blanch152 wrote: » Game Face MCGee wrote: » I really can't get my head around this whole debate. I've no religious affiliation and I'm a father of 3 I can totally see why people want abortions, be it economic, not the right time, situational etc... I totally get why a woman would consider it as a solution. I'm logical in my though process. but I genuinely get a real pang or guilt or sadness when I think about the child/fetus (whatever side of the fence you sit) being terminated. I just cant shake it, and when people "celebrate" and are "overjoyed" about getting closer to legal abortion I just feel upset and think "how can you be so happy about this" not sure if I'm in the minority on this?? Yes, there most certainly is an element of hubris in the Repeal the 8th movement, just like there was in the same-sex marriage campaign. It does go over-the-top with the "celebrate" and "overjoyed". That disappoints, sickens and saddens me too. However, that doesn't mean their message is wrong. Like you, I am a father of 3. I will be voting to replace the 8th Amendment. It is a very stupid amendment which has caused huge problems both legally and socially. The sooner it is gone, the better. What should replace it? That is a matter for the Oireachtas to decide.
Game Face MCGee wrote: » I really can't get my head around this whole debate. I've no religious affiliation and I'm a father of 3 I can totally see why people want abortions, be it economic, not the right time, situational etc... I totally get why a woman would consider it as a solution. I'm logical in my though process. but I genuinely get a real pang or guilt or sadness when I think about the child/fetus (whatever side of the fence you sit) being terminated. I just cant shake it, and when people "celebrate" and are "overjoyed" about getting closer to legal abortion I just feel upset and think "how can you be so happy about this" not sure if I'm in the minority on this??
Woodville56 wrote: » That's what worries me - politicians will sell their souls for a Dail pension if they think theres votes in abortion , besides if a leftist group hold a balance of power in a future Dail and demand a liberal abortion regime, what chance FG/FF to oblige ? Already FG/FF/SF getting all mouthy about an early referendum. Mother of all divisive debate to follow
pilly wrote: » I think you definitely pointed out the blatantly obvious info, come on now. :rolleyes: Someone saying "people" does not signify 100% of the population. There was absolutely no need for you to point this out.
eviltwin wrote: » ... it's because I'm a parent that I'm pro choice. I want my daughter to have the opportunity to have full control of when she becomes a mother..
AtomicHorror wrote: » Game Face MCGee wrote: » I really can't get my head around this whole debate. I've no religious affiliation and I'm a father of 3 I can totally see why people want abortions, be it economic, not the right time, situational etc... I totally get why a woman would consider it as a solution. I'm logical in my though process. but I genuinely get a real pang or guilt or sadness when I think about the child/fetus (whatever side of the fence you sit) being terminated. I just cant shake it, and when people "celebrate" and are "overjoyed" about getting closer to legal abortion I just feel upset and think "how can you be so happy about this" not sure if I'm in the minority on this?? Probably not, but do you not think you're conflating some stuff here? We can feel sad for the necessity of a given abortion or abortions generally but be happy that women will no longer need to fear the intrusion of the state into their health and life.
infogiver wrote: » Pilly what would we do if we didn't have you to point out where we go wrong in our posting.
spakman wrote: » But a lot of people want abortions not only when it's a necessity, but when it's inconvenient for them to have a baby. I don't understand how people can square this in their conscience - they've wilfully ended the life of their child/foetus. I'm not at all religious but ethically, morally, that is just wrong.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » You say this as if those who are pro life have no regard for your daughter, but they do, and did so long before most of society began to. Let's not forget: most of those with pro choice beliefs would wish that it were legal for you to have been legally able to kill her, still her heartbeat and have her broken remains pulled from you and binned, and up to almost two thirds way through her development in your womb too. So while it's commendable that you want her empowered with a choice that you never had, in your own country at least, it's worth remembering that some of us had concern for her when she was at her most vulnerable and didn't feel that whether she lived or died should be at the mercy of another.
Akrasia wrote: » Outlaw Pete wrote: » You say this as if those who are pro life have no regard for your daughter, but they do, and did so long before most of society began to. Let's not forget: most of those with pro choice beliefs would wish that it were legal for you to have been legally able to kill her, still her heartbeat and have her broken remains pulled from you and binned, and up to almost two thirds way through her development in your womb too. So while it's commendable that you want her empowered with a choice that you never had, in your own country at least, it's worth remembering that some of us had concern for her when she was at her most vulnerable and didn't feel that whether she lived or died should be at the mercy of another. She was even more vulnerable when she was sperm travelling to the egg before fertilisation. There are millions of things that could have happened to stop a potential person from being born. The fact of our own birth is unbelievable if you think about how many circumstances had to have been just right. If I had never been born, someone else probably would have been born instead of me. (my parents planned my birth) By my being alive, I have robbed countless potential siblings from a potential existence.
spakman wrote: » Oh come on, a sperm or an egg on their own are not and cannot become a human being. But when the sperm has the fertilised the egg, it's a different story. You're right that there are many ways and reasons why that pregnancy may not be successful, but that's nature and not a wilful act. Abortion is very much a deliberate act to kill that foetus, so it's not comparable to a miscarriage!
infogiver wrote: » If you can get your head around the mental gymnastics required to detach yourself from what you are quite rightly describing as a "deliberate act to kill", then you could start to see this whole issue as the pro "choice" advocates do. I've established that it starts with perscapacity. You can't say "pro abortion " it has to be "pro choice " Your not having an abortion, your terminating a pregnancy. Even a 40 week gestation baby is a foetus. 24 weeks gestation babies are "clumps of cells". I'm too lazy for the mental gymnastics, me.
ricero wrote: » Liberals are trying to ruin this countries morality. I for one will not vote in abortion to be used as a easy fix for hussies who forget to use contraception
infogiver wrote: Pilly what would we do if we didn't have you to point out where we go wrong in our posting.
PopePalpatine wrote: » ricero wrote: » Liberals are trying to ruin this countries morality. I for one will not vote in abortion to be used as a easy fix for hussies who forget to use contraception I wonder if the "Pro-Repealers are shrill and callous" crowd will have a go at your post? Something tells me they won't.
A Little Pony wrote: » Fully agree. People don't like personal responsibility in society now. It's everyone else fault now.
farmer john8 wrote: » if the scumbag lefty liberals want to abort their own children they can go right ahead and jump on a ferry to the uk and on the way back jump off.they wont dictate to the ordinary decent people of
Akrasia wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » Fully agree. People don't like personal responsibility in society now. It's everyone else fault now. Yeah, let's punish irresponsible 'hussies' by forcing them to have a defenseless newborn baby to raise for the next 2 decades. That's a consistent world view
judeboy101 wrote: » Including FGM, prostitution and womb renting?
infogiver wrote: » If you are of sound mind and you want FGM for your minor daughter then you should be allowed?
infogiver wrote: » What about the body within their body?
me_right_one wrote: » Even if that means killing someone else's body?
AtomicHorror wrote: » IVF. How does IVF help a woman with an unwanted pregnancy?
