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selling milk direct from farm

farisfat

Dose anyone know someone pasteurising and selling milk direct from the farm.
Id say theirs alot of hoops to jump through to get up and running.

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BoatMad

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's a lady and her son producing lullaby milk in Kanturk it helps you sleep, they milk the cows at 2am to produce it. http://www.lullabymilk.com/

I rang her about maiden heifers one time a fine tough lady. I asked her over the phone how much she wanted for them she answered how much will you pay. I said around 700, Hmmm was the reply :rolleyes: I was told after that they only have middling enough cows.

as with all foods, there is a critical analysis

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/expert-answers/melatonin-side-effects/faq-20057874

one could always just buy a few melatonin tablets

( or snake oil )

BoatMad

farisfat wrote: »

Don't take mé up wrong boatmad.
The reasons wasn't lack of sales or margin which i thought would be the answer.

But some muppet with a pen.

thats what I said

but the fact remains that the muppet with a pen , is a fact of life and products that are subject to controls and regulations are just that .

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

as with all foods, there is a critical analysis

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/expert-answers/melatonin-side-effects/faq-20057874

one could always just buy a few melatonin tablets

( or snake oil )

After reading that i'd rather drink the milk.:)

BoatMad

pedigree 6 wrote: »

After reading that i'd rather drink the milk.:)

or avoid melatonin anyway in any form !!!

Base price

Oh how I would love to be able to buy raw milk locally in the shops here. I can buy it in my local supermarket in NCD in glass bottles that stay super cold in the fridge - like it was when I was a child.
We Irish are suckers for rules and regulations to the point that we are prepared to accept the status quo. Unfortunately we do not have the laissez faire attitude of the French.

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Milked once a day?
Or two tanks?

Middling depends on your viewpoint.
That cow that Charolais showed making 2700 wouldn't be my cup of tea at all yet someone else was willing to pay that.

Milked twice a day, I presume they use the 2am milk for lullaby. Middling not my view point, my ai man went to look at calves she had for sale and he said they weren't anything spectacular for the price she wanted for them

farisfat

BoatMad wrote: »

thats what I said

but the fact remains that the muppet with a pen , is a fact of life and products that are subject to controls and regulations are just that .

i'm sure the big operaters would use all their powers to keep a lid ón small operaters getting up and running.

BoatMad

Unfortunately we do not have the laissez faire attitude of the French.

who , on inspection and having lived there , complain like we do , but accept those self same rules just like we do to.

BoatMad

farisfat wrote: »

i'm sure the big operaters would use all their powers to keep a lid ón small operaters getting up and running.

I see no specific evidence of that

Lady Haywire

Base price wrote: »

Oh how I would love to be able to buy raw milk locally in the shops here. I can buy it in my local supermarket in NCD in glass bottles that stay super cold in the fridge - like it was when I was a child.
We Irish are suckers for rules and regulations to the point that we are prepared to accept the status quo. Unfortunately we do not have the laissez faire attitude of the French.

Fresh Today at the red cow Longford now stock it

BoatMad

I cant quite see the attraction of raw milk , even if I had plenty of it as a young'un , I have seen the evidence of what happens when raw milk is not up to standard

farisfat

BoatMad wrote: »

I cant quite see the attraction of raw milk , even if I had plenty of it as a young'un , I have seen the evidence of what happens when raw milk is not up to standard

And i think anyone selling it is leaving themselves open to a law suit when that happens.

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

I cant quite see the attraction of raw milk , even if I had plenty of it as a young'un , I have seen the evidence of what happens when raw milk is not up to standard

Who's going to sell substandard milk?

I know this subject on raw milk could and will go on till the cows come home.

If a farmer is not able to drink his/hers own herds milk then don't buy from them.

I'm bowing out now because this will go on and on.

Just to say that we're drinking our own milk here all our lives and never drank or produced substandard milk.

farisfat

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who's going to sell substandard milk?

I know this subject on raw milk could and will on go till the cows come home.

If a farmer is not able to drink his/hers own herds milk then don't buy from them.

I'm bowing out now because this will go on and on.

Just to say that we're drinking our own milk here all our lives and never drank or produced substandard milk.

How can you or anyone else tell when your cows have something underlying.

pedigree 6

farisfat wrote: »

How can you or anyone else tell when your cows have something underlying.

The milks tested.
The cows are tested.

BoatMad

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who's going to sell substandard milk?
.

or substandard beef ?,

Water John

Raw milk is a very niche market. Most small operators sell pastuerised non homogenised.

Look at the shelves in any shop. Look at the diff in price between branded and generic milk.
That gives some insight into customers.
It's not all about price.

farisfat

pedigree 6 wrote: »

The milks tested.
The cows are tested.

So is mine but how can any farmer be sure that their cows aren't going to come into contact with something at any time.

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

or substandard beef ?,

Now you're just stirring.:mad:

You know well enough that had nothing to do with the primary producer.

Water John

The Boat has veered off the water into the field.

BoatMad

Water John wrote: »

The Boat has veered off the water into the field.

Im multidexerious and being a rural lad, familiar with the issues ( I also wrote a lot of Agri-related and food related software systems back in the day and Ive been in virtually every food processor in the country ) ( hand I need never see another cheese plant again thanks )

I get around

BoatMad

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Now you're just stirring.:mad:

You know well enough that had nothing to do with the primary producer.

yeah ok, however after a decade of selling into the argi-bussiness, I have my views on the sanctity of producers.

ganmo

farisfat wrote: »

The farm is currently a spring calving herd...that woul have to change.

The plan would be to pasteurise,i dont think id chance selling whole milk.
Its only at the thinking stage at the moment......but when i get something into my héad i generally see it throigh.

1. don't change much on farm yet
2. go through what you'd need to buy to get going(including design work)
3. go through the costs per unit

pedigree 6

farisfat wrote: »

So is mine but how can any farmer be sure that their cows aren't going to come into contact with something at any time.

I can't speak for everyone who drinks raw milk.
They're big boys and girls they can think for themselves.

But personally I keep a closed herd and the vaccinations are all done and hygiene and everything that I can do to keep the milk as good as it can be is being done as I drink it at the end of the day and the beginning with the cornflakes.

It's my choice and am delighted to do so.

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

yeah ok, however after a decade of selling into the argi-bussiness, I have my views on the sanctity of producers.

You should be a farmer.
I can see the life agreeing with you.

kowtow

At a niche local level this is a growing market, but it is inherently limited.

Contrary to what some are saying here it is not a price issue, farm fresh milk is just what is says.. pasteurised but not homogenised, cream line milk, from a local farm. So the keyword is local.

We are equipped to pasteurise here and will probably sell some liquid milk, but I'd be cautious of it as a sideline to a mainstream herd. You might also want to check your Msa If you have one.

The big issue is the time and effort of marketing and delivery for a relatively small volume... and volume is self limiting because in the end people are paying a premium to buy from a known local farm... so the customer base, though loyal, is limited.

Pasteurising and bottling (and more to the point cleaning) adds a chunk to milkings and needs the same kind of careful thought as parlour design if it is to be foolproof.

Paperwork is boring of course but hardly the biggest problem.

Willfarman

https://m.facebook.com/pg/Fairfield-Farm-Fresh-Milk-311378459014284/about/

This lad is doing good. And it's popular with local hostelries.

Water John

That's good. however I note from it, that their milk seems to be noisy.

pedigree 6

Water John wrote: »

That's good. however I note from it, that their milk seems to be noisy.

Aloud!

Uh oh.:D

(Grammer Nazi)

Water John

I don't mind errors and misspelling in comments etc. Guilty myself, esp poor grammer. But in promo material it doesn't look good. Get some one to check it, before you upload.