

http://heatst.com/world/how-russias-twitter-bots-and-trolls-work-with-donald-trump-campaign-accounts/

Wowwwwwwwwwww,, I have just realised.....We are just so lucky, so, so, so lucky that the United States of America has never interfered in an election ever in its history.

Well apart from interfering in elections in every part of the globe, but other than that, so lucky.

Elmer Blooker

I'm still waiting for the "evidence" how Russia persuaded approximately 32 million Americans to vote for Trump.

Hank Scorpio

johnp001 wrote: »

This is Julian Assange on the Ron Paul Liberty Report explaining the significance of the non state intelligence "classification"

Yeah I watched it earlier, learned nothing new though. It's always the same questions and answers. Love Ron Paul, and his son is doing great work too imo.

Hank Scorpio

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the "evidence" how Russia persuaded approximately 32 million Americans to vote for Trump.

You'll never get it, all you'll get is muh Russia fed by the salivating liberal media hysteria. There's no substance just garbled fallacies like that what's been repeated in this thread over and over. They won't accept they lost the social media war because of Trumps online presence ( Muh Russian bots ) and they certainly won't accept Wikileaks publishes whatever it receives ( Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia ). Anything and everything to makes excuses for Trumps victory.

I've been turned off by Trump lately, the CIA or whoever else have won that war, but it was fun for a while. I will however, continue to support Wikileaks.

InTheTrees

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia

The investigations are still going on.

You're that confidant that there was no laws broken?

Hank Scorpio

InTheTrees wrote: »

The investigations are still going on.

You're that confidant that there was no laws broken?

I was talking about Wikileaks and the email releases where people like to brand them as a Russian front when Clapper, Comey and Obama said there was no evidence of that.

If you meant Trump I think it's possible laws were broken by people connected to him, Flynn never disclosed foreign payments etc. I don't believe there's some big conspiracy going on and Trump masterminded a coverup.

demfad

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

( Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia ).

This is a bald faced lie. Can you please substantiate this comment or else perhaps remove it and stop spreading disinformation?

demfad

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the "evidence" how Russia persuaded approximately 32 million Americans to vote for Trump.

Read the Steele dossier. Most of it has been verified by US intelligence now.
Also explain 8-10 of the Trump campaign and admin lying about contacts to Russian officials and spies.
There is also a counterintelligence investigation into coordination between Trump campaign and Russia as well as two congress investigations. That's not counting the DOJ investigation into the NY FBI, the Pentagon and ethics committee investigation into General Flynn. Last week the WH refused point blank to supply requested information on this matter to the Ethics committee.
There is loads more. Plenty of evidence just no proof yet: wait for impeachment trial and after indictments.
What really irks me is that guys like you can continually come on here and break a thread for hours by posting saying black is white, forcing genuine users to be derailed to refute you.

Chips Lovell

Hi folks,
Can I remind everyone what the charter says with regard to allegations of lying:

Allegations of lying are taken very seriously. Simply calling someone a liar is not acceptable without proof, the onus is on you to provide the proof that they are deliberately and intentionally trying to deceive.

Billy86

Not sure if it's referring to the Trump admin lying about contact with Russia, but there have been a number of them - it's the reason why Jeff Sessions has had to recuse himself from all investigations also. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/trump-teams-many-many-denials-contacts-russia/98625780/

There are a whole bunch of them, closest to Trump being his own son in law - http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/democratic-rep-jared-kushner-committed-perjury-by-lying-on-his-fbi-disclosure-forms/

Perhaps the most comical has been Carter Page, whom an FSB agent correctly labeled an idiot, his interview with Anderson Cooper a few weeks back is pure gold - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ZcZ7s-3O8

weisses

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the "evidence" how Russia persuaded approximately 32 million Americans to vote for Trump.

Its still an ongoing investigation

A Senate Judiciary subcommittee says it will hear testimony in May from former acting attorney general Sally Yates, who was fired in the early days of the Trump administration, and James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence under President Barack Obama. The May 8 open hearing will be the first opportunity for the public to hear Yates' account of her role in the firing of Trump's first national security adviser, Michael Flynn.

http://time.com/4754803/donald-trump-russia-investigation-momentum/

Or do you expect boards members to investigate ?

weisses

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

( Comey. Obama, Clapper said no ties to Russia ).

That is not entirely true

Clapper said

This could have unfolded or become available in the time since I left the government.,” Clapper replied, “but at the time I – we had no evidence of such collusion

What did Comey said in regards to Russian interference with the elections ?

demfad

weisses wrote: »

That is not entirely true

Clapper said

What did Comey said in regards to Russian interference with the elections ?

He said the below:

From the House Intel hearing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/full-transcript-fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/?utm_term=.eeff61bc1578

SCHIFF: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I just want to follow up with a few questions about Roger Stone that I had started with earlier before I passed it to my colleagues. Director Comey, are you aware that Roger Stone played a role in the Trump campaign?

COMEY: I'm not going to talk about any particular person here today, Mr. Schiff.

SCHIFF: I'm going to continue to ask these questions because among other things, I want to make sure you are aware of these facts whether you're able to comment on them political dirty tricks?

COMEY: I'll give you the same answer, sir..........

SCHIFF: This is a question I think you can answer. Do you know whether the Russian intelligence service has dealt directly with WikiLeaks or whether they too used an intermediary?

COMEY: We assessed they used some kind of cutout. They didn't deal directly with WikiLeaks. In contrast to D.C. Leaks and Guccifer 2.0.

SCHIFF: In early October, are you aware that Mr. Stone tweeted I have total confidence that my hero, Julian Assange will educate the American people soon. Are you aware of that tweet?

COMEY: I'm back to my original same answer.

SCHIFF: And are you aware that it was only days later that WikiLeaks released the Podesta e-mails?

COMEY: Same answer.

SCHIFF: I'm going to yield now to Mr. Himes.

Comey said they used a 'cutout' (intermediary). At no point did he say there was no evidence of collusion.
Comey doesn't answer the question about Roger Stone (hinting at the fact that he was the potential intermediary.)

None of these implies that Comey said there was no links between Wikileaks and Russia. Same with Clapper, Obama and anyone else.

Such a statement is a fabrication.

Hank Scorpio

Muh Russia. Anything Stone said Wikileaks made public on their twitter feed beforehand and he repeated it, and he's kept repeating it and appearing on TV for more book sales. Complete calamity and dexterity towards confirmation bias and Stone more than anyone has played people like a fiddle. Go check the time lines.

Hank Scorpio

weisses wrote: »

That is not entirely true

Clapper said

What did Comey said in regards to Russian interference with the elections ?

Yeah, let's keep trying to prove negatives. All three said ( three being Clapper, Obama, Comey ) they have no insight into Wikileaks and the publications, I.E they don't know how they got the documents.

Here's an actual question worth debating, why did the DNC hand their server to a ( now somewhat discredited ) third party and not let the FBI investigate it?