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Had it confirmed by Nissan Ireland , 2018 leaf will debut with 40 kWh battery !

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Water John

If they offer two battery sizes, should this cause a major differential in price?

Soarer

Well they're not offering the 24 in the UK anymore, all you can get is the 30.

So I'd imagine that'll be their base model at €25k.
Then maybe a 40kWh at €30ish.
And maybe a 50kWh+ version for rich people like cros13!

grogi

Soarer wrote: »

So what do we reckon on pricing?

Surely it can't be (much) more than the current model? I mean, if it's €35k after grants, that'd be bring it very close to a Tesla, and €10k more than an Ioniq!

We yet have to see how cheap the Tesla will be...

IMHO they will get much more price pressure from Ampera-e - which is now listed on opel.ie site

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

So I'd imagine that'll be their base model at €25k.
Then maybe a 40kWh at €30ish.

I'd say that's pretty much exactly what they should be at. I expect and fear both to be a couple of grand higher though RRP

Gumbo

Soarer wrote: »

Well they're not offering the 24 in the UK anymore, all you can get is the 30.

So I'd imagine that'll be their base model at €25k.
Then maybe a 40kWh at €30ish.
And maybe a 50kWh+ version for rich people like cros13!

I think the 40kw battery should be the entry point.
With the Ioniq and the Zoe, and by then the Tesla, Nissan seriously need to introduce this with maybe 50kwh battery as an upgrade option.

cros13

As far as I've gathered. 30kWh was intended to be the entry level battery of three battery options for the new Leaf until the Bolt was unveiled.

Then plans changed with the additional factors of financial support from the french government to help with a low cost EV, the inability to break into the chinese market, AESC being out-matched by LG Chem etc. etc.

[Deleted User]

The Ampera-E isn't being sold in RHD, so why is it on the Irish Opel site ? Unless PSA have other plans ?

grogi

Deleted User wrote: »

The Ampera-E isn't being sold in RHD, so why is it on the Irish Opel site ? Unless PSA have other plans ?

I know the above - and that's why I find it interesting.

cros13

They copy pasted the general Opel press release before the official announcement was made that it won't be RHD.

Soarer

cros13 wrote: »

As far as I've gathered. 30kWh was intended to be the entry level battery of three battery options for the new Leaf until the Bolt was unveiled.

Then plans changed with the additional factors of financial support from the french government to help with a low cost EV, the inability to break into the chinese market, AESC being out-matched by LG Chem etc. etc.

So does that mean a lower entry level price for the 30kWh?
Or a bigger capacity battery at the entry level price?
Or neither?
Or both??

I need answers!!!!!!!

isnottheword

What's the chances they can make up some of the ground in terms of efficiency of power usage (rather than battery size) as per the ioniq?

cros13

Soarer wrote: »

So does that mean a lower entry level price for the 30kWh?
Or a bigger capacity battery at the entry level price?

The idea was a lower entry price... But that may not be happening at all because Nissan/Renault will have an entry level EV below the Leaf.

isnottheword wrote: »

What's the chances they can make up some of the ground in terms of efficiency of power usage (rather than battery size) as per the ioniq?

Some of the ground... sure. All of the ground ... hell no, not with that body shape.

KCross

The pics of the new Micra on nissan.ie look very similar to the mule pics earlier in this thread of the supposed Leaf II.

The Micra alloys seem to be lifted from the current Leaf SVE.

Is Leaf II just going to be a slightly larger version of this Micra? I'd say it will look pretty similar to the Micra, as manufacturers tend to have the same look/feel across their range.

cros13

KCross wrote: »

The pics of the new Micra on nissan.ie look very similar to the mule pics earlier in this thread of the supposed Leaf II.

That's because they are both based on related concept cars... the Sway and the IDS. It's the new "Nissan Look".

KCross wrote: »

Is Leaf II just going to be a slightly larger version of this Micra? I'd say it will look pretty similar to the Micra, as manufacturers tend to have the same look/feel across their range.

Actually... the new Micra and Renault Zoe share a common platform and Nissan have talked about the BEV Micra being the cheaper EV slotting in below the Leaf.
The Micra is built in the same factory as the Zoe in France.

The Leaf Mk2 is a totally different platform from the Micra.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

The Leaf Mk2 is a totally different platform from the Micra.

So do you think Leaf II will look very different to the Micra or are you only referring to drivetrain?

cros13

Superficially similar... but that's all. Although the Leaf Mk.2 is based on the current Leaf (Nissan EV Platform) which is a modified Juke/NV200 (B0) platform which is a stretched version of the Nissan B platform that the Clio/Zoe/Micra are built on.

The Clio, new Micra and Zoe are all practically the same car and all built on the same production line.... literally. That's a much much closer relationship than being based on a platform that's based on a platform that's based on a platform... if you follow.

Mope

Watched an episode of FullyCharged on youtube today, they mentioned Leaf quite few times and also, what caught my attention, is Zoe Sport. Little, very fast hot hatch :-]

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Is Leaf II just going to be a slightly larger version of this Micra?

Well Leaf I was a slightly larger version of the previous Micra, wasn't it?

n97 mini

Met a chap who works for Nissan. 40kw in Feb followed by a 60kw towards end of the year. Chademo.

Didn't read much of this thread, so apologies if it's a repeat.

Fiskar

n97 mini wrote: »

Met a chap who works for Nissan. 40kw in Feb followed by a 60kw towards end of the year. Chademo.

Didn't read much of this thread, so apologies if it's a repeat.

Wow, that should give it some range if it is 60 Kw. The Ioniq is only a mere 28Kwh. Bring it on.

Soarer

Even a 40kWh battery with an improvement in efficiency would make a massive jump.

[Deleted User]

Nissan better have more power, and faster charging capability or I'm done with the leaf, 40 Kwh and a little bit different body just ain't going to cut it with me.

Evd-Burner

Deleted User wrote: »

Nissan better have more power, and faster charging capability or I'm done with the leaf, 40 Kwh and a little bit different body just ain't going to cut it with me.

If they have 40kw usable with the same efficiency as the Ioniq my mum would likely go with it. That's like 285km real world range and probably 320km with the way she drives! 60kw would be better but it will likely be an expensive option!

unkel

Evd-Burner wrote: »

If they have 40kw usable with the same efficiency as the Ioniq

That's not gonna happen. It would need a coefficient of drag of 0.24 (best in the world, only Tesla Model S and Ioniq have it) and with the general shape of the car it won't get near that

Wonder about the price. If the base model can be had on the road for under €30k, it should sell. Particularly now that the waiting times for Ioniq are ridiculously long

grogi

unkel wrote: »

That's not gonna happen. It would need a coefficient of drag of 0.24 (best in the world, only Tesla Model S and Ioniq have it) and with the general shape of the car it won't get near that

Wonder about the price. If the base model can be had on the road for under €30k, it should sell. Particularly now that the waiting times for Ioniq are ridiculously long

You really like how awesome your Ioniq is, don't you?

Ci is just a part of that equation here, frontal surface area being the second. The Leaf is primarily less efficient because it is taller (and more spacious inside) by 10cm.

unkel

Someone wondered if the new Leaf is going to be as efficient as the Ioniq. My opinion is it will not be. Do you believe I'm wrong?

And did you read my post? I did not criticise the Leaf but I did criticise the Ioniq (delivery)

Orebro

grogi wrote: »

You really like how awesome your Ioniq is, don't you?

And so he should be - they are an awesome car.

[Deleted User]

Efficiency isn't my main concern, and wouldn't tempt me either way, unless efficiency was horrible.

Not saying the Ioniq would not be my next car but if a more powerful more practical car was developed I'd choose that over any other.

unkel

I'm not sure how so many people here came to the conclusion that I think my Ioniq is an awesome car. The Hyundai Ioniq EV is a budget family size hatchback from Korea. It looks like it was made in Korea. It feels like it was made in Korea. It drives like it was made in Korea. Front wheel drive (which is not what a keen driver would want). Nothing special there. And particularly not for someone like myself being used to far superior cars (mainly from Germany) that are better in every way. Over the past 20 years I've owned many BMWs and Porsches. Now they are awesome cars.

I bought the Ioniq as our family car as it is very good value for money, it is (in my mind) by far the best proposition for an electric car available today. I paid €25k all in, on the road incl. metallic paint and I had a free home charge point installed. So far the car has done 1400km and it has cost me €0.40 in electricity. The Ioniq is a very well specced car too. And it is the first EV car of its size and budget to have a reasonable range (200-300km)

n97 mini

unkel wrote: »

Someone wondered if the new Leaf is going to be as efficient as the Ioniq. My opinion is it will not be. Do you believe I'm wrong?

And did you read my post? I did not criticise the Leaf but I did criticise the Ioniq (delivery)

Unless you have a crystal ball or work at Nissan R&D you don't know what the next Leaf will be like. Facing increased competition Nissan has all the motives it needs to develop a more efficient car.

Btw you do take digs at the Leaf quite regularly.